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<pvbraga>
Just wondering, my company builder has a open job for RoR programmer (full Stack or part time). We are situated in Sao Paulo - Brazil. No problems to work with people from another country remotely. See the job description here: http://www.hirefive.com/jobdetails/1 You can also recommend someone! Thx
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<crankharder>
what happened to 2.1.1-p76 - was that a real thing and revoked?
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<darix>
crankharder: 2.1.2 is out
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<havenwood>
crankharder: 2.1.1 is still a real thing just it has been supplanted by 2.1.2 as latest stable
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<darix>
havenwood: i think he was more asking about that patch level release
<darix>
which is not there (anymore) on ruby-lang.org
<havenwood>
just the patch corresponding to 2.1.1
<havenwood>
crankharder: they moved to semantic versioning, so patch levels are there but no longer part of the ruby name
<havenwood>
crankharder: 2.1.1 *is* 2.1.1-p76
<havenwood>
darix: aha
<darix>
ok
<darix>
havenwood: thank you for the explaination
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<crankharder>
sweet, ty
<crankharder>
yay for semver
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<roelof>
Is Equelent Ruby a good book to learn ruby ?
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<roelof>
is this (Eloquent Ruby) a good book for a beginner to learn ruby ?
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<havenwood>
roelof: i've heard good things but not read it
<roelof>
havenwood: thanks
<roelof>
havenwood: or do you have "better" suggestions ?
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<havenwood>
roelof: i can't compare having not read Eloquent, but The Ruby Programming Language (sparrows on the cover) is quite good
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<roelof>
havenwood: thanks, I will also look at that one.
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<crankharder>
what happened to 2.1.1-p76 - was that a real thing and revoked?
<crankharder>
what happened to 2.1.1-p76 - was that a real thing and revoked?
<crankharder>
what happened to 2.1.1-p76 - was that a real thing and revoked?
<crankharder>
what happened to 2.1.1-p76 - was that a real thing and revoked?
<jhass>
crankharder: time to fix your client...
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<apeiros>
crankharder: it is still a real thing and no it was not revoked.
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<jhass>
he asked that a couple of hours ago already and was answered, that looks more like a client problem
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<zenspider>
ari-_-e: very fragile and unintuitive? poppycock
<ari-_-e>
nope
<zenspider>
amazing defense. you have me convinced.
<whitequark>
says someone who allegedly wrote a ruby parser
<zenspider>
I'll go change all my gems because it's all fragile and unintuitive
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<zenspider>
whitequark: allegedly? really?
<ari-_-e>
optional parentheses are perl disease
<whitequark>
zenspider: unintuitive, I don't know; but fragile it surely is. just count the number of special cases required to make it work
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<whitequark>
parse.y is *still* being fixed for bugs introduced a decade ago
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<zenspider>
whitequark: I mostly count the number of special cases because they used an LR definition and didn't factor it at all (tho that part is getting a tad better)
<whitequark>
better, seriously? how does introducing *yet another* state to the lexer makes it better?
<whitequark>
I disagree about "it's just LR" argument
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<zenspider>
but you said I ALLEGEDLY write a parser. I take offense
<whitequark>
it's simply not possible to write a working highlighter for ruby for a text editor, for example
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<zenspider>
tho maybe you alleged that it is a ruby parser. not that I wrote it.
<whitequark>
(no, including a parser in a text editor is unfeasible for performance reasons; tokenizing is slow enough)
* whitequark
sighs
<whitequark>
what I really meant was "this is a very odd remark for someone who spent countless nights fixing the damn parser."
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<zenspider>
my highlighter works ok. granted... it uses ruby :)
<whitequark>
well, take a look at, say, sublime
<zenspider>
and honestly, matz's still works ok. just futzs the indentation periodically
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<whitequark>
even though sublime recognizes *more* than a typical highlighting engine does (it allows you to specify some CFGs in the rules), it still breaks
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<ari-_-e>
I'm still waiting for a formal specification of ruby's syntax
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<zenspider>
I need more coding music. :/
<whitequark>
ari-_-e: there's one in the ruby iso standard
<zenspider>
(for 1.8)
<ari-_-e>
^
<whitequark>
although I'm frankly not sure if it's complete. seems like it omits several very important parts, to me
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<whitequark>
I don't think it's possible to implement a parser that recognizes exactly same set of inputs as ruby's, based on just that spec
<zenspider>
I only glossed over it. I don't think it was complete. but they never published a final version, just a draft, right?
<whitequark>
they did, of course
<whitequark>
I have the full version bought
<zenspider>
hrm. I thought it never went through full ratification
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<whitequark>
can't find where I put the pdf...
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<whitequark>
aha, found it
<whitequark>
watermarked, bleargh
<whitequark>
INTERNATIONAL
<whitequark>
STANDARD
<whitequark>
First edition
<whitequark>
ISO/IEC
<whitequark>
30170
<whitequark>
2012-04-15
<whitequark>
seems ratified to me.
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