#ruby-lang on 2014-06-17 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-05-09 04:45 apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com

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02:23 <redgetan> hi, anyone knows what this line mean in https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/v2_1_2/parse.y#L10550

02:23 <redgetan> what does it mean when id < tLAST_TOKEN

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04:52 <stardiviner> For example, I have a line of code: 10.downto(7).with_index {|num, index| puts "#{index}: #{num}"} . I want to check out the help document of the method "with_index", then how to do that?

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04:55 <havenwood> stardiviner: You mean like in irb or pry?

04:55 <akerl> http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.0.0/Enumerator.html ?

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04:55 <havenwood> http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Enumerator.html#method-i-with_index

04:55 <stardiviner> havenwood: in irb or pry, or In Emacs etc

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04:57 <havenwood> stardiviner: In Pry for example you can `show-doc 10.downto(7).with_index` or `?` is a short alias for `show-doc`.

04:57 <havenwood> stardiviner: to figure out where the `with_index` method is from, you can: find-method with_index

04:57 <stardiviner> havenwood: why show-doc with_index is invalid?

04:58 <stardiviner> havenwood: Is there more tricks on this find doc and locate methods/class/module etc?

05:00 <havenwood> stardiviner: show-doc Enumerator#with_index

05:00 <havenwood> stardiviner: did you take a look at `find-method with_index` that i mentioned above?

05:01 <stardiviner> havenwood: I did a test on `find-method with_index' now, seems work when I don't know Enumerator#

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05:03 <havenwood> stardiviner: or in `irb` you could type `help` then `with_index`

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05:05 <havenwood> stardiviner: or i guess in Pry: ri with_index

05:06 <stardiviner> havenwood: both of `help with_index` and `ri with_index` in Pry failed.

05:06 <havenwood> stardiviner: `help` for docs is irb only

05:07 <havenwood> stardiviner: i'd have expected `ri with_index` to work, works for me - maybe you don't have ri docs installed

05:07 <stardiviner> havenwood: Is ri-docs a gem?

05:07 <havenwood> stardiviner: `find-method` with `show-doc` should be fine :)

05:08 <stardiviner> havenwood: yes.

05:08 <havenwood> stardiviner: here's a post on ri: http://www.jstorimer.com/blogs/workingwithcode/7766081-5-reasons-you-should-use-ri-to-read-ruby-documentation

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05:09 <stardiviner> havenwood: wow, this tutorial looks complete. Great.

05:09 <havenwood> stardiviner: `ri` isn't a gem, it's a binary that ships with ruby, like `gem`, `irb` and `ruby`

05:10 <stardiviner> havenwood: Then where do I install ri-docs ?

05:11 <havenwood> stardiviner: how'd you install Ruby?

05:11 <stardiviner> havenwood: I install in Ubuntu with apt-get ruby1.9 ruby2.0 and also install with rvm install ruby2.0

05:12 <havenwood> stardiviner: I think RVM has `rvm docs generate-ri`.

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05:12 <havenwood> stardiviner: looks like apt has a separate package for ri

05:13 <havenwood> stardiviner: sudo apt-get install ri1.9 ri2.0

05:13 <stardiviner> havenwood: maybe is the package ruby2.0-doc

05:14 <stardiviner> havenwood: Thanks again, I asked all my questions. I will do the rest part with search.

05:15 <havenwood> stardiviner: happy hacking!

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08:54 <yorickpeterse> well, TIL ActiveRecord is not thread-safe it seems

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08:56 <yorickpeterse> "NoMethodError: undefined method `reverse' for nil:NilClass" out of the blue, once in a while

08:56 <yorickpeterse> Though I'm not sure yet if it's a thaerdngi issue

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09:03 <apeiros> yorickpeterse: afaik there's a method to force it to thread-safety

09:03 <apeiros> i.e. it's optionally thread-safe

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09:05 <yorickpeterse> wat

09:06 <yorickpeterse> "optionally thread-safe" you mean a giant lock around everything?

09:06 <DefV> thaerdngi?

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09:07 <DefV> yes, got it

09:07 <DefV> stupid trdginhae

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09:11 <yorickpeterse> weeee, another day, another daemon ready to go into production

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09:19 <matti> yorickpeterse: It has to be a very scary server.

09:19 <matti> yorickpeterse: So many daemons.

09:19 <matti> yorickpeterse: Needs some exorcism.

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09:21 <yorickpeterse> oh we've got that too

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09:21 <yorickpeterse> This newest daemon is aptly called "shepherd"

09:22 <matti> Ah.

09:22 <yorickpeterse> basically it just does some status reporting

09:22 <matti> Glad you got that covered ;s

09:22 <matti> yorickpeterse: :)

09:22 <yorickpeterse> of all the things we could improve metrics we have plenty

09:23 <yorickpeterse> Will be adding some more CPU metrics today as well

09:23 <matti> yorickpeterse: Written in Ruby?

09:23 <yorickpeterse> MOAR METRICS

09:23 <yorickpeterse> yush

09:23 <yorickpeterse> all of it

09:23 <matti> Ohh poor heap memory.

09:23 <yorickpeterse> I'll have none of that stinkin' JS

09:23 <yorickpeterse> actually the heap is fine

09:23 <yorickpeterse> we're on 2.1.2 and I've already tweaked the GC/heap

09:24 <matti> Is 2.1 still not releasing heap back once it grows?

09:24 <yorickpeterse> This new daemon has an average heap of 5MB so far

09:24 <matti> 5 MB?!

09:24 <matti> ;D

09:24 <yorickpeterse> 2.1.2 improves things a bit but it's still meh out of the box

09:24 <matti> This is a Go re-write, clearly ;p

09:24 <yorickpeterse> at least not as bad as 2.1.1

09:24 * matti hides

09:24 <yorickpeterse> I'd rather have some heap bloat than no error handling :P

09:25 <matti> You can heave heap bloat due to error handling too!

09:25 <matti> ;D

09:25 <matti> Exceptions are objects too!

09:25 <matti> ;D

09:25 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/djberg96/sys-cpu/blob/ffi/lib/sys/linux/sys/cpu.rb#L10 great...

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09:26 <yorickpeterse> I guess a constant was too mainstream

09:26 <matti> Hahah

09:27 <matti> Holy crap.

09:27 <matti> I would not install this gem ;s

09:27 <DefV> boy, that code...

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09:29 <yorickpeterse> euh, the code isn't that bad

09:29 <yorickpeterse> A bit old school perhaps, but beyond that global variable it doesn't scare me

09:29 <matti> Famous last words.

09:30 <matti> "We've had this little variable, you see... and it did things, you see..."

09:30 <matti> ;D

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09:30 <yorickpeterse> meh, might just fork it and get rid of the gvar

09:31 <yorickpeterse> First need to see if it does everything my heart desires

09:31 <matti> Your heart's desiers are pretty simple then ;p

09:32 * matti throws some /proc/sys parsing at yorickpeterse

09:32 <matti> Now, you are in love with me.

09:32 <matti> Admit it.

09:32 * matti hides

09:32 <matti> Ehh.

09:32 <matti> Feels like Monday today.

09:33 <maloik> it's not? oh snap

09:33 <yorickpeterse> I already did my fair share of /proc parsing

09:33 <yorickpeterse> honestly /proc is pretty sweet

09:33 <yorickpeterse> The formats are a bit odd at times but it beats having to us `ps` and the likes

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09:36 <matti> yorickpeterse: Proc should die in hellfire.

09:36 <matti> yorickpeterse: /sys is the new sissy kid.

09:37 <yorickpeterse> Fuck that, /sys is worse

09:37 <yorickpeterse> I can never remember where the heck I have to look to find something

09:37 <yorickpeterse> "oh it's in /sys/cpu/foo/bar/baz/cpu0/something/stats"

09:39 <matti> I remember Ruby's IO#read being upset with /proc ;]

09:39 <matti> Heheh.

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09:39 <matti> Ya had to do good 'ol cat ...

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09:43 <yorickpeterse> https://github.com/djberg96/sys-cpu/pull/4 off we go

09:43 <yorickpeterse> Now to wait for the "WONTFIX"

09:43 <jammanbo> In regexes, it's not possible to use a non-capturing group as a back-reference is it? I need to make a back-reference but don't really want to actually capture the thing being referenced.

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09:44 <apeiros> jammanbo: eh? back-references are not capturing groups

09:44 <apeiros> ah

09:45 <apeiros> sorry, misread

09:45 <apeiros> yes, you need to capture

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09:47 <jammanbo> k

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09:51 <matti> yorickpeterse: "NOCLUEWONTFIXKTHXBYE"

09:52 <matti> yorickpeterse: If you can be arsed.

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09:52 <matti> yorickpeterse: Sigar offers a lot of systems-related metricks.

09:52 <matti> yorickpeterse: But is a third-part C library/project.

09:52 <matti> yorickpeterse: So ffi or bindings for ya.

09:52 <matti> yorickpeterse: But, IIRC there is a nice Ruby gem wrapping it too.

09:53 <matti> yorickpeterse: Puppet Labs's Facter used to use it, I think. Or maybe still does. Ohai used too.

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09:54 <matti> yorickpeterse: https://support.hyperic.com/

09:54 <matti> yorickpeterse: Not sure whether is any good these days.

09:54 <matti> yorickpeterse: I mean this -> http://sigar.hyperic.com/

09:55 <yorickpeterse> hmmm

09:55 <yorickpeterse> Hm, last release in 2012

09:56 <yorickpeterse> meh, this will do for now

09:56 <yorickpeterse> I really only need CPU load averages

09:56 <matti> That's like a one-liner.

09:56 <matti> Come on man.

09:56 <yorickpeterse> except it has to run on Linux, Unix and OS X

09:56 <yorickpeterse> and OS X never heard of /proc

09:57 <yorickpeterse> Hm, probably could do it with FFI

09:57 <surrounder> bsd neither!

09:57 <yorickpeterse> meh, I'll use this for now because lazy

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09:57 <matti> yorickpeterse: https://github.com/threez/ruby-vmstat

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10:00 <matti> yorickpeterse: There is only one true OS.

10:00 <matti> yorickpeterse: -> Ultrix

10:00 <matti> ;d

10:00 <yorickpeterse> the fuck is Ultrix

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10:00 <matti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrix

10:01 <yorickpeterse> Oh great, sys-cpu actually spits out system wide load averages

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10:01 <yorickpeterse> I need process specific :<

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10:06 <yorickpeterse> Oh blegh I can't use vmstat since this needs to work on jrubby

10:06 <yorickpeterse> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

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10:12 <darix> yorickpeterse: i am really happy that the unicode consortium added even more emojis to the standard so you can get more creative

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10:14 <yorickpeterse> now we just need to wait 10 years for every font to properly display them

10:14 <whitequark> they shouldn't have added any, ever

10:14 <whitequark> screw emoji

10:15 <yorickpeterse> (　`Д´)=◯)`ν°)

10:15 <yorickpeterse> But yes I agree that it doesn't really belong in the Unicode spec

10:15 <yorickpeterse> That pile of poop Unicode is the prime example

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10:15 <workmad3> whitequark:

10:16 <whitequark> workmad3: "whitequark: on emoji? :)" is what I see

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10:16 <workmad3> whitequark: bah... it was a happy pile of poo :)

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10:17 <whitequark> given the above, are you surprised that I don't have fonts with emoji?

10:17 <workmad3> heh

10:17 <workmad3> I have emoji in my terminal prompt

10:17 <matti> workmad3: You do?

10:17 <matti> workmad3: You otaku.

10:18 <workmad3> matti: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jy3ip9caw25nr44/Screenshot%202014-06-17%2011.18.10.png yup

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10:18 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: ヽ(´ー｀)ノ

10:18 <yorickpeterse> Be glad this channel doesn't allow colours

10:19 <matti> workmad3: Holy quark.

10:19 <matti> workmad3: That's one hell of a fancy prompt.

10:19 <whitequark> workmad3: wow, that's a horrible prompt

10:20 <matti> workmad3: You need to throw there some animated Nyan cat gif.

10:20 <whitequark> 90s-style icons, looking so much out of place.

10:20 <matti> Mine: ~ $

10:21 <workmad3> whitequark: do you prefer it with less fancy icons? https://www.dropbox.com/s/h0fcogvr9d3g86d/Screenshot%202014-06-17%2011.20.49.png

10:21 <yorickpeterse> dat prompt

10:21 <matti> With added git hooks for repositories.

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10:21 <matti> workmad3: I bet this prompt compounds to 50% of your day-to-day CPU usage ;p

10:21 <whitequark> workmad3: a little bit less horrible

10:22 <yorickpeterse> http://downloads.yorickpeterse.com/images/screenshot_120614_14%3a32%3a19.png my prompt

10:22 <yorickpeterse> nice and easy

10:22 <yorickpeterse> errr derp

10:22 <yorickpeterse> wrong screenshot

10:22 <yorickpeterse> but it does show my prompt

10:22 <yorickpeterse> heh

10:22 <workmad3> :)

10:22 <yorickpeterse> (that's runic btw)

10:22 <workmad3> matti: potentially... :)

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10:24 <workmad3> whitequark: I find it useful having that info on the prompt, makes it easier for me to spot when I've done things like left a terminal logged into a server or setup on the wrong ruby

10:25 <workmad3> the cat face for previous command status I'll admit is gratuitous...

10:25 <matti> yorickpeterse: What is with all the runes?

10:25 <matti> yorickpeterse: Are you writing somthing for the Norse Gods?

10:25 <matti> ;d

10:25 <yorickpeterse> matti: I wanted to know if the particular app worked with Runic

10:25 <yorickpeterse> the assumption I had was that it would be shite for Unicode

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10:25 <yorickpeterse> it also doesn't handle Chinese I believe

10:25 <matti> LOL

10:25 * matti slaps yorickpeterse

10:25 <matti> No Chinese!

10:26 <matti> Shame on you.

10:26 <matti> yorickpeterse: Mandarin is mandatory nowadays.

10:26 <matti> yorickpeterse: For long irregular swear words, Firefly style.

10:27 <yorickpeterse> well this suite only supports a bunch of European languages so I can't really blame it

10:27 <matti> yorickpeterse: :)

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10:45 <jammanbo> So again with the regexes … If I name one capture group, do I need to name them all or something? Unnamed capture groups are matching for me but not being captured.

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10:47 <jammanbo> oh, I see, found it. nvm

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10:47 <canton7> #captures

10:47 <canton7> yup

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10:57 <jammanbo> Okay, I give up. Need help. I'm trying to define a regex string to be embedded in larger regexes. Specifically: def quoted; %Q{(["'])([^\1]*)\1}; end. The problem is that when I use this in a larger regex, the capture group numbering may be wrong. Is there a way I can do this?

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11:00 <jammanbo> e.g. /the (man|woman) is called #{quoted}/

11:00 <whitequark> jammanbo: named captures

11:01 <jammanbo> whitequark: Yeah I thought that was the way, but apart from making me name everything which I'd rather not do, it can't handle /#{quoted} or #{quoted}/

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11:03 <whitequark> don't use regular expressions for this

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12:43 <darix> yorickpeterse: they even add a middlefinger emoji in the standard

12:43 <darix> something discussions on the internet really needed.

12:43 <yorickpeterse> heh

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13:02 <ssam2> hi! Is there a canonical way to find the upstream source code for a given Gem ?

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13:04 <canton7> ssam2, check rubygems, google '<gem name> github'

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13:05 <canton7> or failing that, just open up the gem on your local machine :P

13:05 <gnufied> there is none.

13:05 <gnufied> rubygems spec does not require gem publisher to specify upstream source

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13:05 <ssam2> OK, thanks for the input. I'm looking to do it in as automated a way as possible

13:06 <ssam2> searching github for each may turn out to be close enough :)

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13:06 <ssam2> do you know if this is a deliberate design decision of the rubygems spec, or just something that nobody's really cared about before?

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13:18 <darix> ssam2: you can often also check the readme files or so

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13:20 <canton7> ssam2, a gemspec does contain a field for the project's homepage

13:20 <canton7> whether source code is available from that homepage is up to the gem maintainer

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13:22 <ssam2> OK. I'm working on a distro where everything is included directly from upstream Git repos, so this isn't ideal for us

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13:22 <ssam2> but I'm sure we can get 'good enough' fairly easily by searching github, looking at gemspecs etc.

13:22 <yorickpeterse> why the heck would you want to directly install from Git?

13:23 <yorickpeterse> That's a recipe for disaster

13:23 <canton7> sounds silly. gems can be distributed as binaries, might require vastly different steps to build them, etc etc

13:24 <ssam2> right, but it adds an indirection between what's running in your system, and the upstream project

13:24 <yorickpeterse> bullshit

13:24 <canton7> ruby already has a package manager for gems: gem. in my experience, when distros start getting involves in this, stuff gets real messy real fast

13:24 <ssam2> if I find a bug and fix it, I don't want to do it in files in /usr/share/gems in my local system, I want to do it in the git repo

13:24 <yorickpeterse> Using that argument we'd all use ASM because C adds a layer of indirection

13:24 <matti> ASM!

13:25 <yorickpeterse> ssam2: then fork the repo and submit a patch?

13:25 <matti> Way too high level.

13:25 <matti> Byte code.

13:25 <yorickpeterse> You know, how people have been doing this for decades

13:25 <canton7> ssam2, so if a gem has a bug, and some *other* gem relies on that bug, are you going to go and fix it in your private fork, then install that as the system version of that gem?

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13:25 * ssam2 is suddenly very confused how assembly language got involved in this discussion

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13:26 <ssam2> yorickpeterse: forking the repo and submitting a patch is exactly what I'd want to do

13:26 <ssam2> yorickpeterse: but if all I have is a Gem, how do I find the repo in the first place?

13:26 <matti> ssam2: Not sure either, but sounds cool to have it there.

13:26 <ssam2> heh :)

13:26 <yorickpeterse> ssam2: google?

13:26 <matti> ssam2: Like having onion is a cheesburger.

13:26 <yorickpeterse> You have to find the repository sooner or later

13:26 <yorickpeterse> You're trying to solve a non issue

13:26 <yorickpeterse> More importantly, you're adding a whole bunch of other problems by relying on Git directly

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13:27 <ssam2> yorickpeterse: would you mind explaining some of those problems? it would be helpful for me to know

13:27 <yorickpeterse> Use RubyGems for installing Gems, don't re-invent an even more square wheel to do that

13:27 <matti> ssam2: BTW, including everything from upstream repositories sounds like a recipe for a massive on-going headache.

13:27 <yorickpeterse> ssam2: stability is the biggest one

13:27 <yorickpeterse> There's no guarantee that some branch you rely on doesn't change from one minute to the other

13:27 <matti> ssam2: And can lead to serious brain damage.

13:27 <yorickpeterse> or that it works at all to begin with

13:27 <yorickpeterse> Some projects rely on files not tracked in Git (e.g. bit datasets)

13:28 <yorickpeterse> You'll also need to know the exact build process for every component in order to build it

13:28 <yorickpeterse> instead of just `gem install FOO`

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13:28 <ssam2> so it's not as simple as 'rake build' ? It's pretty simple in the C world, and the Python world

13:28 <yorickpeterse> You're basically doing what Gentoo & friends do, except those at least rely on semi-stable source inputs (e.g. some .tar.gz somewhere)

13:28 <canton7> gem maintainers know best how to build their projects. they decide what's stable, test it, and build it, package it, and publish it

13:28 <yorickpeterse> ssam2: that is not gauranteed

13:28 <canton7> ssam2, depends on the project. just as in C - there's no predefined way to build any given C project

13:29 <yorickpeterse> Some Gems might require `rake do_a_barrel_roll`, others might not use Rake at all

13:29 <ssam2> true, but in practice 90% of the time 'make, make install' works

13:29 <Mon_Ouie> gem build *.gemspec && gem install *.gem will often work

13:29 <yorickpeterse> Mon_Ouie: "often", not "always"

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13:29 <ssam2> manually adding build steps for 10% of the cases isn't an issue for us

13:30 <yorickpeterse> More importantly, what happens if the Git remote is down?

13:30 <canton7> *most* projects will have a .gemspec, and you'll 'gem build' them.

13:30 <yorickpeterse> Do you add 15 other remotes?

13:30 <yorickpeterse> Or can you just not install anything?

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13:30 <canton7> ssam2, so you're going to restrict the gems available on your system to the gems you've manually verified work with your special build system?

13:30 <ssam2> yorickpeterse: we have a tool to mirror all the upstream repos we want.

13:30 <yorickpeterse> I have about 20 or so projects that require more than just a `gem build`

13:30 <canton7> there are many, many, many gems out there

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13:30 <yorickpeterse> ssam2: so you're already adding a layer of indirection

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13:30 <yorickpeterse> Why not just use RubyGems?

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13:31 <yorickpeterse> Again, don't re-invent an even more square wheel

13:31 <yorickpeterse> You'll be ignoring ~10 years of RubyGems development knowledge

13:31 <yorickpeterse> and possibly 30 years of knowledge about how to package and distribute things

13:31 <ssam2> yorickpeterse: I was under the impression that Gems can build anything as part of their build process, including C and whatever else

13:31 <ssam2> is that correct?

13:31 <yorickpeterse> Yes

13:31 <yorickpeterse> You could install Fortran for all you'd want

13:31 <ssam2> if Gems were purely Ruby code, I'd be happy to just use Gems

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13:32 <yorickpeterse> ...what?

13:32 <ssam2> but given that there can be binaries, I don't want to use them

13:32 <yorickpeterse> So what, "sorry you can't install this Gem"?

13:32 <yorickpeterse> I can't fret this enough, this sounds like a really really bad idea

13:33 <yorickpeterse> The amount of time and effort you'd have to put into this is not worth the tiny gain you *might* get

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13:34 <canton7> and if you end up with an even slightly shitty rubygems re-implementation, people hate you. this has happened before

13:34 <canton7> don't take a decent package management system and screw it up. please :)

13:35 <ssam2> yorickpeterse: bear in mind we don't *just* care about Ruby code :) our original goal was building a basic GNU/Linux system, so mostly C code

13:35 <ssam2> currently I'm trying to allow integrating Ruby code in a consistent way

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13:35 <yorickpeterse> Compiling C is *nothing* like building Ruby gems

13:35 <ssam2> certainly I don't want to reinvent Gem!

13:35 <canton7> how are you going to handle dependencies? is your gem re-plementation going to handle the whole dependency management stuff, including the semantic versioning constraints?

13:35 <canton7> are you going to provide something which bundler can use?

13:36 <ssam2> canton7: isn't that a bit inside out? Bundler already provides something *we* can use

13:36 <canton7> are you going to force users to modify the Gemfiles of any projects they use to point to your custom gem server?

13:36 <canton7> as in, if I download a project off github, run 'bundle install', will it work on your system?

13:36 <ssam2> canton7: I don't know enough about bundle yet to answer that, but thanks -- something useful to think about

13:37 <canton7> given that that Gemfile is going to specify rubygems.org as its gem source

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13:37 <yorickpeterse> To give an example, I have a bunch of projects that pre-build and package .jar files in the Gem before the .gem is built

13:37 <ssam2> keep in mind the goal isn't to build a Gem, the goal is to build a *system*, which happens to contain some Ruby components

13:37 <yorickpeterse> So just a `gem build` only gets you half of what you need

13:37 <yorickpeterse> ssam2: Just install those using RubyGems

13:37 <canton7> ssam2, so you're going to allow the user to install their own gems?

13:37 <yorickpeterse> You don't want to also do this crap for haskell, python, perl, or any other language one might want to install

13:38 <yorickpeterse> Also take a look at nixOS and its package manager in particular

13:38 <ssam2> yorickpeterse: I'm aware of nixOS, I actually think it's really cool

13:38 <ssam2> but a little too complex and general purpose for what I'm trying to do

13:38 <ssam2> the goal is to build self-contained 'appliance' type systems

13:39 <yorickpeterse> heh, if you're using the raw source directly I wouldn't really call it self contained

13:39 <ssam2> so making it easy for users to install stuff after the systems are built isn't really a goal

13:39 <ssam2> yorickpeterse: i'm not sure what you mean by that ..

13:40 <yorickpeterse> self contained would assume that it can be fully operational on its own and only depends on a stable set of inputs (of which you can guarantee that they are stable)

13:40 <yorickpeterse> A git repository is not stable at all

13:40 <yorickpeterse> People fuck around in them, rename them, perhaps remove them forever

13:40 <ssam2> that's why we mirror them

13:40 <yorickpeterse> Sure, you can mirror them. But that begs the question: why the heck not just use the original system (e.g. RubyGems in this case)

13:40 <ssam2> because yes, you're right that people go wild in their git repos sometimes :)

13:41 <yorickpeterse> You said it yourself: you don't want layers of indirection

13:41 <yorickpeterse> You are very fundamentally adding them

13:41 <ssam2> because it's mirroring arbitrary binaries, not source code repos

13:41 <ssam2> if we mirror a Git repo, it's trivial to push a branch to the original

13:41 <ssam2> if we mirror a Gem, we have some Ruby code + arbitrary binary data for a random architecture

13:41 <yorickpeterse> It's no more difficult to send a patch to a Gem, or a Python package, or something else

13:41 <yorickpeterse> and that's false

13:42 <ssam2> I thought you agreed that anything can be built as part of a Gem ?

13:42 <yorickpeterse> Yes, but compilation happens upon installation

13:42 <yorickpeterse> e.g. C extensions are built upon gem installation

13:42 <canton7> (you can have precompiled gems, can't you?)

13:42 <yorickpeterse> Some Gems *might* contain architecture independent binaries

13:42 <yorickpeterse> e.g. I think eventmachine or something ships some pre-compiled crap

13:43 <canton7> yeah, that and nokogiri for windows iirc

13:43 <yorickpeterse> That however is the problem of the author of said Gem

13:43 <yorickpeterse> You, as a packager/distro maintainer can not possibly expect you can take care of that for everything out there

13:43 <yorickpeterse> It's a battle of David vs Goliath, except Goliath always wins

13:43 <ssam2> yorickpeterse: OH!

13:44 <ssam2> I'd missed that compilation happened upon installation

13:44 <yorickpeterse> You can mirror the .gem files just fine and I recommend doing so since RubyGems is not always as reliable

13:44 <ssam2> OK

13:45 <ssam2> well, you guys have definitely convinced me to explore mirroring gems directly, instead

13:45 <ssam2> thanks for that!

13:46 <ssam2> by the way the system I'm working on is called Baserock: http://www.baserock.org/

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16:03 <ssam2> darix: wow, not heard of Rock Linux before. It's not a fork of that :)

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16:04 <ssam2> looks quite interesting though, thanks for pointing it out!

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18:05 <baudot_> Morning, all.

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18:18 <wallerdev> morning

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18:23 <apeiros> evening

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18:23 <paola-15d> hola

18:23 <paola-15d> :-*

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18:26 <paola-15d> busco amigos

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18:34 <|jemc|> project structuring question:

18:34 <|jemc|> I have a repository with a set of integration tests (lets call it "X") to test the interoperability of gems A, B, and C.

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18:35 <|jemc|> when working on any one of the gems A, B, and C, I want a rake command in that project directory to run the integration for the working directory version of the gem under work with the _latest released_ versions of the other two gems

18:36 <|jemc|> to avoid the current workflow of: do some work on gem A, run gem build and gem install for gem A, then navigate to the directory for tests X and run them with all installed versions

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18:38 <|jemc|> Has anybody had a similar problem they found an idiomatic project structure for?

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18:39 <|jemc|> Right now, I'm picturing gems A, B, and C having tasks that will pulll down the latest X into a subdirectory and then somehow interface with bundler to use the working directory version of BOTH A and X (rather than the typical bundler behavior of A or X only)

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18:46 <whitequark> why the hell does pry eat all lines of backtrace except the first? O_o

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18:47 <apeiros> whitequark: you can change that

18:48 <apeiros> also wtf?!?!???!? shows more of the backtrace (no joke)

18:48 <apeiros> basically the numbers of ? or ! says how many lines :)

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18:49 <whitequark> sigh

18:49 <apeiros> just change the config

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22:31 <zenspider> what's happenin'?

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23:28 <zenspider> zenweb version 3.5.0 has been released! | software releases by ryan davis - http://blog.zenspider.com/releases/2014/06/zenweb-version-3-5-0-has-been-released.html

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