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<
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monring
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* morning
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That's abuse of power
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YES! I'M A POWERTRIPPER! MUAHAHA!
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ughh I hate MRI 1.9.3
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Especially since starting up Pry takes 2 decades
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I can literally make tea in the time it takes for it to start up the first time
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<
Lennier >
hello guys
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<
Lennier >
i have a strange issue with a regex
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Lennier >
given is this string: <meta content=\"MSHTML 8.00.6001.18928\" name=\"GENERATOR\" /><p><strong>Lorem ipsum</strong>dolor sit amet.</p>
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<
Lennier >
and i want to delete the meta part
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<
Lennier >
html.gsub!(/<meta content=\\"MSHTML 8.00.6001.18928\\" name=\\"GENERATOR\\" \/>/i, '')
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apeiros >
Lennier: don't process html with regex.
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canton7-mac >
also, why regex?
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<
apeiros >
use an html processor, like nokogiri
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canton7-mac >
looks like a straight string substitution there
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apeiros >
>> "<meta content=\"MSHTML\">"
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apeiros >
Lennier: above contains no backslashes
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<
apeiros >
what you see is an inspect, so quotes are escaped.
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apeiros >
>> puts "<meta content=\"MSHTML\">"
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apeiros >
as you can see when you print it, instead of looking at the inspect.
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apeiros >
so /\\"/ does not match "\""
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apeiros >
but anyway, use nokogiri.
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Lennier >
ah thanks guys
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yorickpeterse >
lenoxe: NEVER
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<
yorickpeterse >
EVER
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<
yorickpeterse >
PARSE
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<
yorickpeterse >
HTML WITH REGEXP
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<
yorickpeterse >
errr shit
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<
yorickpeterse >
wrong one
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<
yorickpeterse >
Lennier <- this one
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<
Lennier >
yoricks post was meant to me :)
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lenoxe >
anyone hiring in toronto?
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yorickpeterse >
I think they might be hiring replacements for Rob Ford
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lenoxe >
no hes here to stay
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DEA7TH >
what's the difference between this channel and #ruby?
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chris2 >
this one was first :P
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DEA7TH >
they have the same purpose?
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whitequark >
yorickpeterse: I would even say, "NEVER EVER PARSE CFGs WITH FINITE AUTOMATA"
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: then nobody would know what the fuck you mean
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whitequark >
yorickpeterse: what do you mean? it's some of the most basic things you learn in CS.
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whitequark >
it's inconceivable that any significant number of professionals in the field, much less "nobody", would not be able to understand me.
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: yeah except the part where a lot of people know very little of CS and its terms
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yorickpeterse >
remember a lot of people are just web grunts
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yorickpeterse >
They speak HTML and IE6, not CS
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whitequark >
... and you blame me for not understanding sarcasm
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FiXato >
"I see dead browsers"
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whitequark >
I mean, you should have been alerted no later than "professionals". Professionals, AMIRITE, BRO?
*FISTBUMP*
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FiXato >
"The Sixth IE Sense
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: well
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yorickpeterse >
I am a professional yak shaver
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yorickpeterse >
Though today I'm mostly an acrobatic juggling multiple projects that shit themselves
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yorickpeterse >
which I can only blame on myself
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yorickpeterse >
and a little bit on the total lack of feedback from others, though mostly myself
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whitequark >
that's farming, not CS
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<
whitequark >
I mean, I do know a guy who would rather die under hooves of a 800-pound bull after attempting to castrate it rather than use mongodb
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yorickpeterse >
fuck you
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yorickpeterse >
This is not related to Mongo though, for a change
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whitequark >
that's so reassuring. I mean, you do blame everything on Mongo by default
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yorickpeterse >
true
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<
whitequark >
why do you even
*use* that
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yorickpeterse >
It sounded like a good idea 3 years ago
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apeiros >
whitequark: CFG? a .cfg file?
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whitequark >
apeiros: a context-free grammar
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yorickpeterse >
good thing HTML isn't context free though
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yorickpeterse >
ha take that
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whitequark >
yorickpeterse: it is?
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yorickpeterse >
Nop
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<
whitequark >
proof?
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yorickpeterse >
Because based on certain node types you have to lex/parse things differently, or at the least handle it with special care
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<
yorickpeterse >
Meaning you have to keep track of element names and perform a lookup if they're in that list, but
*only* when parsing HTML5
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yorickpeterse >
so <link href=""> is perfectly valid now
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yorickpeterse >
but <script src=""> is not
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whitequark >
I would think it's still CFG
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yorickpeterse >
It's perhaps not as bad as C++, but I wouldn't call it context free
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whitequark >
I mean, grammars as analyzed in theory don't deal with tokenization anyway. tokenization is a technique only required by LR(1) parsers
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whitequark >
because of that (1)
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yorickpeterse >
Another case is DTDs, they change the structure/ruling of the document
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yorickpeterse >
Though most, if not all, parsers completely ignore it unless you validate the document manually
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<
whitequark >
like, you can make a new <link> tag (that should not be terminated) by writing a DTD?
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yorickpeterse >
I don't think you can specify that in the DTD
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yorickpeterse >
but you
*can* specify that <foo> can only occur inside <bar>
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whitequark >
ok, then it is basically, imagine you create a separate token for every one of the void elements
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whitequark >
and duplicate all the rules with the modification that now it will terminate implicitly
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whitequark >
to suggest you a way you can wrangle that into your existing LR(1) parser--not in practice, but to prove that it's in the CFG domain
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whitequark >
I would honestly be very surprised if HTML5 falls into CSG.
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whitequark >
though if you count in all the quirksmode parsing, it definitely does fall into CSG
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_pooya >
I'm getting undefined method `user' for nil:NilClass when using mechanize.new.
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_pooya >
have any idea how to fix this?
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_pooya, worked ok for me; i'm guessing it's an rvm issue
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imperator: rvm specifically or general? because I'm using rbenv
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s/rvm/rbenv
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_pooya1: upgrade your net-http-persistent gem
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toretore: gem update net-http-persisten ?
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imperator >
ah,yes, i'm using 2.9.4
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imperator >
you've got 2.9.2
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_pooya1 >
imperator: tnx, wait please to check the solution
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imperator: I did two operations and it worked but it is not clear which one was the solution
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_pooya1 >
one of them was your solution
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_pooya1 >
and one of them was updating mechanize via "bundle update mechanize" as mentioned here
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imperator: but anyway, tnx for your solution :)
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toretore's solution was probably it
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anyway, you're welcome
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Guest95008 >
Hello!
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Guest95008 >
Anyone can help me installing ruby on a Mac OS??
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Guest95008 >
I have some problem installing it :)
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jhass >
doesn't ship it with it?
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but I want to update it to ruby-2.1.1
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Guest95008 >
I tried rvm, rbenv... and always the same error :/
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Guest95008 >
"dtrace: failed to compile script probes.d: Preprocessor not found"
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yorickpeterse >
Retweet would be nice so people actually get to see a serious tweet of mine instead of me just making Mongo / bear metal jokes
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Guest95008 >
anyone? :(
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yorickpeterse >
Guest95008: not an OS X user, but do you have Homebrew installed along with all the deps you'd need for Ruby?
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I tried it with Homebrew too, and I got the same error
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is dtrace installed?
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Guest95008 >
I think yes
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Guest95008 >
when I execute dtrace it works
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I try to find a solution but no info on internet about this :/
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glide >
Hey guys I'm stuck on a Ruby Koan. Can anyone help me out?
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yorickpeterse >
glide: don't ask to ask, just ask
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zenspider >
glide: which one?
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glide >
about_triangle_project_2, online version.
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Could you link to it?
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glide >
Yeah.
http://koans.heroku.com/en/about_triangle_project_2?input []=%23+You+need+to+write+the+triangle+method%0D%0A%0D%0Aclass+TriangleError+%3C+ArgumentError%0D%0Aend%0D%0A%0D%0Adef+triangle%28a%2C+b%2C+c%29%0D%0A%0D%0Aif+%28a+%3D%3D+0%29+||+%28b+%3D%3D+0%29+||+%28c+%3D%3D+0%29%0D%0Araise+TriangleError%0D%0Atriangle%280%2C+0%2C+0%29+%0D%0Aelsif+%28a+%3C+0%29+||+%28b+%3C+0%29+||+%28c+%3C+0%29%0D%0Araise+TriangleError%0D%0Atriangle%283%2C+4%2C+-5%29+%0D%0Ae
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lsif+%28c+%3E+a+%2B+b%29+||+%28a+%3E+b+%2B+c%29+||+%28b+%3E+a+%2B+c%29%0D%0Araise+TriangleError%0D%0Atriangle%281%2C+1%2C+3%29%0D%0Aend%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0Aif+%28a+%3D%3D+b%29+%26%26+%28a+%3D%3D+c%29%0D%0Areturn+%3Aequilateral%0D%0Aelsif+%28a+%3D%3D+b%29+||+%28a+%3D%3D+c%29+||+%28b+%3D%3D+c%29%0D%0Areturn+%3Aisosceles%0D%0Aelsif+%28%28a+!%3D+b%29+%26%26+%28a+!%3D+c%29+%26%26+%28b+!%3D+c%29%29%0D%0Areturn+%3Ascalene%0D%0Aend%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0Aif+a+%2B+b+%3D+c
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+||+b+%2B+c+%3D+a+||+a+%2B+c+%3D+b%0D%0Araise+TriangleError%0D%0Areturn+triangle%282%2C+4%2C+2%29%0D%0Aend%0D%0A%0D%0Aend
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yorickpeterse >
dayum dat link
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zenspider >
sweet jesus what was that?
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almost looks like a Google link
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glide >
Sorry guys!
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zenspider >
nope. that's totally broken
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glide >
Your link is probably fine, zenspider.
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zenspider >
so, what's the problem?
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glide >
I'm running into this weird problem.
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Well - the problem asks for two things: (a) 3 methods to characterize triangles, and (b) five exceptions
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glide >
I'm having some trouble completing the final exception, but I'm pretty sure my math is right.
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zenspider >
the 2/4/2 ?
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zenspider >
and your math?
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glide >
The weird part is when I move the part of the script that handles part (a) to the top, it works fine but (b) doesn't, and vice versa.
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glide >
This is my second approach, but here's what I came up with: if a + b = c || b + c = a || a + c = b raise TriangleError return triangle(2, 4, 2) end
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yorickpeterse: does ruby-lint work [properly] on project directories?
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glide >
Yeah I tried that too but ran into a problem. if a**2 + b**2 != c**2?
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gnufied >
it doesn't seem to recognize constants etc declared elsewhere
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glide: if you ran into a problem with pythagorean, then it is your code, not the formula.
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remember, c^2 needs to be the longest side
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What about the first code I put... Why doesn't that work? And any reason for the problem with the sequence I put them in? (a) before (b)
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zenspider >
well... for starters, it's just wrong. the math isn't correct. the ruby isn't correct either, but I assumed that was a typo re-entering it here
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zenspider >
'=' is assignment, for example
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'==' is comparison
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Oh man. It was the '==' that got me!
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Too many hours of coding... I might need a break.
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Thank you for your help, zenspider!
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zenspider, I submitted if (a + b == c) || (b + c == a) || (a + c == b) and it worked. Is there any reason the math is wrong there?
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yes, the math is just wrong. re-read the pythagorean wikipedia page.
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you want to detect a proper triangle and raise in all other cases. the code above only identifies straight (overlapping) lines
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Oh , ok. The Koan asked for a script that accomplished that small task so that's why I did it that way.
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zenspider: Do you have any recommendations for someone starting out learning Ruby (as a first language)?
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koans are good... tho that website seems really crufty. you can download and run them locally instead, which is prolly faster overall
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also like using project euler for learning new languages, but sometimes you get stuck on the math and not the language
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I always recommend writing real code to solve a real problem you actually have, that way you have a vested interest in finishing
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Yeah Koans online is kinda ugly. Heh. I had problems downloading and installing Rake so I gave up and continued online. I'm trying to work through them as fast as possible.
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I'm aware of Project Euler and plan to use that once I finish Koans, RubyMonk and maybe CodeAcademy or whatever else free Ruby lessors there are.
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what ruby are you using?
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`ruby -v`
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what rubygems are you using? `gem -v`
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What kind of program do you recommend I start with? All I can think about doing things with text.
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then `gem install rake` or `sudo gem install rake` is all you should need
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what OS are you on?
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centrx >
glide, You should use a newer version
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glide >
I'm on Ubuntu 12.04.
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glide >
centrx, I downloaded it this week. I would have thought I'd be up to date.
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zenspider >
no, he shouldn't. 1.8 is fine
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zenspider >
glide: then you prolly need the sudo version
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centrx >
glide, Ubuntu 12.04 is the "Long-Term Support" release, it is like 2010/2011
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zenspider >
doesn't matter for learning ruby via koans
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zenspider >
(or much of anything else at this point)
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glide >
Ok - seems like rake is installed now.
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glide >
What's the latest Ruby version?
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zenspider >
glide: awesome. you should be good to run the koans. they don't require much
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zenspider >
I think they're even test/unit, so you shouldn't need anything else
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zenspider >
other than a text editor of choice
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glide >
centrx, do you recommend I upgrade? I loaded Ubuntu 12.04 on my Lenovo as my first entry into Linux. Wasn't sure what version to get.
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zenspider >
spend your time learning ruby, not fucking around with linux packages
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glide >
zenspider, Thank you. I've already downloaded the koans so I have the files. I'll do the remainder of the class that way.
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zenspider >
I suspect you'll have to go work through them again, but it should be fast
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zenspider >
I dunno if the online stuff keeps your answers around
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centrx >
glide, The downside of upgrading is it is a distraction from what you are doing now
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glide >
zenspider, re: linux packages. yeah that's what I'm doing. I don't have time to figure out what is best.
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zenspider >
there is no best on linux. it's all dogma
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glide >
Yeah, I planned to switch to another distro a couple months ago but never got around to it and don't feel like it now.
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centrx >
glide, Depending on your goals, you will want to use a newer version of Ruby eventually.
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glide >
So Ubuntu is fine?
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zenspider >
fine enough to learn ruby, yeah
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centrx >
glide, Ubuntu is fine, the LTS support release is just old
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zenspider >
get to the point where you can express ideas out of your head into a text editor and you'll be good. anything else is a distraction from learning
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glide >
centrx, I just started learning Ruby this week but I'm trying to learn as fast as possible.
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glide >
zenspider, thanks for the tip.
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glide >
Any recommendations about what kind of program I should work on to start out?
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glide >
I was thinking about a program that downloaded a files online and compared the contents. Dunno...
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glide >
downloaded *files
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glide: something that improves your life. that'd be up to you to answer
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glide >
Heh, but in what form? I'd like to program a robot to cook my eggs but I'm not there yet.
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glide >
Is there a "genre" of program that you think someone like me is capable of now?
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zenspider >
baby steps :)
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zenspider >
I don't know you or your history. I can't answer that.
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glide >
Ok, thanks though :)
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zenspider >
get through the koans. find something repetitive you do > 5 minutes a day. automate it. the 60 minutes you spend automating it will pay off in 3 months. repeat.
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glide >
I don't understand how I can write a script that does things besides manipulate text. Any pointers?
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eam >
glide: grab any entry-level programming book or course material and complete all the problems
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workmad3 >
glide: also, a lot of useful stuff is text manipulation :)
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glide >
eam: I'm working on the fundamentals like SICP and I have the Pix Axe, etc, but I'm trying to figure out how to incorporate coding into my life.
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workmad3: Yeah...
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SICP will seriously fuck you up in a good way
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glide: all I know about you is that you're on IRC. An old standby is to write an IRC bot
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eam >
do it both with, and then without using frameworks
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I don't even know what a framework is :/ I'll figure it out though. Is it something that help your script interface with existing IRC software?
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yes, a module that handles the protocol and lets you just insert your own business logic
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glide: you can manipulate pretty much any kind of data... text is obvious. time. dates. shit you need to remember/do. detect your phone when you get home and make it turn on your lights. whatever.
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eam: interesting. I need to learn that. Is that related to "gems"
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zenspider, whoa that sounds awesome.
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balance your checkbook. detect that your plants need more nitrogen. @tenderlove has a controller that maintains the temperature and humidity in his "meat box" so he can make salami
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I've got a security system in my place I don't use. But it is wired up. I've been tempted to hook into it to sense when the doors are opened. might make my server "woof" when the door is open, just for fun.
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glide >
man, I want to get into programming robots. I hear the Lego kit is a good start.
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zenspider, cool!
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Hey guys. Do you all frequent Ruby Meetups?
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glide: I've been known to. :)
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tho we call it nerd party
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Haha. So you recommend that I attend them? There's a group in a nearby city...
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absolutely
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where are you?
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toronto has a number of them, iirc
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meetups are pretty good
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really depends on the group... but yeah.
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(and what you're looking for)
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glide >
Sorry I stepped away for a second. I'm between Philly and NY in the US.
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You're in CA?
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Seattle
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glide >
Cool. Has Spring hit there yet? Just starting to feel it here.
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retro|cz >
Is there any way how to get file by lines to avoid loading it into memory?
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Does each_line not do that?
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zenspider >
maybe you want turnpike hackers?
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retro|cz: ri IO.foreach
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glide >
I've heard of that group.
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retro|cz >
zenspider, ahh, thanks
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looks like turnpike is mostly JS?
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I'm sure there are others tho
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Are they well known? Lol
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no idea
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I just googled for NJ ruby groups
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zenspider >
trenton iirc
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glide >
There's a tech week happening in Philly next week. Should be interesting.
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zenspider, I'm heading out for dinner. It was nice talking to you. Thanks for the help and have a nice evening.
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have fun
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