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<d9k_>
hi! I'm ruby noob. I've installed visualruby from http://visualruby.net/site/Download.html, but when I run vr command from terminal it tells me it's unknown command. xubuntu 14.04
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<mistym>
d9k_: Do you know where the gem was installed to? Depending on how you installed Ruby and how you called `gem install`, it might not be in your PATH.
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<d9k_>
mistym, I don't know. Can I run some commands to search for ruby gems paths?
<mistym>
d9k_: How do you have Ruby installed?
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<d9k_>
mistym, I think it goes together with xubuntu 14.04
<mistym>
d9k_: Did you call "gem install" with sudo, or without?
<d9k_>
I called it with sudo
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<d9k_>
I've searched for commands history and I found `sudo apt-get install ruby`
<d9k_>
sorry for bad english
<d9k_>
I have no vr command under root too.
<mistym>
d9k_: No problem
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<mistym>
d9k_: So you ran `sudo gem install visualruby`? (Not with backticks)
<d9k_>
`gem install visualruby` without `sudo` causes `You don't have write permissions into the /var/lib/gems/1.9.1 directory.` error
<d9k_>
Yes, I ran `sudo gem install visualruby`
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<d9k_>
interesting. `sudo gem uninstall visualruby` causes `gem "visualruby" is not installed`
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<d9k_>
maybe there was some error during installation and I didn't notice
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<zenspider>
I _love_ it when gems don't list where the source is
<zenspider>
d9k_: there is no `bin/vr` as far as I can tell
<zenspider>
oh. there is. but it isn't in bin, and I highly doubt the gem is set up right
<zenspider>
no, doesn't look like it.
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<d9k_>
zenspider, thanks. It's late I'm going to bed. Good bye everyone!
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<Guest44699>
I've just started to read "Programming Ruby" and...
<Guest44699>
if "я" =~ /\w/; puts "я is a letter"; else puts "WTF?!"; end
<Guest44699>
Does Ruby only work with ASCII?!
<Guest44699>
I'm using 2.1.2
<|jemc|>
well, obviously it "works" with 'я'
<|jemc|>
or else it couldn't print it
<ari-_-e>
Guest44699: hm?
<|jemc|>
Guest44699: check out the "POSIX bracket expressions" in the docs for Regexp
<ari-_-e>
why do you ask if it only works with ascii?
<Guest44699>
<ari-_-e>: \w should obviously match "я"
<Guest44699>
Ancient POSIX crap? Pardon my Japanese... seriously?
<ari-_-e>
Guest44699: it all depends on how unicode defines the characters
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<Guest44699>
Well, at least \p{L} seems to work...
<ari-_-e>
and what ruby considers to be a "word character"
<Guest44699>
<ari-_-e>: How about General Category = Letter... and Connector Punctuation, maybe (for underscore)
<Guest44699>
alright, I see... nevermind
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<nofxx>
Guest44699, def √ n; n**0.5 end
<nofxx>
√9 # 3
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<nofxx>
can't get more unicode
<ari-_-e>
so unicode
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<[spoiler]>
I just got kicked out of a channel (on a different network) for being bi...
<[spoiler]>
It felt so barbaric and medieval
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<pipework>
[spoiler]: It sounds reasonable.
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<[spoiler]>
Sure it does. :P
<pipework>
Meaning, no one cares and that channel might not be the place to put your sexual preferences on display.
<[spoiler]>
(It was on-topic)
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<krasnus>
pipework: even if I say right now in this channel: "i'm gay" that's not really a reason to kick me, is it? :O
<pipework>
Sure it is.
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<pipework>
Your sexuality has no bearing or value and is just noise meant as a distraction. I could see an argument for it, but I personally wouldn't kick you for it.
<pipework>
I like a little offtopic in my ontopic.
<pipework>
Medieval would have been killing you and burning your corpse and everything you own (animals and inanimate objects)
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<krasnus>
disregarding the hyperbolic language of 'medieval', it still is not really a reason to kick someone in my opinion
<[spoiler]>
Woah woah. I was humorously exaggerating; calm your trousers, pipework! :)
<pipework>
[spoiler]: There's no rustling in my jimmies here, just taking the opposition as a reasonable point, which I can see it being.
<pipework>
krasnus: I just could see it being a good reason depending on the channel and the kinds of people who have ops and how they run that channel.
<[spoiler]>
I'm not upset about it, I was just surprised. It was a crappish channel anyway.
<[spoiler]>
For context: it's a RP channel, but we were casually chatting ooc
<krasnus>
pipework: I can understand it being offtopic, or even detrimental to the discussion, but a warning would be more appropriate than just plain kicking
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<vick_>
Where can I find good info about ruby's private and protected methods? The internet is full of phrases like "In Ruby, you can only access private methods for your instance of object. and not for any other object instance (of class A)". What, all instances get different methods?
<krasnus>
but then again: everyone 'rules' their channel as they want
<pipework>
krasnus: Try making one joke about lifting and having big pythons in #python
<[spoiler]>
There's a section called "Declaring Visibility"
<vick_>
that's what i was reading
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<vick_>
actually
<pipework>
vick_: Mind that it also recently changed in 2.1
<vick_>
" If a method is private, it may be called only within the context of the calling object---it is never possible to access another object instance's private methods directly" - I think by "context" they mean that implicit 'this' propagates up the call stack? Or what?
<[spoiler]>
self*
<vick_>
And what are "another object's methods"? Methods are shared among objects, this is kind of the whole point?
<pipework>
vick_: Methods live on classes.
<pipework>
You should learn ruby's method dispatch hierarchy.
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<[spoiler]>
Er, if you have class Hokeypokey; private def magic; end; end; you won't be able to call magic on another Hokeypokey from inside another Hokeypokey object
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<[spoiler]>
and the #1s are usually the good ones
<pipework>
The best resource, imo, is "Metaprogramming Ruby", but only the first half.
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<pipework>
That's the part that talks about ruby's object model, not so much about the metaprogramming facilities themselves.
<vick_>
"explicit recipient" is 'foo' in foo.bar, right?
<[spoiler]>
yeah
<[spoiler]>
but "self" is also explicit
<[spoiler]>
(it's weird, I know)
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<pipework>
When you use self.bar you're sending a message over self's public interface.
<[spoiler]>
doing `bar` and `self.bar` isn't the same
<pipework>
meaning it uses public methods.
<[spoiler]>
what he said ^
<[spoiler]>
or she, I don't mean to be sexist
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<pipework>
I am a meat popsicle.
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<[spoiler]>
it, then?
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<vick_>
So, basically, protected methods can only be called within a definition of a class or its descendants? And private methods are called with implicit instance? Am I on the right track?
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<[spoiler]>
Basically you can call private methods only from within that instance, and protected methods on that instance and "sibling instances"
<[spoiler]>
but private methods must be called with an implicit recipient (so, with no explicit recipient, not even `self`)
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<[spoiler]>
protected methods can be called with either, it won't matter
<vick_>
Well, I don't really understand "within instance"... I am a C programmer, when I imagine "instance" I see a chunk of memory on the heap... Some examples?
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<pipework>
That's all disregarding #send as well as various forms of eval.
<pipework>
vick_: You should stop thinking about memory and stack frames in ruby.
<[spoiler]>
yeah, those will just confuse you. In ruby it's object, rainbows and pies
<[spoiler]>
objects*
<[spoiler]>
That was a joke, btw :P
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<[spoiler]>
I wish there was pies
<apeiros>
vick_: "foo" <-- string instance, x = Bar.new # <-- Bar instance
<apeiros>
instance in ruby is equivalent to object (or I'm not aware of a distinction at least)
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<apeiros>
and "chunk of memory" is probably not that off either. it comes with additional information about the object, like its class, frozen state etc.
<[spoiler]>
apeiros, there's no distinction, everything in ruby is an object :P
<vick_>
apeiros: That much is obvious, but how do I call a method "within instance"?
<apeiros>
[spoiler]: incorrect, not everything is an object ;-) but everything that is an object is an instance
<apeiros>
vick_: that's about the scope
<apeiros>
vick_: class Foo; def bar; …code here is run "within" the object…; end; end
<[spoiler]>
vick_, to put it plainly, it must be called from inside a method that's part of the class
<apeiros>
x = Foo.new; x.calling_methods_from_outside_of_x
<apeiros>
if you are "within an object", self is set to the object
<apeiros>
*that object
<vick_>
spoiler: Thanks! That's what I suspected actually...
<[spoiler]>
apeiros, isn't *everything* an object? I thought it was
<vick_>
It's more clear now.
<apeiros>
[spoiler]: no. code is not an object. variables are not objects. blocks are not objects. methods are not objects. (you can create objects representing the latter two, though)
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<[spoiler]>
Hmm. Aren't methods instances of Method?
<pipework>
apeiros: What's not object yet in rubby?
<apeiros>
[spoiler]: only once you created one
<pipework>
Globals?
<pipework>
I don't know.
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<apeiros>
pipework: see above, I listed a couple. and yes, globals being variables are not objects.
<[spoiler]>
also I'm aware variables aren't objects; but that's kind of implied
<[spoiler]>
and "code" was also implied haha
<apeiros>
[spoiler]: meet lisp :)
<apeiros>
and similar languages
<pipework>
apeiros: That seems weird to say though about methods.
<[spoiler]>
Oh, never wrote a single line of lisp
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<apeiros>
code is just data there. ready for you to manipulate.
<pipework>
I mean, I get it, but that one feels particularly weird.
<[spoiler]>
and blocks are just procs afaik?
<pipework>
[spoiler]: nope.
<apeiros>
[spoiler]: with blocks too, only if you create one from it
<[spoiler]>
Ah well
<apeiros>
def foo; yield; end; foo { puts "Hi" } # no Proc instance ever created in this code
<[spoiler]>
So, correction: almost everything is an object
<apeiros>
def foo(&block); block.call; end; foo { puts "Hi" } # now you force ruby to create a Proc instance
<apeiros>
[spoiler]: it is a bit of hairsplitting, though
<apeiros>
and both, the proc/block and method examples are, or could be, implementation details
<apeiros>
I don't think ruby starts with zero methods ;-)
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<[spoiler]>
ah interesting
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<[spoiler]>
I love finding out stuff like this :D
<[spoiler]>
never a boring day with Ruby :P
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<apeiros>
[spoiler]: as said, IMO an implementation could easily choose to back all methods with an actual Method instance. MRI just chose not to do so. I'd assume for performance/memory consumption reasons. not sure, though.
<apeiros>
and it could easily choose to represent all blocks as Procs too. with blocks I'm reasonably sure it was chosen not to for performance reasons. block-only is less expensive in scenarios where they're not passed on.
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<[spoiler]>
apeiros, that makes sense, though (why they don't represent them as objects), but I just imagined they did, but I never bothered to check it :P
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<[spoiler]>
sale
<[spoiler]>
w/c
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<yorickpeterse>
morning
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<frank_o>
centrx: probably best i just set the time zone in the locale then like you suggested
<centrx>
That will avoid writing in lots of code to adjust time zones and then encountering bugs with t
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<frank_o>
Yep
<Kero>
How would ruby know what your own time zone is, if you do not tell it? But then, ruby tries to derive that from your OS/environment. so which bit of Time.parse"18:00" or Time.now is not working as expected?
<frank_o>
mistym still going in and out a lot huh :)
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<dostoyevsky>
is there a way to tell ruby I want to read a file just as a binary with no character recoding? When I do File.read("file").encoding it tells me "#<Encoding:UTF-8>"
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<Sonja>
are there any deep truths in Ruby?
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<apeiros>
a Ruby is a Ruby is a Ruby is a Ruby
<apeiros>
deep enough? :)
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<Sonja>
yes
<Sonja>
it's existential eh
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<apeiros>
well, technical truths: everything you call a method on is an object. almost everything is an object. there are only instance methods. the only things which can contain instance methods are modules (or classes, but since Class < Module…)
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<apeiros>
another truth: blocks are awesome and are a corner pillar of good ruby code and allow you to abstract many problems
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<apeiros>
need more?
<Sonja>
yes!
<apeiros>
d'oh
<Sonja>
no, this is enough
<apeiros>
I'm all out of ruby truths at the moment. come back later?
<apeiros>
:)
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<epitron>
ruby's message-passing based object protocol model is one of the core principles of what makes ruby (and smalltalk) nice
<epitron>
in other words, objects are just like machines on a network that send each other messages to do things
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<epitron>
which lets the objects do neat things, like interpret the message however it feels like (it doesn't need a method to exist)
<epitron>
(well, it needs a method that handles a number of different messages :)
<epitron>
it's a little bit different from other OOP languages, where all the messages you want to send an object must be known at compile time
<epitron>
and you have to actually know where that object's method lives in memory
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<diegoviola>
why will #map show me the actual output and #each won't?
<ericwood>
diegoviola: each isn't for outputting things
<ericwood>
it's for iteration and that's it
<diegoviola>
i see, ty
<ericwood>
p
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<diegoviola>
i have an array like this: ["410", "1704", "1", "1", "N", "17", "TIPO V", "APARTAMENTO 1 QUARTO", "N", "124.43", "219.73", "6", " ", "5"] -- how do i reduce it to only have one element or two
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<diegoviola>
actually, i'm doing this to get the array back: dados_gar.map! {|x| x.split("|") }
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<diegoviola>
the original data is like this: "410|804|115|1|0|"
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<diegoviola>
but i don't want all the data, just some elements into the array
<diegoviola>
actually, more like this: "410|1701|1|1|S|17|TIPO IV|APARTAMENTO 1 QUARTO|N|125.33|221|40| |5|"
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<diegoviola>
any ideas please?
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<mistym>
diegoviola: What's your criteria for including elements?
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<diegoviola>
mistym: well, those two arrays i'm getting are diffeent data, the only data in common is the IDs, but they are arrays and they don't have keys and such, so I just want to pick one or two elements from each array and combine them by the ID, then put the data into a hash with keys
<diegoviola>
mistym: but my first problem is actually picking the data i want from each array
<diegoviola>
mistym: the criteria, i don't know, i just want to pick one of the columns, i know what each data is, i just don't know how to refer to them, this is what the data looks like: https://gist.github.com/diegoviola/b0fae0e212b2d1613321
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<dorei>
use ranges in the array #[] ?
<diegoviola>
dados_gar.map {|x| x.split("|")[0..1] <-- i wonder if i could say something like this
<diegoviola>
but i'm not sure
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<diegoviola>
is there a better way?
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<dorei>
maybe a regex?
<diegoviola>
the data will change eventually so i'm not sure a regex would work
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