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why does Date.strptime("2014:26", "%Y:%V") == Wed, 01 Jan 2014
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where: %V - Week number of the week-based year (01..53)
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and since that doesn't work, thoughts on getting a date instance for a given week number?
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crankharder: well I'm guessing because week 26 has 7 days in it, so it doesn't make any sense for parsing, only strftime
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you could probably just add n*7 days to start of year
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ugh, not for iso 8601 you can't. ew.
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>> Date.strptime("2007W47","%GW%V").to_s
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>> require 'date'; Date.strptime("2007W47","%GW%V").to_s
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bnagy >
crankharder: looks like it's just super fussy :<
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oic.. need to use %G for week-based year maybe
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>> require 'date'; [Date.strptime("2014:26","%G:%V").to_s, Date.strptime("2014:26","%Y:%V").to_s]
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woo, ty :)
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np, I had no idea what I was doing I just wailed on irb for a bit
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bnagy >
I don't usually do web stuff. I need a jsonrpc client and looked at jimson because it seemed popular on google
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bnagy >
if anyone has personal experiences for / against it those would possibly be useful to me :)
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morning
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rrdpb >
Hello, i have a problem with ruby-rrd on OpenBSD-5.5
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rrdpb >
i explain, in 5.4, i have version of ruby-rrd : 1.2.30 and in 5.5, i have version 1.4.8
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rrdpb >
and my app crash
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rrdpb >
how can i reach rrd old version ?
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Assuming you use bundler you'd just add the version to it
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gpg_ >
hello i have wathced ryan bates screencast on pry, but when trying to call pry inside method it doesnt work
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gpg_ >
i want to inspect local variables to a method
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oddmunds >
you should be able to do that
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gpg_ >
i put binding.pry before method
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gpg_ >
then when pry is invoked at runtime
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oddmunds >
you should do it in the method, shouldn't you?
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gpg_ >
i edit method and put binfing.pry inside method
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gpg_ >
the call method by name
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gpg_ >
and get error
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<
oddmunds >
have you "require 'pry'"?
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<
oddmunds >
you should try asking about this in #pry
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vick_ >
Is there any good Unicode library for Ruby? Normalization, UCA, casefold etc. ('Unicode' gem doesn't seem to have any real collation routines)
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vick_ >
I guess there isn't.
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* yorickpeterse
is writing Java again
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<
yorickpeterse >
HashMap<Foo, Bar> foo; ...; this.foo = new HashMap<Foo, Bar>(); // WET at its finest
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* ledestin
is taking a Go tour
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<
yorickpeterse >
omg does it have generics?
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* yorickpeterse
runs
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<
ledestin >
quite entertaining
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<
ledestin >
don’t know yet
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* matti
see Rob Pike's wrath being unleashed upon yorickpeterse
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<
matti >
ledestin: It does not ;p He was just cheeky ;]
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<
matti >
ledestin: People complain that it does not have generics (among other things).
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yorickpeterse >
bro it's not an actual language until it has generics
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<
yorickpeterse >
and cryptic compiler errors
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<
matti >
And compiles for 8 h.
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<
matti >
I am just waiting for isrubyrewritteningoyet.com
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<
ledestin >
this Go love of capital letters makes my fingers hurt
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matti >
ledestin: CamelCase is OK.
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<
apeiros >
matti: what did I miss? (Rob Pike)
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<
maloik >
>> 'forgot the name of this thing'
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<
maloik >
eval.in, right
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matti >
apeiros: Ah nothing. yorickpeterse making fun of Go ;]
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maloik >
Is the source for that bot online somewhere? I'm going to put it into our hipchat bot
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<
maloik >
if eval-in has an api at least
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<
yorickpeterse >
maloik: no, charliesome keeps it private
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<
maloik >
what's cinch?
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<
yorickpeterse >
Ruby IRC bot/library
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<
maloik >
ah yes, found it
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<
maloik >
it's not cinch but I can definately use that code
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<
whitequark >
matti: the speed of compilation in Go is merely an implementation choice... say, gccgo would be comparable to C
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<
yorickpeterse >
java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap
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<
yorickpeterse >
blegh
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<
yorickpeterse >
private static ConcurrentHashMap<Foo,Bar> = new ConcurrentHashMap<Foo,Bar>(); // GENERICS, OMG
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<
yorickpeterse >
I miss Ruby
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<
yorickpeterse >
hash = {} # boom done
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<
yorickpeterse >
though it's not thread-safe
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lele|w >
join #intercom
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<
milo__ >
Hi, i get this error : "/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/i386-openbsd/RRD.so: Cannot load specified object" ; with rrdtool-1.4.8 ; any idea ?
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<
rezident_ninja >
howdy :)
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<
rezident_ninja >
anyone feeling gracious for a method arguments question?
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<
whitequark >
yorickpeterse: yeah, done, and then you pull NoMethodErrors: undefined method blah for nil:NilClass for the rest of your life
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<
whitequark >
milo__: try doing $ file /usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/i386-openbsd/RRD.so and comparing it to other shared objects on your system
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<
yorickpeterse >
whitequark: that has nothing to do with Hash
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<
yorickpeterse >
whitequark: and everything with NilClass
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<
whitequark >
yorickpeterse: it has everything to do with lack of type system...
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<
yorickpeterse >
... no
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<
yorickpeterse >
It has to do with there being a null/nil type
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<
yorickpeterse >
A type system doesn't save you from nullpointers/nil values/etc
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<
yorickpeterse >
See: C, Java, etc
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<
whitequark >
it does
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<
whitequark >
if it's a good one. see: any ML-like one
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<
whitequark >
rust, ocaml, haxe, etc, etc
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<
yorickpeterse >
"type system" != "good type system"
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<
whitequark >
thank you, capn obvious
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<
yorickpeterse >
You started it :>
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<
rezident_ninja >
whitequark wouldn't "good type systems" just imply null-behavior objects instead of null pointers?
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<
whitequark >
rezident_ninja: it would imply non-nullable references, in the first place
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<
whitequark >
(because there's no reason for them to be nullable. the very guy who invented them deeply regrets the fact)
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<
rezident_ninja >
sure. prehaps I didn't phrase that well. this implies to me that you cannot declare a variable without assigning a value to it.
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<
whitequark >
no reason to do that as well
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<
whitequark >
there is no need to have such an entity as "declared but unassigned variable" in the language semantics
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<
rezident_ninja >
true
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<
rezident_ninja >
I think I'm too tired to have jumped into that convo :)
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<
rezident_ninja >
unrelatedly, anyone know how I can define a method that takes arguments and a block/lambda/proc, and pass the arguments to the proc/block/lambda?
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<
rezident_ninja >
can't find any good examples
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<
whitequark >
def f(*args, &block) block.(*args) end
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<
whitequark >
or even def f(*args) yield(*args) end
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<
rezident_ninja >
I feel like I tried that. lemme try again
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<
rezident_ninja >
and if I want the block to take another arg, I could do block(other_arg, *args) ?
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<
whitequark >
block.(, but yes
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<
rezident_ninja >
sorry, I didn't parse that.
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<
whitequark >
block.(other_arg, *args)
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<
whitequark >
.( is shorthand for .call(
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<
rezident_ninja >
ah
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<
rezident_ninja >
well, I'm doing that, it complains about a syntax error
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<
rezident_ninja >
expected ) instead of ,
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<
rezident_ninja >
(that being block.call(other_arg, *args))
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<
whitequark >
ruby version?
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<
rezident_ninja >
1.9.3. but I can run 2.0.0
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<
whitequark >
1.9.3 is fine
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<
whitequark >
19>> block = method(:p); block.(1, *[2,3,4])
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<
rezident_ninja >
strangely that loads ok in 2.0.0
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<
whitequark >
well it works in 1.9.3 as well, see above
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<
rezident_ninja >
probably should have put the zlib require in that, sorry
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<
rezident_ninja >
oh, what hte hell. I must have typo'ed/mis-copied something you wrote. it's working in 1.9.3 now. sorry for the trouble.
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rezident_ninja >
whitequark, thanks :)
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<
yorickpeterse >
GUYS I HAVE A GREAT IDEA
14:04
<
yorickpeterse >
LETS WRITE JAVA
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<
yorickpeterse >
AND USE FACTORIES
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<
yorickpeterse >
ON CLASS LEVEL
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<
yorickpeterse >
Who needs threading anyway
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<
yorickpeterse >
grrrr Java
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<
yorickpeterse >
%s/static //g # lets see if this works
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<
apeiros >
RantFactory.create(PeopleFactory.create(YORICK_PETERSE)).randomRantsIterator
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14:05
<
yorickpeterse >
get off my lawn
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<
yorickpeterse >
Bah, I'm not even going to bother refactoring this
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<
yorickpeterse >
I'll just steal the training data/models and re-do it in Ruby at some point
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<
DefV >
yorickpeterse: that's what most people say 3 months before they are sent to the asylum
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<
yorickpeterse >
Joke's on you, I'm already in one
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<
DefV >
Yes. Joke's on me...
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<
yorickpeterse >
I was a comedian in my previous life
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<
apeiros >
installing oracle instant client
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<
apeiros >
always such a joy
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<
yorickpeterse >
feels ya pain
14:12
* apeiros
❤️ working with oracle software
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<
apeiros >
it's such a premium experience
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<
centrx >
Oracle is a virus
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<
apeiros >
I can feel how they had the comfort and joy of the users at the very core of their hearts when creating this
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<
yorickpeterse >
apeiros: banks are users too
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<
apeiros >
excuse me while I go vomit
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<
yorickpeterse >
at least in Oracle's case
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<
monkey171 >
can someone help me?
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<
monkey171 >
i am a beginner
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<
centrx >
Ask and you shall receive
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<
monkey171 >
puts 'Nonna sorda:' frase = '' while frase != 'CIAO' frase = gets.chomp while frase != frase.upcase puts 'NON SENTO' frase = gets.chomp if frase == frase.upcase puts 'NO, NO NEL ' + (rand(21)+1930).to_s + '!' end end end puts 'CIAO BEDDO!'
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<
centrx >
monkey171, Use gist.github.com
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<
maloik >
you haven't asked yet
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<
monkey171 >
yes i do mate :(
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<
monkey171 >
it reapeats only one time
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<
monkey171 >
"NO IT WAS .."
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<
monkey171 >
and if u continue with caps
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<
monkey171 >
it does not respond
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<
monkey171 >
answer*
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ledestin >
monkey171: you’re using 2 loops, use 1
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<
monkey171 >
this is my first "program"
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<
monkey171 >
howdo i do?
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ledestin >
monkey171: use `next'
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ledestin >
monkey171: I could rewrite it for you, but I think it’ll be better if you do it yourself
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<
monkey171 >
thank you :D
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<
jhass >
monkey171: are you sure that's your program? because it's invalid
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<
jhass >
puts 'CAN'T HEAR' doesn't work
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<
jhass >
(mismatched quoting)
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<
monkey171 >
i translated it from italian it was not an error, you know
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monkey171 >
this was an exercise from a tutorial
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<
monkey171 >
i just know basics and if/else/while
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<
jhass >
puts 'NO, NO NEL ' + (rand(21)+1930).to_s + '!' # don't write this, write this instead: puts "NO, NO NEL #{rand(21)+1930}!"
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<
apeiros >
with a modern ruby, rand(1930..1950)
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<
apeiros >
less people who make an off-by-one mistake with that :)
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<
monkey171 >
thanks mates :D
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jhass >
monkey171: it also helps to properly indent
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<
monkey171 >
i got also a question, ruby can communicate with other programs (like cheats for pinball or something basical)?
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jhass >
that mostly depends on the interface other programs provide
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ericwood >
monkey171: that's up to the other program!
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ericwood >
IPC isn't really standard at all
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jhass >
but in theory you can communicate with any interface another program may provide
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ericwood >
are you trying to send another program by sending it keystrokes, etc.?
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monkey171 >
I think yes i have no idea about how this works but i just was dreaming about something funny i can do when i 'll learn it
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ericwood >
monkey171: I'd start with something else but hey, reach for the stars
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monkey171 >
sounds like it is a good way to start with, isn't it?
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jhass >
seems to have a good reputation
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jhass >
saw people recommending it
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monkey171 >
yes, i know but i m locked to flows so :(
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monkey171 >
and i can't understand 'next' idk
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jhass >
If I got your intention right you don't need next to solve it
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jhass >
next is simple though, it just jumps back to the top of your current loop (evaluating the condition first)
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jhass >
monkey171: as I said, 1) fix up your indentation 2) you don't need it to solve the problem if I read the intention correctly
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monkey171 >
fixed it, thank you! ^^
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jhass >
you still didn't fix your indentation :(
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monkey171 >
i did it man
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monkey171 >
it is working
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monkey171 >
yea but, is it importnat?
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monkey171 >
oh wow didn't know it
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jhass >
not for ruby, but for you and other people reading your code
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monkey171 >
thank you for info next time i ll be more orderly
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monkey171 >
cya bye, and thank you!
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whitequark >
I'm now convinced that whoever maintains 2.0 and 2.1 branches is incompetent
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whitequark >
#9308 was backported, and as a result different patchlevels of 2.0.0 accept different syntax.
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whitequark >
and #9726, which is almost exactly same thing, was
*not* backported
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darix >
whitequark: did you bring it up on ruby-core already?
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whitequark >
darix: too late
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darix >
well it still needs to be fixed no?
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whitequark >
it's already released
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whitequark >
you can't unrelease a version
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whitequark >
though this would in my view be appropriate
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darix >
bring it up anyway
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darix >
maybe they release a new version with the reverted change
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whitequark >
that would just make the matter worse
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whitequark >
besides, it wasn't an accident
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darix >
in any case... ruby-core is the better place to argue this than #ruby-lang imho
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whitequark >
I'm not arguing, I'm complaining that the maintainers can't do their job.
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whitequark >
for all I know about ruby-core, arguing would be useless.
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matti >
It's hopeless then.
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whitequark >
oh, #9726 was backported too, just not released yet. and #9308 is in 1.9.3, but #9728 is not in 1.9.3
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whitequark >
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
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sunaku >
perhaps they're still getting used to semantic versioning
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whitequark >
it doesn't matter if it's semantic or not. you don't change accepted syntax between patchlevels
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It might be semantic, just not semver. It'd definitely be super confusing.
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sunaku >
if they're not told about this, it'll only repeat in the future
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yorickpeterse >
sunaku: there's no semantic versioning in Ruby's versioning scheme
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yorickpeterse >
It's pretty much the same crap as before minus the patchlevels
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yorickpeterse >
2.X -> 3.X: happens once every 10 years
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yorickpeterse >
2.X -> 2.Y: shit will break
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yorickpeterse >
2.X.Y -> 2.X.Z: shit
*might* break
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whitequark >
fuck it.
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whitequark >
oh lol the backport doesn't even work properly
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whitequark >
because it relies on another backport which is not there and probably won't be
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yxhuvud >
sounds like it is time to file a less than happy bug about it?
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whitequark >
I simply no longer use ruby for new stuff anymore. but I still have to maintain parser
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amigo99 >
given a patch version (2.0.0-p481), is there a way to find out which ruby svn/git commit it points to?
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yxhuvud >
there is a changelog. I believe it has the refs for that
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whitequark >
there's tags, like v2_0_0_481
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whitequark >
and git commits refer to svn commits
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amigo99 >
ah, the tags is helpful
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centrx >
cddr, It is probably referring to some kind of cache miss rate
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cddr >
Thanks centrx, I figured it out by looking at the source
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amigo99 >
cddr: so what was the prob?
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amigo99 >
i mean what does it mean?
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cddr >
I think it just means there's lots of GC going on
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cddr >
I'm going to try running with the allocation profiler to see if that shows some unecessary GC
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cddr >
To be clear, I don't think it's a problem with stackprof, just a property of our code
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amigo99 >
the code says, overall_samples is incremented even when in gc
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amigo99 >
if (rb_during_gc()) _stackprof.during_gc++, _stackprof.overall_samples++;
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dostoyevsky >
Any ideas why File.read() supports "| command"/pipes and File.open() does not?
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whitequark >
File.read does?
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whitequark >
wow, that sounds horrible
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cddr >
missed_rate = 100*missed_samples/missed_samples+samples
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cddr >
overall_samples is only incremented during gc
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cddr >
overall_signals is incremented for every signal
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cddr >
missed_samples = overall_signals - overall_samples
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cddr >
maybe I had it the wrong way around
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Mon_Ouie >
It definitely doesn't
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Mon_Ouie >
Errno::ENOENT: No such file or directory @ rb_sysopen - test | cat
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whitequark >
> File.read("| echo foo")
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whitequark >
=> "foo\n"
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whitequark >
it's an obscure syntax stemming from sendmail or something
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yorickpeterse >
wtf
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dostoyevsky >
whitequark: It's in the documentation of IO. right on top
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Mon_Ouie >
Nice way to run arbitrary code on a machine running a ruby program
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dostoyevsky >
* A plain string represents a filename suitable for the underlying operating system.
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dostoyevsky >
* A string starting with "|" indicates a subprocess. The remainder of the string following the "|" is invoked as a process with appropriate input/output channels connected to it.
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ohsix >
actually might be tcl
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ohsix >
there are quite a few things that work the same way
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whitequark >
yes, hence my wondering where it originated
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yorickpeterse >
I wonder if drugs were involved
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ohsix >
hrm perl and tcl have a similar age
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ohsix >
would be work to find out
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Hightower >
I'm currently learning ruby
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Hightower >
Getting a bit worried of the "Ruby is dead" posts I keep seeing
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Hightower >
Hoping someone here can tell me it's very much alive
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Mon_Ouie >
>> puts "Still alive!"
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Mon_Ouie >
Looks like it still works
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hm, already left
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yorickpeterse >
which should say at least a bit on its own
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<
sunaku >
whitequark: yorickpeterse: i'd imagine that at least matz would hear you out
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ericwood >
nah he's too busy being awesome
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hmm, how about our english-native ruby devs like tenderlove?
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(not that he isn't awesome)
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oh well, here's hoping for the best
*sigh*
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