#ruby-lang on 2015-01-13 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-12-25 12:17 apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.2.0; 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com

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00:45 <joevandyk> Is there a way to get the 'before' block to call the 'setup' method here? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/joevandyk/6849c908d3b2ba999400/raw/852e4584d7a140aa0fd14620375e4bc813e1c982/gistfile1.txt

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00:59 <wallerdev> did you try calling setup

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00:59 <wallerdev> instead of super

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01:33 <zenspider> joevandyk: no. not as-is. `describe` is also a class and it isn't inheriting from T

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01:33 <zenspider> you can use Minitest::Spec.register_spec_type to teach it to subclass T under user supplied conditions

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01:52 <sangwoojoo> Hello, Is Ruby evenmachine performance is good than the Node.js?

01:52 <sangwoojoo> I'll use for websocket.

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02:12 <CM-Punk> Alright, I have a question

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02:13 <CM-Punk> If JSON keys (with children) all have different names, how would I go about parsing them with ruby?

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02:13 <CM-Punk> I understand how to parse static keys, but not dynamic keys.

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02:14 <zenspider> parsing what exactly?

02:14 <zenspider> maybe "parse" is the wrong word?

02:15 <CM-Punk> http://pastie.org/private/lcylt4zzobjdchbld7tbg here is the example JSON

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02:15 <CM-Punk> I want to read the keys without having to specify the names in the code.

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02:17 <zenspider> that's json. yup. I don't think that answers my question

02:17 <womble> CM-Punk: JSON.parse turns JSON objects into Hashes, so you can just use #keys to get the list of keys that are present in the object.

02:17 * womble can't remember what JSON calls 'em

02:17 <zenspider> CM-Punk: `ri Hash.keys` or `ri Hash.each`

02:17 <CM-Punk> Thank you

02:17 <CM-Punk> That answers my question.

02:18 <zenspider> or just `ri Hash`

02:18 <CM-Punk> I am not sure of the exact terminology for JSON, however...

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02:19 <CM-Punk> Under "plugins" there are children such as; Google, and Weather

02:19 <CM-Punk> How would I get my script to read those and return the title?

02:20 <zenspider> json has nothing to do with this. you want to learn how to use hashes

02:20 <zenspider> my answers above still stand. you really should learn those before going further

02:21 <CM-Punk> At a basic level I know how to use hashes, I've been dealing with them for years in Ruby

02:21 <womble> CM-Punk: Nested JSON objects turn into nested hashes.

02:21 <CM-Punk> I ask a simple question, how do I return the title of the children.

02:21 <womble> If you haven't dealt with nested hashes in your years of Ruby experience, you probably need to broaden your experience.

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02:22 <CM-Punk> I've dealt with nested hashes, but they've always been static. I've been able to return values, not titles.

02:22 <CM-Punk> Mostly with YAML.

02:23 <womble> There is no such thing as a "title" in a hash. There are only keys and values.

02:23 <CM-Punk> Fine the names of the keys

02:24 <CM-Punk> Again, while I don't know terminology; I know how to deal with it, usually.

02:24 <bnagy> apparently not

02:24 <CM-Punk> >usually

02:24 <bnagy> seriously, instead of getting defensive, just go and do what was suggested ( learn about hashes )

02:24 <bnagy> read the docs

02:24 <womble> CM-Punk: The list of keys in *any* hash is obtained via #keys

02:25 <CM-Punk> I'm not getting defensive. I am trying to get a clear, definitive answer instead of smart-ass remarks.

02:25 <bnagy> "smart-ass remarks" <- defensive

02:25 <CM-Punk> No, it's observant.

02:25 <womble> CM-Punk: Perhaps you should try asking a clear, definitive question instead of emitting smart-ass remarks.

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02:27 <waxjar> CM-Punk: what's your expected output?

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02:27 <CM-Punk> I have a problem with explaining that...simply because I'm obviously using the wrong terminology....

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02:28 <CM-Punk> Waxjar, I am trying to get my script to return the names of the children keys of "plugins"

02:28 <CM-Punk> Then I need the script to also iterate through the hash and return the values of the keys that are children of the children of "plugins"

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02:29 <womble> CM-Punk: 1) JSON.parse(<JSON blob>)['plugins'].keys

02:30 <waxjar> so your expected output is ["keyRequired", "constant", "file"] ?

02:30 <CM-Punk> Sec

02:30 <womble> CM-Punk: 2) JSON.parse(<JSON blob>)['plugins'].keys.each { |k| JSON.parse(<JSON blob>)['plugins'][k].keys }

02:30 <waxjar> or ["Google", "Weather"]

02:30 <womble> (Optimisation via use of variables left as an exercise for the reader)

02:31 <CM-Punk> http://pastie.org/private/fc8uvct5lhfhupnkgtsdvq

02:31 <CM-Punk> Waxjar, both

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02:32 <CM-Punk> Womble, ok I think I get that

02:33 <CM-Punk> Then I can go plugin = availPlugins[k]

02:33 <waxjar> take womble's 1) then and parsed_json["plugin"].flat_map { |plugin_name, plugin_settings| plugin.settings.keys }.uniq

02:33 <womble> You've been using Ruby for years... and you're using `for i in`...

02:33 <CM-Punk> As a rough draft, yes

02:34 <waxjar> btw, there is a tool that lets you start a cinch bot using yaml configuration. seems like you're trying to do something similar

02:36 <CM-Punk> waxjar, yes, but I'm trying to do it my own way.

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02:38 <CM-Punk> waxjar, thank you

02:38 <CM-Punk> I understand that.

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02:50 <dmf_> hi I'm trying to take querystring or JSON data as POST params in sinatra

02:50 <dmf_> http://pastebin.com/EMTstFAU

02:51 <dmf_> but even when the if statement is not met, params is set to ""

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02:52 <womble> dmf_: To determine whether you've got a query string or JSON data, you probably want to check request['Content-Type']

02:53 <dmf_> womble: thanks that's a good tip. Was trying to think of a way to figure that out

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02:56 <dmf_> womble: params still gets overwritten for some reason tho

02:57 <womble> dmf_: It's possible sinatra's doing that on its own.

02:57 <dmf_> think it is

02:57 <dmf_> I tried the same in irb and it works as I was expecting

02:57 <dmf_> but via sinatra doesn't work

02:58 <dmf_> I tried sinatra channel but not much activity there

02:59 <womble> My guess would be that Sinatra is reading request.body itself, leaving nothing there for you

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03:04 <dmf_> hmmm if I comment out the params line querystrings show up in params

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03:24 <dmf_> ok I ended up using a different var to get around sintra mangling the params var

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04:02 <rickrobs> hey all, I'm looking for some guidance for a ruby app I'm working on. I have some experience with building Rails apps but now I want to build a ruby app that sits on a raspberry pi and listens to a port is all

04:02 <rickrobs> I ran into a gem called daemons that looks like it will be good for starting the script up and backgrounding i t

04:02 <rickrobs> does that sound like a good approach?

04:03 <womble> Yep, that'll work.

04:03 <rickrobs> cool thanks @womble. So my other question is about updating that script

04:04 <rickrobs> are there any good ways to do updates?

04:04 <womble> Copy the new version of the script into place and restart it

04:05 <rickrobs> ok so my current idea is to use git and do a git pull to pull new versions. Basically I want it to be able to check and see if it should update on its own. I was thinking of having another script run nightly as a cron job.

04:05 <rickrobs> if it saw that there was a new version I was going to have it pull the new version or soemthing

04:06 <rickrobs> I'm kinda making this all up as I go lol. I think it'll work but wanted to make sure there wasn't a better way out there

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04:07 <womble> rickrobs: Yeah, git pull can work. Alternately you can git push the new version when it's ready

04:07 <womble> Which is pretty much how Heroku does deployments

04:07 <womble> Although it doesn't work so well when you've got lots of places running the program you want to update

04:07 <womble> Pushing to lots of places gets boring real fast

04:07 <rickrobs> yeah I hopefully will have a bunch of these running

04:07 <rickrobs> so they will kind of have to check on their own

04:08 <rickrobs> but yeah that helps a lot

04:08 <rickrobs> thanks for the sanity check

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08:49 <pwnz0r> hey guys, ive been working on a very simple problem, and cant seem to figure out why im getting it wrong. any help would be great. refer to the gist to see the problem. https://gist.github.com/mbaptist23/ca49cd40abc227e8a101. posted in #ruby as well but discussion is focused elsewhere atm

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09:22 <yorickpeterse> morning

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09:40 <womble> pwnz0r: From where did you dig that poorly-specified mess of a question? Looks like it's come from a first year programming course taught by the Sociology department.

09:40 <womble> (Apologies to any holders of a B.CS (Sociology) who might be in the channel)

09:40 <pwnz0r> haha. its from hackerrank.com

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09:41 <pwnz0r> some folks from #ruby help me see my flaws and poor coding style any how

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09:42 <womble> Well, good stuff.

09:43 * womble makes a note to avoid hackerrank.com

09:45 <ljarvis> pwnz0r: I don't understand the question

09:45 <ljarvis> given an array and a number, print the array element at the index of number?

09:46 <womble> ljarvis: As a bonus, the example input/output doesn't match the question specification!

09:46 <pwnz0r> the question should be written as: given an array of integers. return the first index at which you find a certain value

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09:46 <ljarvis> right, so a completely different question to the one in your gist

09:47 <yorickpeterse> >> [10, 20, 30, 10].index(10)

09:47 <eval-in> yorickpeterse => 0 (https://eval.in/241663)

09:47 <pwnz0r> exactly. i copied the question straight from the site though. not my words.

09:48 <pwnz0r> they give the length for people programming in C

09:48 <womble> You don't need the length, even programming in C.

09:49 <pwnz0r> how so. what if the value isnt in the array

09:49 <ljarvis> pwnz0r: anyway, what yorickpeterse says should work

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09:50 <womble> pwnz0r: Well, according to the problem specification, the needle *must* be in the array, because there's no valid way to represent the element being missing

09:50 <pwnz0r> correct.

09:51 <womble> But even so, if the element's missing, you still don't need the length of the array in order to be able to solve the problem in C.

09:51 <womble> And you don't need malloc() either

09:51 <womble> Hell, you never even need to read the entire array, because as soon as you get an element larger than the needle, you can exit, because the array is specified as being sorted.

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10:00 <wnd> pwnz0r, to answer your original question: array[0] is "4\n", not "4"

10:00 <pwnz0r> ya figured that out from the #ruby guys. just have to array[0].chomp

10:00 <pwnz0r> then good to go.

10:01 <pwnz0r> anyways, im off to bed. but before i go. anyone know of an interesting ruby project that is interested in contributors?

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10:04 <ljarvis> pwnz0r: github.com/mojombo/chronic

10:08 <pwnz0r> cool ill check it out

10:08 <ljarvis>

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10:56 <yorickpeterse> wtf

10:56 <yorickpeterse> I have this project that corrupts itself

10:56 <yorickpeterse> syntax wise

10:56 <yorickpeterse> run tests, fucks up all files

10:56 <yorickpeterse> but Git doesn't detect any changes

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11:35 <[spoiler]> yorickpeterse, wat

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11:36 <yorickpeterse> exactly

11:36 <yorickpeterse> I fixed it by running git fsck/gc 15 times

11:36 <yorickpeterse> magic

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11:40 <[spoiler]> LOL

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12:18 <banister> yorickpeterse have you seen this one? http://www.lux-nijmegen.nl/agenda/film/premi%E8res/aanmodderfakker_24822/

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12:22 <surrounder> ehe nice title

12:25 <banister> surrounder what does the title mean exactly?

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12:26 <banister> surrounder great movie btw, i watched it on the plane back from tokyo

12:26 <banister> surrounder i loved it, encouraged me to check out more dutch films actually :)

12:27 <surrounder> combo 'aanmodder' (to mess around) and modderfakker (you can guess that one)

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12:34 <[spoiler]> I just learned about fikas the other day

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12:40 <banister> surrounder you seen that movie?

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12:42 <surrounder> nope

12:43 <banister> surrounder you should check it out :)

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13:16 <ruby-lang514> hi, i need to help for programm a little ruby script

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13:41 <ljarvis> can anyone think of a better way of looking for sequences than `x.each_cons(y.size).find { |s| s == y }` ?

13:42 <apeiros> ljarvis: you try to find y in x?

13:42 <apeiros> as in, y = [3,4,5] and x = [*1..10] f.ex.?

13:42 <ljarvis> apeiros: yessir

13:43 <apeiros> I think that's probably the nices solution. if you're looking for performance, see substring matching algorithms.

13:43 <apeiros> there are a couple of faster ones.

13:43 <ljarvis> yep not bothered about perf that much, was previously doing index checking which was quite performant

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13:44 <apeiros> you can use each_cons(…).include?(y)

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13:44 <ljarvis> yeah im actually doing .each { |x| call(*x) if x == y } hence adapting to find, include would be nice, though

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13:45 <apeiros> I see

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14:03 <cantaberry> Hi.

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14:08 <cantaberry> Need help with what will seems like a stupid problem... I have this hash of hashes with ID and PID (http://pastebin.com/SSs8dvtA) and I want to create a string representation for each branch from root to bottom like Root-Child1-Grandchild1-Greatgrandchild1.... I don't know at run time the depth or breadth of the tree.

14:08 <cantaberry> I'm a good hacker but a horrible programmer and I'm struggling with this, but I'm sure it's a common algorythm design pattern...

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14:09 <cantaberry> Can anybody provide any direction? I've been struggling with this one for about 12 hours.

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14:17 <canton7> cantaberry, like this: https://eval.in/241750

14:18 <ljarvis> that's not a tree

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14:19 <canton7> hmm, there's an error in there somewhere methinks

14:20 <canton7> ah, maybe not

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14:28 <canton7> cantaberry ...? does that suit your needs?

14:28 <cantaberry> canton7: sorry. boss distracted me.

14:28 <cantaberry> looking.

14:28 <canton7> :p

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14:29 <cantaberry> canton: I think that's the 80 for 20...

14:30 <cantaberry> I'm trying to read throug hthe cod...

14:30 <cantaberry> map perplexes me...

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14:32 <canton7> map is a transformation. '[1, 2, 3].map{ |x| x * 2 }' means "for each element in the input array, output an element which is twice that"

14:33 <canton7> >> [1, 2, 3].map{ |x| x*2 }

14:33 <eval-in> canton7 => [2, 4, 6] (https://eval.in/241761)

14:33 <canton7> in my code, it means "for each process in the processes array, output its name"

14:33 <canton7> maybe https://eval.in/241763 makes more sense?

14:33 <Rylee> >> [1, 3, 5, 7, 9].map &:to_s

14:33 <eval-in> Rylee => ["1", "3", "5", "7", "9"] (https://eval.in/241764)

14:34 <Rylee> ruby <3

14:35 <ljarvis> >> (1..10).map(&method(:rand))

14:35 <eval-in> ljarvis => [0, 1, 0, 2, 0, 2, 4, 2, 3, 4] (https://eval.in/241765)

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14:43 <canton7> >> 10.times.map{ |n| [n, rand] }

14:43 <eval-in> canton7 => [[0, 0.5929979518106666], [1, 0.37184796078942395], [2, 0.13355371131208582], [3, 0.2732885600963789], [4, 0.13726797545936187], [5, 0.3965094114254909], [6, 0.47853947961899157], [7, 0.193463755232086 ... (https://eval.in/241770)

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14:45 <cantaberry> canton7: what does the "+ [node] do in the explore_process(noes, node["ParentID"]) + [node], that seems like an odd construct when the function only takes 2 arguements.

14:46 <jhass> the method call is explore_process(noes, node["ParentID"]), the + [node] acts on its return value

14:47 <canton7> it takes the "process parent list" from the parent process, and adds the current process to it

14:47 <jhass> didn't look at the code, but I guess it returns an array. Array#+ concatenates two arrays

14:48 <canton7> it's pretty much the same as "push" or "<<", but I didn't want to mutate the array returned by explore_process

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14:48 <canton7> (in hindsight push or << would have been fine, but I'm always wary of mutating when doing recursion)

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14:51 <cantaberry> So everytime, s is the full hash...

14:51 <ljarvis> yorickpeterse: do you know what this guy is on about? https://github.com/leejarvis/slop/issues/158#issuecomment-69754749

14:51 <canton7> yeah, s is never changed

14:52 <cantaberry> And you're jsut sending it one of the specific ID keys of that hash.

14:52 <canton7> yup, print out 'pid' each time explore_process is called, if you want

14:52 <canton7> I could have made 's' global, but that stinks a bit

14:53 <cantaberry> sorry to be dense, but I am really trying to undestand this recursion since it's vexed me for a coupld of days.

14:53 <canton7> get out a paper, pencil, and write down what's happening at each stage

14:54 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: lemme see

14:54 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: Ah

14:54 <Rylee> >> (1..10).map { |x| x * x }.reduce &:+

14:54 <eval-in> Rylee => 385 (https://eval.in/241774)

14:54 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: He's in dependency hell

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14:55 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: if a specific Gem does "~> 3.0" and another does "~> 4.0" I believe RubyGems will refuse to install or otherwise shit itself

14:55 <yorickpeterse> though that might've been when using "= ..." isntead

14:55 <yorickpeterse> * instead

14:55 <ljarvis> yorickpeterse: yeah maybe, but I don't think he's doing that. I just commented again

14:55 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: ruby-lint in this case uses ['~> 3.4', '>= 3.4.7']

14:55 <ljarvis> he mentioned pry and ruby-lint, both use v3 of slop

14:55 <yorickpeterse> since I haven't updated it to Slop 4 yet

14:55 <ljarvis> yep, so he's saying gem update fails

14:56 <yorickpeterse> hm

14:56 <ljarvis> as in, like it's trying to install v4.. which it shouldn't

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14:56 <ljarvis> and if it does, that's rubygems fault

14:59 <cantaberry> canton7: what is []

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14:59 <cantaberry> Is that an anonymous array?

14:59 <ljarvis> cantaberry: yes

15:01 <jhass> arrays don't have names, they only can be assigned to variables, like all objects. So the term "anonymous array" doesn't make a whole lot of sense ;)

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15:02 <canton7> cantaberry, 'an array', yes

15:02 <workmad3> array literal

15:02 <cantaberry> :)

15:02 <cantaberry> Ears, smoking.

15:02 <cantaberry> But you could create a var and put the explore + [node] recursion in it and then return that var, right?

15:03 <cantaberry> It's just cleaner without thta.

15:03 <ljarvis> such pedants

15:03 * workmad3 checks

15:03 <workmad3> yup, still in a programming IRC channel

15:03 <ljarvis> it's exactly what he thought it was

15:03 <canton7> heh, to me, this is clearer

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15:04 <workmad3> ljarvis: pedantry is important for programming ;)

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15:05 <ljarvis> workmad3: I completely agree, at a certain level.. :)

15:05 <yorickpeterse> WHY DOES NOBOY EVER END THEIR SENTENCES WITH A DOT?

15:06 <yorickpeterse> (talking about pedantics)

15:06 <yorickpeterse> oh shit

15:06 <yorickpeterse> .

15:06 <yorickpeterse> :<

15:06 <jhass> yorickpeterse: to save the environment! every byte counts!

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15:06 <workmad3> yorickpeterse: do you find it amusing that you, yourself, just ended that sentence without a full stop? (although you did use a correct, sentence-ending punctuation mark at least :) )

15:06 <surrounder> http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/70/7d/b3/707db321127a5968e1a54d4da73b47a4.jpg - that's why

15:06 <ljarvis> NOBOY? That's sexist, go to jail do not collect $200

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15:06 <yorickpeterse> oh shit

15:06 <yorickpeterse> .

15:07 <yorickpeterse> workmad3: my life is riddled with irony.

15:07 <workmad3> yorickpeterse: I assume there's more irony in your life than full-stops in your paragraphs? :)

15:09 <yorickpeterse> hush

15:11 <cantaberry> Beautiful!

15:11 <cantaberry> Thanks.

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15:11 <cantaberry> With a little tweaking, I got EXACTLY what I needed and I've almost got a reasonable understanding of the recursion...

15:11 <cantaberry> Almost.

15:11 <cantaberry> :)

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15:12 <workmad3> cantaberry: in general, syntax that directly creates an object you can later use, such as [], 12, "foobar", is referred to as a literal

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15:12 <workmad3> (array literal, integer literal, string literal, etc.)

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15:15 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: unrelated, every time I see people mention ruby-lint in some shape or form I'm surprised they're not overloading me with bug reports

15:16 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: I know there are a bunch of bugs in it, or general oddities, but either nobody encounters them or nobody cares

15:16 <ljarvis> yorickpeterse: bug free #1 programmer

15:16 <yorickpeterse> 10x yo

15:16 <yorickpeterse> get on my level

15:16 <canton7> cantaberry, :)

15:17 <ljarvis> yorickpeterse: did you make a rubyfmt yet?

15:18 <yorickpeterse> lol no, I'd get death threats for disagreeing with the "official" (aka made up) styleguide

15:18 <ljarvis> :D

15:18 <yorickpeterse> I do think rubocop has some rewriting capabilities

15:18 <ljarvis> oh yeah right you love some explicit returns

15:18 <yorickpeterse> Yeah

15:18 <yorickpeterse> That alone already condemns me to burn in hell forever

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15:19 <ljarvis> yep i'll raise some fire to that

15:19 * jhass chips in

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15:20 <yorickpeterse> now now ladies, only one at a time

15:22 <yorickpeterse> YAY MORE GIT CORRUPTIONS

15:22 <yorickpeterse> what the fuck is this

15:22 <yorickpeterse> maybe my HDD is dying

15:22 <yorickpeterse> well, time for ye olde fsck

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15:22 <ljarvis> for some reason when I picture yorickpeterse working I imagine it inside a war zone

15:23 <ljarvis> guys and fire surrounding

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15:23 <ljarvis> people screaming and crying

15:23 <ljarvis> and he's all "FUCK THIS MONGO"

15:30 <benlovell> me too

15:30 <benlovell> i see table flipping

15:30 <benlovell> lots of table flipping

15:31 <workmad3> if yorickpeterse could play with tables, there'd be less rage </bad-mongo-joke>

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15:34 <yorickpeterse> actually it's pretty calm usually, just some mumbling/swearing at times

15:34 <yorickpeterse> Allrighty, seems a git fsck and a system fsck did the trick so far

15:35 <yorickpeterse> but I might want to start looking into a new HDD if this continues

15:35 <yorickpeterse> (where "my" means "my boss")

15:36 <cantaberry> Again, y'all rock. Thank you!

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15:38 <yorickpeterse> Also, next week we'll hopefully have 1 less Mongo DB to worry about

15:38 <yorickpeterse> almost done with this darn Pg migration

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15:43 <yorickpeterse> nice, found a HAML view containing a pile of inline JS

15:44 <yorickpeterse> wot sprockets

15:44 <workmad3> yorickpeterse: tasty

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16:37 <pricees> \q

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16:37 <ljarvis> awkward

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16:50 <mateusz_> What is the proper way of sharing configuration info (set once at start of program, later unchanged)? Currently I am using global variables but it is obviously not how it should be done.

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16:51 <mateusz_> I thought about making lass with static variables, so it would be restricted - but is there some better solution?

16:52 <ljarvis> mateusz_: store them on some config class

16:53 <mateusz_> ljarvis: Is it OK to use static variables in that class that would be set at start of the program, before using any real funcionality? I intend to make my project usable as a gem.

16:53 <ljarvis> mateusz_: yep sure. Configuration classes are quite popular, and eager loading is even better

16:54 <mateusz_> ljarvis: Thanks!

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16:54 <ljarvis> mateusz_: another popular patter is to use a 'config' method on your top level module, and then @config ||= Configuration.new(...); then you can do Foo.config.x everywhere

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16:54 <ljarvis> pattern*

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17:10 <yorickpeterse> ugh, Arel

17:11 <yorickpeterse> Perhaps the biggest mistake of 2013 was writing our data processing scheduler largely in Arel

17:11 <yorickpeterse> good thing I democratically decided to rewrite that in Sequel soon ™

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17:19 <ljarvis> sometimes I think rust is just one big troll

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17:27 <ericwood> what's wrong with Arel?

17:27 <ericwood> I haven't worked with it much on its own, just through AR

17:27 <whitequark> ljarvis: rust?

17:28 <ljarvis> whitequark: rust.

17:28 <ericwood> rust!!

17:29 <jhass> Crystal?!

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22:11 <ljarvis> weaksauce: some of the syntax decisions are quite distracting

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22:11 <weaksauce> ljarvis do you have an example?

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22:11 <weaksauce> any examples*

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22:13 <ljarvis> weaksauce: I don't like the syntax for generic function params, i.e parse::<int>()

22:13 <ljarvis> it's mostly a personal decision, but i think it's distracting and in some areas there are better decisions

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22:15 <ljarvis> I also wonder when languages got so far away from Java/C that it uses some silly syntax for function return types

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22:15 <weaksauce> yeah, I can see that. since it's so statically typed with different classes of memory allocation and ownership there are a lot of weird little sigils and conventions.

22:15 <ljarvis> what was wrong with int foo()

22:16 <ljarvis> yeah, and "foo".to_string() just makes me giggle, though i know why it's required

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22:16 <weaksauce> well, it's a 1.0 language. who knows what the future holds as they improve it. C# was pretty bad at 1.0 and now it's quite nice

22:17 <wallerdev> what language are we talking about

22:17 <ljarvis> C# is a great language

22:17 <ljarvis> wallerdev: rust

22:18 <ljarvis> funny thing is, I *really* like the Java syntax. I'm not a fan of the jvm or some language issues, but the syntax is great imo

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22:18 <weaksauce> ljarvis I agree it's good language. a bit verbose but well designed and nicely implemented

22:18 <whitequark> ljarvis: public static void death()

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22:19 <ljarvis> whitequark: :)

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22:27 <ljarvis> i dont understand why stuff like range syntax ends up being built into languages

22:28 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: you forgot final

22:28 <ljarvis> give people lots of options and you start confusing them. People then preach the "rust way" is a certain way. Exactly the same as Ruby, and Scala is the worst for this

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22:29 <yorickpeterse> I still like impl blocks with lifetimes

22:29 <yorickpeterse> impl<'l> Foo<'l> { ... }

22:29 <ljarvis> heh

22:30 <yorickpeterse> why the fuck does the implementation need a lifetime? It exists forever

22:31 <ljarvis> mpl<'a, T> ImmutableVector<'a, T> for &'a [T] { fn head<'a>(&'a self) -> Option<&'a T> { if self.len() == 0 { None } else { Some(&self[0]) } } }

22:32 <bnagy> o_0

22:32 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: did you just smash your head on the keyboard?

22:32 <ljarvis> yes, and valid rust syntax came out

22:32 <ljarvis> magical, isn't it

22:32 <yorickpeterse> I can't even

22:33 <bnagy> so you're saying you're like tab in eclipse, but for Rust?

22:33 <whitequark> ljarvis: why not?

22:33 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: ... what?

22:33 <ljarvis> whitequark: to what question is that directed?

22:33 <whitequark> ljarvis: range syntax

22:33 <yorickpeterse> whitequark: re the Java syntax

22:33 <ljarvis> whitequark: i described my dislike in the next line

22:33 <yorickpeterse> should've been public static final void death()

22:33 <whitequark> generally, if something is often used, make syntax for it

22:33 <ljarvis> lol

22:34 <whitequark> that's literally the only syntax guideline that makes any sense.

22:34 <whitequark> everything else is opinionated bullshi

22:34 <whitequark> t

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22:34 <yorickpeterse> I can think of so many bad jokes now

22:34 <ljarvis> it doesn't make that non opinionated

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22:35 <whitequark> ljarvis: it does. it places absolutely no constraints on how people should or should not use your language

22:35 <ljarvis> it bothers me when new languages allow 1 thing to be done a thousand different ways

22:35 <whitequark> pretty much the opposite of "opinionated"

22:35 <ljarvis> whitequark: sure, and the developers of that language add that constraint instead

22:36 <ljarvis> anyone who uses it, in fact

22:36 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: still trying to grok this Rust code

22:36 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: I was talking about impl. you're binding a lifetime, not using it in impl<>

22:36 <yorickpeterse> can't even made heads or tails of it

22:36 <ljarvis> "bro, why are you using range(1, 10); you know 1..10 works and is more optimised blah blah blah?"

22:36 <ljarvis> yorickpeterse: it's just adding the lifetime manually to the function, it's optional and added to make my point

22:36 <yorickpeterse> right

22:37 <yorickpeterse> so you're cheating

22:37 <whitequark> if different syntax for same thing in your language has performance implications, it's way too broken for any serious discussion :]

22:37 <ljarvis> it's valid

22:37 <ljarvis> :D

22:37 <ljarvis> whitequark: right, that might not be correct but it's besides the point

22:38 <ljarvis> also, rust trying to be as functional as haskell or ocaml just makes it looks like the fat kid trying to put on skinny pants

22:38 <ljarvis> if you can't tell, i actually quite like rust... :D

22:39 <womble> But not fat kids...

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22:39 <jkyle> heya

22:39 <ljarvis> i was a fat kid

22:39 <ljarvis> so no

22:39 <ljarvis> :D

22:39 <yorickpeterse> ljarvis: dude you're like 5 metres tall

22:40 <yorickpeterse> did you just squeeze yourself?

22:40 <ljarvis> psh, 6 foot 2"

22:40 <jkyle> two questions: a) How can I specify the directory to install new gems into and b) where can I tweak the system configuration so that ruby will look in those new paths for gems?

22:40 <yorickpeterse> from like ( ) to ||

22:40 <ljarvis> i wasn't that tall as a kid

22:40 <ljarvis> :D

22:40 <yorickpeterse> also what the fuck is 6 foot 2"

22:40 <yorickpeterse> metrics please

22:40 <jkyle> so far, I've found /usr/share/rubygems/rubygems.rb which looks like it's setting some paths

22:40 <ljarvis> yorickpeterse: :|

22:41 <ljarvis> 1.8796 metres

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22:41 <ljarvis> jkyle: I think you can tweak the env config, see gem env

22:41 <yorickpeterse> hm, that makes you taller than the average Dutch person

22:41 <yorickpeterse> which is apparently 1,76m, which is odd since most people are taller than that

22:42 <ljarvis> heh

22:42 <yorickpeterse> oh hm

22:42 <yorickpeterse> according to Wikipedia it's 1,80m

22:42 <ljarvis> i rarely feel im tall, then i go to work and everyone is short

22:42 <ljarvis> and my partner is quite short

22:42 <whitequark> ljarvis: rust isn't going to be as functional as ocaml, it's fairly clear at this point

22:42 <yorickpeterse> I'm a smurf for Dutch standards

22:42 <whitequark> regions and no gc don't really make for very idiomatic functional code

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22:43 <ljarvis> heh

22:43 <ljarvis> right, and I don't want it to be

22:43 <ljarvis> im saying it's trying to be

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22:44 <whitequark> I dunno what do you mean by "trying"

22:44 <whitequark> it doesn't even provide tail calls, come on

22:44 <ljarvis> right, it's failing

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22:44 <yorickpeterse> even Rubby is more functional

22:45 <yorickpeterse> for MRI at least lets you enable tail call optimization :D

22:45 <whitequark> ljarvis: ... that's only assuming it is trying at all, and it doesn't really look so to me

22:45 <ljarvis> ok

22:45 <whitequark> it has ADTs and pattern matching, sure

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22:46 <whitequark> you don't have any other sane typesafe way to represent unions

22:46 <ljarvis> haskell is my dirty secret

22:47 <yorickpeterse> at least it's more readable, usually

22:48 <ljarvis> i love reading it

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22:49 <ljarvis> C is probably still my fav language to write, apart from ruby :S

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22:50 <whitequark> burn the heretic

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22:51 <yorickpeterse> ok you lost me there ljarvis

22:51 <yorickpeterse> Rust, Haskell, C

22:51 <yorickpeterse> next thing you're telling us you're using emacs

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22:51 <ljarvis> i'd never go that far

22:52 <ljarvis> i spend too much time hacking with different languages :/

22:52 <ljarvis> if lua was less stupid i'd use that all the time

22:52 <jkyle> I dig c++11. golang's been fun. for general purpose statistics, I think Julia has legs. Currently, for analytical or math oriented work Python

22:53 <yorickpeterse> I just do Ruby and C

22:53 <mrgoodcat> what's wrong with Rust, Haskell, and C?

22:53 <yorickpeterse> something something "I'm old"

22:53 <ljarvis> i wanna try nim a bit more, i write golang most days now and i like it, but it's hella boring (which is a good thing, really)

22:54 <yorickpeterse> Does Go still throw a syntax error when you do this?:

22:54 <yorickpeterse> foo

22:54 <yorickpeterse> {

22:54 <yorickpeterse> }

22:54 <darix> jkyle: why not "R"?

22:54 <yorickpeterse> (for function definitions that is)

22:54 <yorickpeterse> http://play.golang.org/p/aC9jdh4RAA lol it does

22:54 <ljarvis> yorickpeterse: thank god

22:55 <ljarvis> even when i write C i hate that shit

22:55 <darix> ljarvis +1

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22:55 <yorickpeterse> actually in C it's pretty useful

22:55 <ljarvis> function sigs should be 1 line

22:55 <ljarvis> not 3

22:55 <yorickpeterse> for conditionals you can easily comment out the condition and have the rest still run

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22:56 <ljarvis> yeah i can do that by putting my cursor before {, hitting return, then commenting out the line and keeping my sanity :D

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22:57 <yorickpeterse> I honestly stopped giving a darn about foo { vs foo \n {, I just use the latter because I've been using it for years now

22:58 <yorickpeterse> Although I stopped using it in JS because Vim's JS support for foo \n { is shit

22:58 <ljarvis> heh

23:00 <ljarvis> anyway, when i finish my language in about 25 years then what else will I need!

23:00 <mrgoodcat> yorickpeterse: that error is intentional

23:00 <ljarvis> he knows

23:00 <mrgoodcat> Go strictly enforces syle conventions

23:00 <yorickpeterse> I'm aware of the rationale, I just think Rob Pike might've smoked a bit too much when working on golang

23:00 <ljarvis> that said, gofmt should auto-fix those imo

23:01 <yorickpeterse> "disregard generics, acquire syntax errors"

23:01 <ljarvis> yorickpeterse: psh, totally kens idea

23:01 <jkyle> darix: R is ok, long in the tooth. Julia is very, very new...so was mentioning what I'd found from this generation of new languages for statistics and analytics. Python's math libraries are performant and well tested and python's more generalized than R (so easier to integrate into other things)

23:01 <darix> jkyle: there is also http://torch.ch/

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23:01 <jkyle> darix: yep, ran into that

23:01 <jkyle> trying to remember who was using that...a big name in statistics

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23:02 <yorickpeterse> oh github http://downloads.yorickpeterse.com/images/screenshot_140115_00%3a02%3a40.png

23:03 <ljarvis> D:

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23:03 <yorickpeterse> I took the liberty of removing half of the (unused) codebase

23:03 <ljarvis> now do "Java Migration" and see if anyone notices

23:03 <jkyle> darix: one thing that caught my interst in julia (used it for a couple of projects) is that it approaches near C speeds in a lot of calculations

23:03 <darix> jkyle: well because they hook on libgmp

23:04 <darix> i saw a benchmark for this stuff not long ago

23:04 <jkyle> darix: they use a lot of tricks

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23:05 <darix> jkyle: sure

23:05 <darix> nn

23:06 <darix> jkyle: http://www.wilfred.me.uk/blog/2014/10/20/the-fastest-bigint-in-the-west/

23:07 <jkyle> yorickpeterse: I like formatting as a core language requirement. makes for very consistent reading of source

23:07 * yorickpeterse read that as "the fattest bigint"

23:07 <jkyle> darix: sold. I'm migrating to php

23:08 <yorickpeterse> oh what's that, rbx is faster than MRI?

23:08 <yorickpeterse> well clearly that's a scam

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23:09 <yorickpeterse> also lol PHP

23:09 <yorickpeterse> totally webscale there

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23:09 <jkyle> article says php is converting them to strings

23:09 <ljarvis> i mean, technically php is webscale

23:10 <darix> it probably beats us at printing the number then ;)

23:10 <yorickpeterse> "However, it doesn’t have a BigInt data type, so its arbitrary size numerical functions take and return strings!"

23:10 <yorickpeterse> hahahaha

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23:11 <yorickpeterse> it's sad half the planet uses the piece of garbage

23:11 <jkyle> it's because of documentation

23:11 <jkyle> that keeps it alive

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23:12 <yorickpeterse> Ah yes the wonderful comments on every page from 10 years back

23:12 <yorickpeterse> "This fixed it for me: @some_function_call()"

23:12 <jkyle> php.net/<search term>

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23:12 <jkyle> it's generally "good enough" and it's really easy to search. it's also presented in a way that a non programmer can grok

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23:13 <ljarvis> that bignum for rbx is very nice

23:13 <yorickpeterse> http://php.net/array_search#90711

23:13 <yorickpeterse> WHY IS THERE A RETURN FOLLOWED BY A BREAK?

23:13 <yorickpeterse> THE BREAK NEVER EXECUTES

23:13 <ljarvis> sometimes you just need a break

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23:14 <yorickpeterse> I wonder if I can scrape all the Emails of php.net

23:14 <jkyle> I bet if you copy/pasta it it works :P

23:14 <yorickpeterse> basically what I do for a living anyway, lets see

23:14 <brixen> I wonder why more people don't use Haskell, GHC obviously kills it for bignums

23:15 <brixen> also, I wonder what they're actually doing

23:15 <brixen> like, maybe they didn't compute anything at all lol

23:15 <yorickpeterse> 1.to_bignum + 1.to_bignum

23:15 <darix> brixen: functional programming is pretty different what most people are used to

23:15 <jkyle> though...I do have to wonder why he does a strpos check instead of just a string comparison. considering strpos is going to iterate over the entire array each time lol

23:15 <brixen> darix: I was making a joke about laziness ;)

23:16 <brixen> darix: oh, you mean why people don't use it... that was rhetorical

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23:20 <yorickpeterse> "bad URI(is not URI?): http://php.net/array_search" what the fuck Ruby

23:20 <headius> wow, what's up with that font

23:20 <headius> I can barely read that derpy r

23:20 <yorickpeterse> >> require 'uri'; URI.parse("http://php.net/array_search")

23:20 <eval-in> yorickpeterse => #<URI::HTTP http://php.net/array_search> (https://eval.in/242042)

23:20 <yorickpeterse> wat

23:20 <yorickpeterse> oh

23:20 <yorickpeterse> derp

23:21 <yorickpeterse> newline

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23:21 <yorickpeterse> bah, php.net has invalid HTML of sorts

23:21 <yorickpeterse> well, off to Nokogiri then

23:21 <ljarvis> headius: the t is getting me too :(

23:21 <womble> To be fair, anything on php.net is likely to be pretty bad...

23:22 <headius> well they're not doing themselves any favors with that font

23:22 <headius> it's like a slap in the face

23:22 <jkyle> damn, got distracted. back to how to add gem paths to the system wide lookup and to install gems into a specific directory

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23:22 <jkyle> hachiya: the font doesn't look bad to me...could you be missing the font?

23:23 <headius> ljarvis: the t is weird but not unreadable...the r on the other hand looks like it stood too close to a meat slicer

23:23 <ljarvis> headius: yep.. the & is also delightful

23:23 <bradland> what is this, Trebuchet MS?

23:23 <headius> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1xzuovag79wd7uq/Screenshot%202015-01-13%2017.23.32.png?dl=0

23:23 <ljarvis> normal 0.875rem/1.5rem "Fira Mono", "Source Code Pro", monospace

23:23 <headius> that's how it looks for me

23:23 <ljarvis> http://cl.ly/image/0c0J1t021y0K

23:24 <headius> weird

23:24 <headius> I'd never use that for coding

23:24 <jkyle> looks the same. guess I'm just not as sensitive to font type

23:24 <ljarvis> i wouldn't use that for anything

23:24 <bradland> this is a Trebuchet MS knock off

23:24 <ljarvis> iecuisive_aiiay_seaich

23:24 <bradland> and Trebuchet MS wasn’t a great font

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23:26 <yorickpeterse> yay I have a list of Emails

23:26 <yorickpeterse> that took way too long

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23:28 <ljarvis> ok im going to bed, good day all

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23:36 <jkyle> ok, from what I can tell. If you do this: GEM_PATH=/foo/bar/bah gem install blah

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23:36 <jkyle> it will install to /foo/bar/bah. But it doesn't 'see' the gems already intstalled into the default paths

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23:38 <jkyle> what I want is to install into /foo/bar/bah by default. But to still use the global gem paths lookup and to include /foo/bar/bah in the default gem paths list (without having to set GEM_PATH or the what not)

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23:50 <womble> jkyle: You want to change the defaults, but you don't want to have to change anything in the config?

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23:52 <jkyle> config is fine. but setting environment variables usually doesn't work for, say, daemon's environments unless you configure those environment variables for each process. If there's a /etc/ruby.conf or something that's guaranteed to be loaded in each runtime that would work

23:53 <jkyle> putting GEM_PATH settings in /etc/profile wouldn't work, though, since it's not parsed by things like apache

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