apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<t4nk795> Hello everyone. My ruby program is going into an infinite loop, not stopping when I get all the answers right. Why? The code is here: http://pastebin.com/nPzbPjCv.
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<t4nk998> Can someone please tell me why this code isn't working fast? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6cb515edb727a25e479c
<t4nk998> Even if I answer all the questions right it does not trigger the win message.
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<workmad3> morning
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<yorickpeterse> Darn Amazon Linux
<yorickpeterse> offers tcl, but not tk
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<darix> yorickpeterse: why do you need tk?
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<yorickpeterse> Some dumb library we have to use requires it
<yorickpeterse> even when you run it in non GUI mode
<yorickpeterse> researchers etc
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<matti> Oink yorickpeterse
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<maloik> you pig
<maloik> :-)
<matti> :)
<yorickpeterse> matti: ヽ(´ー`)ノ
<yorickpeterse> hmpf not that one
<yorickpeterse> matti: (っ´ω`)っ
<maloik> :D
<matti> yorickpeterse: (★^O^★)
<yorickpeterse> ( •_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
<maloik> my unicde is failing hard here
<maloik> breaking my irssi
<maloik> :(
<matti> o (◡‿◡✿)
<matti> maloik: Oh deary dear.
<yorickpeterse> maloik: ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ
* matti hands maloik a biscuit
<yorickpeterse> honestly if your IRC client doesn't do Unicode in 2014 you might want a better client
<yorickpeterse> gotta get on that emoji hypetrain
<maloik> oh it probably can I just can't be bothered to look up how
<matti> Or your terminal, or fonts, or or or.
<matti> maloik: You must fix it.
<yorickpeterse> Hm, there are some really questionable emoji in this plugin
<maloik> One day... *looks into the distance*
<matti> maloik: You must be able to experience the sheer joy when someone pastes UTF poo.
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<yorickpeterse> There's even an 9/11 one in here ...
<yorickpeterse> (*・_・)ノ ︵✈ ▌▌
<yorickpeterse> I wonder what weirdo decided that was a good idea
<yorickpeterse> ok last one -===☆ THE MORE YOU KNOW
<maloik> okay I think I found how
<yorickpeterse> (https://github.com/mrdaemon/weechat-emojis for the curious)
<maloik> if I don't return, call 911
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<matti> matled: I rather call Ghostbusters!
<matti> matled: yorickpeterse could use some exorcism ;]
<yorickpeterse> :<
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<matti> Ohh.
<matti> yorickpeterse: #hugs
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<maloik> yorickpeterse: poo me!
<maloik> 🐢
<maloik> well that surely failed
<maloik> back to work then :)
<matti> Haha
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<yorickpeterse> matti: ъ(`ー´ლ) hnnngggghhhh.
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<matti> What is it?
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<yorickpeterse> apparently somebody pooping
<yorickpeterse> I don't have the Unicode pile of poop saved
<workmad3>
<yorickpeterse> apparently my font doesn't support it either
<yorickpeterse> DANG IT
<workmad3> such a shame...
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<matti> Haha
<matti> workmad3: :>
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: I use symbola btw: http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/
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<maloik> oh
<maloik> workmad3's poop is visible
<maloik> how nice
<yorickpeterse> workmad3: heh
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<yorickpeterse> oh neat, so we have this thing "X" which processes text in different languages
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<yorickpeterse> For French, German, Italian and Spanish it can do its thing in miliseconds
<yorickpeterse> for Dutch it suddenly takes 6 seconds for 130 words
<yorickpeterse> webscale
<yorickpeterse> errr so for English
<yorickpeterse> Dutch "only" takes 2 seconds
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<TTilus> yorickpeterse: easy 4u don't mean easy for your computer ;)
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<TTilus> yorickpeterse: unpredictable/surprising performance characteristics suck big time
<yorickpeterse> This is not just "some difference"
<yorickpeterse> This has "bugs" written all over it
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<yorickpeterse> or an incorrect training set
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<TTilus> it has slight "convoluted regex" smell in it
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<yorickpeterse> There's no regex being used for this
<yorickpeterse> You can't use regular expressions for parsing word dependencies of a language
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<TTilus> the fact you can't has never prevented ppl from trying ;)
<TTilus> but ok, smells buggy, yes
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: sounds like backtracing
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: quite possible
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<yorickpeterse> However, considering the same code is used for the different languages this strikes me as odd at the least
<yorickpeterse> But I'll have to confirm that with the actual author
<yorickpeterse> (before I smack this in a paper and say "shit's slow yo")
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<whitequark> not odd at all, different languages have different (formal) grammars
<whitequark> some may require backtracking, some not
<whitequark> also you could probably fix it with more memoization
<yorickpeterse> hahahahahaha
<yorickpeterse> Ok so context:
<whitequark> what?
<yorickpeterse> This code is written by non-expert devs
<yorickpeterse> If I start about memoization/caching they'll just look at me funny
<whitequark> send a PR
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<yorickpeterse> Trust me on this one, I've dealt with these people for almost 2 years now
<yorickpeterse> Once this opens up I can actually show it
<yorickpeterse> (and it will make some sense, I hope)
<whitequark> 2 years and they don't understand memoization?
<whitequark> if those people are hired as developers, they should be un-hired
<yorickpeterse> They are researchers
<yorickpeterse> and we don't hire them so I have little say in that
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<yorickpeterse> They know their theories, algorithms, etc. But I'm pretty sure this industry would be a lot more advanced if they learned more than "Java boilerplate in 30 minutes"
<whitequark> like, they can understand some convoluted statistical shit or something, but not memoization?
<yorickpeterse> actually the Java devs are all right in this case
<yorickpeterse> Their stuff works and is pretty fast
<whitequark> now *that* strikes me as odd
<whitequark> anyway. gotta go
<yorickpeterse> oh they'll probably understand the concept, just not the tech side of things
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<yorickpeterse> e.g. I'm pretty sure I'll end up with global vars everywheree
<yorickpeterse> * everywhere
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<whitequark> well. yes. that would be typical.
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<yorickpeterse> The NLP world is an odd world
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<maloik> there's going to be an NLP talk at arrrrcamp, quite looking forward to that
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<yorickpeterse> heh, probably involves Apache OpenNLP
<yorickpeterse> that's apparently the rage in NPL biz
<maloik> yea it mentioned it
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<roelof> Is there a command which I can calculate this 3! which is 1 * 2 * 3 ?
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<havenwood> >> 3.downto(1).inject(:*)
<eval-in> havenwood => 6 (https://eval.in/166141)
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<roelof> another question : is Arch or Chakra linux better for ruby development ?
<roelof> havenwood: thanks
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<jhass> roelof: better than...?
<havenwood> roelof: hem, I don't know Chakra but Arch does always seem to have a nice up-to-date Ruby package
<roelof> oke, and is aptana a good ide ??
<roelof> Im nit a fan of vim or emacs ?
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<havenwood> roelof: Rubymine seems to be a well-liked IDE.
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<havenwood> I don't know how it compares to Aptana though.
<havenwood> roelof: You might also consider a text editor like Atom, LightTable, Sublime or TextMate if you want to avoid vim/emacs.
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<Senjai> roelof: You don't want to avoid vim
<Senjai> roelof: It's worth the learning curve
<Senjai> By far
<jhass> and there it goes...
<Senjai> jhass: Kaploosh
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<roelof> havenwoord : and start things like rspec from prompt instead of from a menu
<jhass> roelof: yep
<havenwood> roelof: indeed, or plugins to automate
<roelof> oke, I will look at atom or Sublime
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<roelof> as far as I know there a none linux distro which have packaged light table
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<yorickpeterse> roelof: just use something like gedit while you're learning
<yorickpeterse> it's literally just a text editor with syntax highlighting
<yorickpeterse> and it doesn't require Node.js, 2GB of RAM for the JVM or any of that
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<roelof> I have 4G so memory is no problem
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<yorickpeterse> It was a joke about how 2GB for any program is insane
<yorickpeterse> unless it's something like an intensive video game
<havenwood> yorickpeterse: editing Ruby file in LightTable: 48MB memory
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<yorickpeterse> havenwood: 27MB in a gvim session that has been running since the 11th
<yorickpeterse> take that
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<havenwood> less, no doubt, but not orders of magnitude :P
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<havenwood> it does seem like Atom support for GNU/Linux is getting there fast though
<yorickpeterse> I like parts of the UI (e.g. the sidebar is pretty slick), but fuck running a web browser to edit a text file
<havenwood> hehe
<yorickpeterse> I also wonder if it can open large files (e.g. 2GB of logs)
<yorickpeterse> ^ vim can't
<yorickpeterse> not unless you disable syntax highlighting at least
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<havenwood> yorickpeterse: "Atom can only handle files < 2MB, for now."
<havenwood> not even close
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<yorickpeterse> srsly
<yorickpeterse> that's a joke right?
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<havenwood> yorickpeterse: With a 2.1MB file, LightTable chokes, Atom raises non-joke error ^, TextMate and Sublime open it.
<yorickpeterse> hahaha
<yorickpeterse> ._.
<yorickpeterse> clearly what you need to do is start 100 Atom processes so you can scale linearly across multiple cores
<yorickpeterse> that's how you scale node.js
<yorickpeterse> oh hey, atom.io is also down
<yorickpeterse> probably not running node.js
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<headius> whitequark: jruby will have refinements for 9k release
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<Senjai> yorickpeterse: Or you can gzip your logs and segregate them by day or by hour etc instead of having one massive log file
<yorickpeterse> Senjai: or you can completely miss the point of my example
<Senjai> yorickpeterse: You can edit large files in vim if you want to
<yorickpeterse> I could've said "a 4GB SQL dump" and it wouldn't have made a difference
<roelof> everyone thanks for the help and have a good evening
<roelof> byee
<yorickpeterse> roelof: toodles
<Senjai> I have no issues opening multi gb sql dumps
<Senjai> with plugins disabled
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<NemesisD> anyone know if there's any tricks to find all dependencies with c extensions? I'm getting random segfaults in production and wanted to update those
<NemesisD> was preferring something I could script considering there's about 170 dependencies in this project
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<Mon_Ouie> You can use the ruby gem API to get the gem specification of your dependencies and check that s.extensions is not empty
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<NemesisD> Mon_Ouie: do you know of any way I could get that in a console, like from bundler? or is there a RubyGems api for accessing all loaded gems
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<drbrain> NemesisD: Gem.loaded_specs.values.select { |s| s.exceptions }.map { |s| s.full_name }
<Mon_Ouie> I'm sure that must exist (that's how it can check for conflicts), I just don't know it off the top of my head
<Mon_Ouie> Well there you go
<drbrain> ↑ from rails console
<NemesisD> drbrain: thanks!
<NemesisD> drbrain: got an undefined method exceptions for Gem::Specification:0x157e7ec bundler-1.6.0>
<drbrain> oops, extensions
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<NemesisD> drbrain: thanks!
<NemesisD> i can't really make heads or tails of this segfault. i wonder if there's a better approach than just updating all these dependencies indiscriminantly
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<Rich_Morin> getting a nastygram from Ruby 2's gsub on UTF-8 input; help? https://gist.github.com/RichMorin/b4ed67df2be4cc0467fe
<drbrain> Rich_Morin: is path_ttl UTF-8?
<drbrain> ah, yes
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<drbrain> line 13: File.open(path_ttl, 'r:utf-8') do |lines|
<Rich_Morin> tnx!
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<Rich_Morin> Can I then remove all of the "u" modifiers from the REs?
<drbrain> yes
<Rich_Morin> cool
<drbrain> use those when you use the magic encoding comment to pick a non-UTF-8 encoding for your source file
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<Rich_Morin> Any suggestions on a clean way to switch between task and multitask in a Rakefile?
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<Rich_Morin> For example, force "task" for debugging...
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<drbrain> Rich_Morin: -j 1 should force all multitasks to work as tasks
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<Rich_Morin> tnx - I was thinking in terms of defining a my_task method or somesuch.
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