apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.2.0; 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<nofxx> Any idea why I'm getting 'undefined method `load_file' for Psych:Module' in a YAML.load_file ... pretty weird, if I run bin/mygem it works, installed `mygem` fails...
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<needingsomehelp> Can you guys help me out, i'm kinda new to this ruby thing and i'm trying to install the jekyll gem, but it always gives me an error
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<centrx> needingsomehelp, hard to say without seeing the error
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<centrx> needingsomehelp, It might be related to SSLv3 being turned off
<centrx> needingsomehelp, Otherwise the site's SSL is broken or there's a network problem
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<needingsomehelp> Can you guys help me out, i'm kinda new to this ruby thing and i'm trying to install the jekyll gem, but it always gives me an error, here's the error: http://imgur.com/bsYpxm5
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<nofxx> crazy bug with psych... if I load it on my lib/gem.rb fails, loading it inside the def that calls YAML.load_file works.... err: 'undefined method `load_file' for Psych:Module'
<nofxx> psych > 2.0.8 fails*
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<[spoiler]> Good morning
<tokp> morning :)
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<tokp> Hi everyone:) its posible to use in Ruby script shortcut like "ctrl + c" without pushing this buttons?
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<womble> tokp: Ctrl-C just raises an Interrupt exception.
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<[spoiler]> womble, tokp: it also sends a SIGINT (you can trap it using Kernel#trap, or more explicitly `Signal.trap`) before it raises an Exception.
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<womble> [spoiler]: Pressing the buttons sends the signal; emulating that would not involve a SIGINT -- unless you wanted to send the signal yourself, I guess.
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<[spoiler]> womble: Oh I misunderstood. I didn't get he wanted to emulate it from within Ruby
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<secondwave> hello, im trying to get my ruby 1.9.3 to version 2.1.5 if possible or 2.0. I keep getting errors tried many different ways and getting different erros… In some cases it installs fine then when i do ruby -V its still says 1.9.3.
<secondwave> Im on MAC 10.10
<secondwave> Maverics
<secondwave> yosemite sorry
<secondwave> when i ran this
<secondwave> rvm reinstall 2.1.3 --disable-binary
<secondwave> i got this error: Version '2.1.3' is to confusing to select ruby interpreter.
<secondwave> Cannot remove unknown package ''
<secondwave> CC=clang rvm reinstall ruby-head
<secondwave> gives me There has been an error while trying to fetch the repository.
<secondwave> Halting the installation.
<secondwave> There has been an error fetching the ruby interpreter. Halting the installation.
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<secondwave> Could not update RVM, get some help at #rvm IRC channel at freenode servers. Soo… here i am :D
<secondwave> if anyone could help that would be amazing :D
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<[spoiler]> Hmm
<[spoiler]> It's right though...
<[spoiler]> What's the output of `rvm list local`?
<[spoiler]> sorry
<[spoiler]> `rvm list`
<[spoiler]> or `rvm list rubies`
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<[spoiler]> Essentially, what you're looking for is `rvm upgrade 1.9.3 2.1` (there's no 2.1.3 yet; only 2.1.1 and 2.1.2)
<yorickpeterse> morning
<[spoiler]> morning yorickpeterse <3
<[spoiler]> secondwave: sorry, I forgot to mention you earlier ^
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<secondwave> sorry im back
<secondwave> il try the output now
<secondwave> two secs
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<secondwave> rvm list local
<secondwave> Usage:
<secondwave> rvm list [action]
<secondwave> Actions:
<secondwave> {help,known,gemsets,default [string],rubies,strings,known_strings,ruby_svn_tags}
<[spoiler]> `rvm list rubies` then
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<ljarvis> rvm implode
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<secondwave> rvm list rubies
<secondwave> rvm rubies
<secondwave> =* ruby-1.9.3-p194 [ x86_64 ]
<secondwave> # => - current
<secondwave> # =* - current && default
<secondwave> # * - default
<yorickpeterse> secondwave: Don't paste into IRC
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<secondwave> sorry
<yorickpeterse> secondwave: use gist.github.com
<secondwave> sure
<secondwave> think thats the link
<secondwave> maybe not lol
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<cdtaylor> The past two days of talking on IRC to programmers to try to learn more has only taught me why people tend to dislike programmers.
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<[spoiler]> cdtaylor: Which is?
<bnagy> cdtaylor: it's a hard knock life
<apeiros_> cdtaylor: because they're broadly generalizing and offensive to whole groups?
<[spoiler]> I am a programmer and I dislike myself; maybe it's not a concidence
* apeiros_ lunch time
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<[spoiler]> Although this isn't therapy so I'll stop now
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<cdtaylor> Well, for example, we were discussing keyboards. I mentioned my backspac key is titled "delete" since I'm on an Apple. The response "I wouldn't know I don't use apple garbage."
<bnagy> cdtaylor: u trollin?
<cdtaylor> [spoiler]: I'm here for you if you need someone to talk to <3 (Yes, divulge all your secrets. They will be useful.... for... friendship. Yes, friendship.)
<yorickpeterse> cdtaylor: Keep in mind that the people on IRC are only a tiny fraction of the entire group
<[spoiler]> That's just the one programmer, or a single opinionated person, it's got nothing to do with the fact they're a programmer probably :P
<yorickpeterse> Although programmers in general are....odd
<cdtaylor> [spoiler]: Eh, there seems to be many of this guy's type.
<yorickpeterse> (to say the least)
<[spoiler]> Rofl, cdtaylor. I made a few real-life close friends over IRC :-)
<cdtaylor> [spoiler]: I've made all but two of my girlfriends on IRC.
<bnagy> :<
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<[spoiler]> cdtaylor: That's because a lot of people are opinionated. I personally don't mind Macs, but I'd never use one because it confuses the fuck out of me and frustrates me. It does not mean it's garbage though :/ I'm sure plent of people like it lol. Don't get worked up over what people on IRC say though
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<surrounder> that.
<cdtaylor> [spoiler]: I'm not worked up. I've just been staring at the screen blankly a lot the past few days thinking, "This guy serious?"
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<cdtaylor> [spoiler]: I'd hate to stereotype/be offensive, but, a lot of guys I've seen the past few days seem to have Aspergers.
<[spoiler]> Note to self (and the rest of the channel): Starting to work out has not improved my typing accuracy, *at all*
<cdtaylor> When them hands are shaking you can't type <3
<[spoiler]> cdtaylor: Well, yorickpeterse did say we're an odd bunch :P
<bnagy> yaaay great to be us though
<surrounder> most channels I'm are filled with odd people, that's why I feel at home
<bnagy> with you two slpafighting about who the fuck knows what sexual shit
<[spoiler]> bnagy: wat
<yorickpeterse> yeah this is such a sexually tinted discussion
<[spoiler]> wat wat in the... I'm not gonna finish that sentence
<ljarvis> I feel like i need to put my wizard hat on
<yorickpeterse> giggity
<[spoiler]> lol
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<bnagy> 18:44 < cdtaylor> [spoiler]: I've made all but two of my girlfriends on IRC.
<cdtaylor> Yup. Made them. Literally. Bots. :] :]
<[spoiler]> Oh Lmao
<[spoiler]> I'm not a girl, I promise
<bnagy> :|
<cdtaylor> Good I can talk to you without peeing myself.
<surrounder> lol
<bnagy> you wound me sir
<bnagy> I was all ready for the sexing
<[spoiler]> sexting*
<cdtaylor> Yes, sexting. Needs the T. Because what's sex without a poster of Mr. T on your ceilling?
<bnagy> wait so is this a fucking PROGRAMMING CHANNEL or did I have a stroke?
<[spoiler]> Ok we're in weird parts of the Internet now; let's get back to Ruby
<cdtaylor> Yes, ruby, the color of my face when a girl realizes I was looking at the Mr. T poster, not her..... uhh..
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<[spoiler]> :|
<cdtaylor> I'm done.
<yorickpeterse> wat
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<cdtaylor> But srsly. Mr. T in Rocky.
<[spoiler]> Gosh, I'm gonna regret this, but...
<cdtaylor> Okay. On topic. Any good game engines in Ruby? I've seen a few online but they're all from like 2010.
* [spoiler] googles "Mr. T"
<ljarvis> oO
<cdtaylor> Wait, you don't know who Mr. T is?
<bnagy> cdtaylor: no :/
<ljarvis> wat
<bnagy> cdtaylor: there's a 2d thing
<cdtaylor> wtfguys
<[spoiler]> Ok I got photoshop brushes
<[spoiler]> confused
<[spoiler]> Oh ok nvm
<yorickpeterse> It's a character from the A-team you bunch of uneducated baboons
<[spoiler]> Thank, yorickpeterse. Thank so much
<cdtaylor> bnagy: Well, I'm super newb programmer, but I guess I know what I'm going to dedicate myself to for the next two years.
<ljarvis> HOW DO PEOPLE NOT KNOW WHO MR T IS
<bnagy> yorickpeterse: pff thanks for your swedish perspective
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<cdtaylor> And then I'll abandon it and then in 2022 someone will come along asking "Does ruby have any game libraries? All the ones I found are from 2017."
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<yorickpeterse> bnagy: bork bork bork
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<yorickpeterse> also hmpf, getting 5 million integers out of a DB is apparently hard
<[spoiler]> cdtaylor: There are better languages than ruby to make game engines in, to be fair (C++ probably, since it has RAII and C does not, I guess)
<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: faildb maybe
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<yorickpeterse> this is Pg
<yorickpeterse> not the mongos
<ljarvis> i meant mysql but close
<cdtaylor> [spoiler]: But I like Ruby. :<
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<[spoiler]> You could make the scripting engine in Ruby, that'd be badass. Although, mRuby probably; since MRI is too big to ship with a game
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<[spoiler]> How embeddable is rubinius, yorickpeterse?
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<[spoiler]> I never looked into it
<cdtaylor> Well, I didn't mean like AAA platform game, but something like Pygame, but for Ruby.
<yorickpeterse> [spoiler]: not
<[spoiler]> Ah crap
* bnagy cries
<yorickpeterse> We have no official embed API at the moment
<yorickpeterse> Plus it's pretty heavy
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<[spoiler]> yeah Rubinius is heavy
<cdtaylor> There's Gosu for Ruby, but you go to website, hit documentation, and at the top of the page, "Masafumi Yokoyama edited this page on Oct 29, 2013"
<[spoiler]> cdtaylor: I'm not much into game development so I can't offer much advice there, although you could try umplementying your own pygame and call it rame!
<[spoiler]> cdtaylor: lol maybe it's a landing page only?
<[spoiler]> Check github :P
<[spoiler]> idk
<cdtaylor> IDK, but IMO, the health of the project isn't so great if the documentation page linked from official website is two years old.
<cdtaylor> Also, it uses Ruby 1.9, I think, so you don't get incremental GC.
<bnagy> sing it, sister
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<cdtaylor> Or I could just learn Objective-C and use Spritekit...
<cdtaylor> We're all of the Smalltalk ilk, are we not.
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<[spoiler]> cdtaylor: ruby moar fun
<cdtaylor> Actually I like Smalltalk more than Ruby but I don't feel so isolated with Ruby.
<cdtaylor> Objective-C, I'm still trying to figure out. So much you need to know before you can do even the simplest things.
<workmad3> cdtaylor: learn APL!
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<workmad3> then create a 3d game engine in it... it'll probably only be about 10 lines long, I bet
<cdtaylor> "life←{↑1 ⍵∨.∧3 4=+/,¯1 0 1∘.⊖¯1 0 1∘.⌽⊂⍵}"
<cdtaylor> Uh.
<cdtaylor> I don't think I have the right keyboard.
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<workmad3> :)
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<workmad3> yeah, should have mentioned... those 10 lines will probably take about 3000 keystrokes to type in, mostly using alt sequences for typing unicode codepoints ;)
<cdtaylor> "life is assigned from curly up one cat mouth wonky eye 3 4 equals plus slash comma high 1 zero 1 circle dot what high 0 1 circle dot clock? union cat mouth"
<workmad3> err, I think what you're calling 'cat mount' is 'lower-case omega'
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<cdtaylor> probs. What do I know.
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<workmad3> oops, accidentally closed irssi
<workmad3> and yeah, ω is small omega
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<headius> cdtaylor: mruby would be a great choice for embedding...that's what it is designed for
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<cdtaylor> Where do people think I want to embed.
<headius> og just game libraries?
<headius> oh
<cdtaylor> Right.
<headius> I guess I got it from [spoiler] :-)
<cdtaylor> Spoiled your understanding, I see.
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<headius> I don't know the state of game libraries for C Ruby, but there's several for JVM usable in JRuby, and some have nice wrapper libraries
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<headius> I assume we're talking graphics + physics + interface when you say game library
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<cdtaylor> Eh, I'm a newb.
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<cdtaylor> I really don't know what I'm talking about.
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<workmad3> headius: heh :) I see 'graphics + physics + interface' and read 'interesting bits + interface'
<[spoiler]> Lol
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<headius> workmad3: yeah I agree :-)
<headius> many game libs provide basic framework for the non-game parts too, though...menus, UI, game flow
<workmad3> one of these days, I'll get around to reading my books on game physics and game graphics, and produce something other than trivial cubes and what-not :)
<workmad3> doesn't help that the bits of physics that I'm most interested in are quantum mechanics and the like though... and that stuff does not work well as the basis for simulations
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<cdtaylor> Observation: Hack the Gibson, non-tech guy says "cool." Be an Excel wiz, non-tech guy is amazed.
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<ljarvis> being an excel wiz would amaze anyone
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<cdtaylor> Really, I surprise myself just by being able to do basic things in Excel.
<apeiros_> I really surprise myself that I can suppress my urge to vandalize my computer when opening excel.
<cdtaylor> Well, I don't really open excel, as I use Apple's numbers.
<cdtaylor> Kinda because I don't want to buy Office for Mac, but also kinda because the charts and graphs are prettier.
<apeiros_> I guess I should install libreoffice again
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<yorickpeterse> welp, scheduling 5mil documents for reprocessing alone takes 8 hours ._.
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<[spoiler]> I use... google drive
<[spoiler]> like a good lil 'oogle fanboy.
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<workmad3> apeiros_: I have MS Excel 2011 for Mac on here...
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<ljarvis> I dont open excel either
<ljarvis> excel opens me
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<ljarvis> apeiros_: libreoffice sucks :(
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<cdtaylor> I don't care for OpenOffice/LibreOffice. They're pretty glitchy and unpolished.
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<maloik> >> Time.now.cweek
<eval-in_> maloik => undefined method `cweek' for 2015-01-29 13:24:49 +0000:Time (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/268943)
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<ljarvis> >> Date.new(2015, 1, 3).cweek
<eval-in_> ljarvis => uninitialized constant Date (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/268947)
<ljarvis> >> require 'date'; Date.new(2015, 1, 3).cweek
<eval-in_> ljarvis => 1 (https://eval.in/268948)
<maloik> :D
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<ljarvis> I hate the date/time classes in Ruby
<ljarvis> they fill me with rage
<yorickpeterse> Which one, Time, Date, or DateTime? :P
<ljarvis> ^
<yorickpeterse> "Hm, so I want to store a date with a timestamp. Do I use Time, or DateTime?"
<yorickpeterse> "Well the answer is easy!"
<yorickpeterse> "If your app outlives 2038, use DateTime
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<apeiros_> nope
<apeiros_> Time has been 64bit (even on 32bit systems) since 1.9
<apeiros_> Time/DateTime quality has improved significantly. but yes, I too still want to punch those classes on a relative regular basis.
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<ljarvis> whilst we're speaking of dates, the day yyyy/mm/dd is used globally is the day i die happy
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<apeiros_> I disagree
<apeiros_> the day we use yyyy-mm-dd globally, I'll be happy ;-)
<ljarvis> you disagree that i'd die happy?
<chris2> +
<chris2> ++
<ljarvis> that works for me too
<chris2> and actually YYYYY-MM-DD
<apeiros_> yes, I disagree with you dying happily!!!
<ljarvis> is that 5 Y's
<chris2> yes
<apeiros_> I can live with implicit 0
<apeiros_> still >7k years to go
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<ljarvis> maybe we should add 6 in case it really takes off
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<apeiros_> and for scientific purposes, 5 Y's won't suffice in most cases anyway
<tobiasvl> apeiros_: I hope the world changing its date format doesn't kill you
<apeiros_> tobiasvl: you have no idea!
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<apeiros_> chris2: timecube.com !
<ljarvis> well that's some forward thinking
<chris2> apeiros_: http://www.thymecube.com/ !!
<ljarvis> lol
<chris2> :/
<chris2> not what it used to be i think
<apeiros_> I honestly can't tell whether the timecube seriously believes his stuff or is trolling really well
<apeiros_> jefus: not found
<jefus> that's good
<jefus> i would be concerned if it actually existed
<chris2> hm?
<darix> chris2: i find it pretty interesting. but maybe i am too much an admin :p
<chris2> interesting yes. but sick? :)
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<chris2> tell me if you find a way to list all active filters
<darix> chris2: with iptables or bpf?:p
<chris2> bpf filters
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<yorickpeterse> Allrighty, lets write a blag about saying goodbye to Mongo
* yorickpeterse has to try really hard to keep it civilized
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<ljarvis> i see you dont use that constraint on irc
<yorickpeterse> The main difference is that in this case I'm writing an article under my employer's name, on our website
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<yorickpeterse> so I can't really go around saying mean things about Mongo, at least not directly
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<ericwood> do you want me to say them for you?
<ericwood> I'll happily proxy them
<yorickpeterse> heh
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<ericwood> just kidding, anyone who truly knows me knows I'm uneducated in the finer points of databased and not worthy of opinions re: them
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<ericwood> s/databased/databases
<yorickpeterse> Mongo flow chart:
<yorickpeterse> Do you care about your data? Yes: go to PostgreSQL, No: retry
<ericwood> I honestly haven't heard of any good reasons not to use postgres for anything relational
<ericwood> I do like Redis a lot, though, but it works well as an additive to a good relational database
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<yorickpeterse> weow, this article is already getting pretty long
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<yorickpeterse> and I'm not even done with talking about Mongo yet
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<yorickpeterse> (my engrish)
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<imperator> which article?
<yorickpeterse> article about why we at $WORK moved from El Mongo to Pg
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<imperator> sounds interesting
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<yorickpeterse> 1074 words, notbad.jpg
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<jds> I've been trying to profile our rspec runs with ruby-prof, but keep running into problems with it chewing up an outrageous amount of memory and just spending all its time in GC
<jds> Are there any alternatives that might be more suited to long-running profiles?
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<imperator> jds, none that i'm aware of, not without using jruby or rubinius anyway
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<jds> Hm. How are jruby & rubinius nowadays? Is getting a large MRI-based Rails app working on them going to be something I wish I hadn't tried?
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<imperator> jds, jruby -should- work - can always run your tests :)
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<jds> To the rvm-mobile!
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<yorickpeterse> jds: rbx has a built-in metrics system that could help
<yorickpeterse> imperator: partially
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<headius> jds, yorickpeterse: jruby has extensive metrics of course
<jds> Been trying jruby, but we have a number of c extensions which might cause problems
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<headius> that is a shame...which ones?
<headius> it's getting harder to find major exts that don't have a jvm version
<jds> Sounds like c extensions in jruby kinda work but are strongly deprecated, right?
<headius> they never *really* worked
<headius> a few small ones worked
<headius> the C ext API is almost impossible to implement efficiently on a modern GC
<headius> rbx gets about as close as it can, but still has to manage a bunch of weak handles and indirect for everything
<jds> I'm not at my machine right now, but off the top of my head imagescience and taglib. The former is probably easily replaceable, at least
<jds> But there's definitely a number of others
<headius> imagescience has an API compatible alternative in imagevoodoo by enebo
<headius> I don't know taglib
<headius> I think imagevoodoo might actually do more, like greyscales
<imperator> you can always convert using ffi, or use java native libs
<headius> jds: I'd love to know what they are...we wouldn't be able to replace them right away but I'd like to know
<headius> we always try to stay on top of the C exts people are using
<headius> oh, this is an id3 lib
<headius> basically
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<headius> that oughta be easy to emulate too
<headius> anyway
<headius> yorickpeterse: is there a list of the metrics rbx exports?
<headius> I guess I could just look at the code but I'm not sure where it is
<yorickpeterse> headius: Not one that is documented, but running `Rubinius::Metrics.data.to_hash` dumps all of the ones currently available
<headius> ahh nice, ok
<headius> yorickpeterse: are you in Brussels yet?
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<jds> headius: I'll take another look tomorrow morning and ping you a list
<headius> jds: that would be great, thanks...no promises but it would plant the seeds in my brain
<headius> they might grow into an itch I need to scratch or get some lackey to scratch
<yorickpeterse> headius: No, I'm taking the train tomorrow
<yorickpeterse> I'll be at the pantone somewhere around 16:00-ish
<enebo> image_voodoo can save to different formats resize,rotate,scale, reorient based on exif
<enebo> Although I ujst added exif metadata so I might not have put out a release with it?
<headius> yorickpeterse: that's close to ULB eh?
<yorickpeterse> headius: it's about 20min by public transport
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<wiggl3> Hi! How come I can't access Ruby from cron? Getting emails like: `Subject: Cron <wiggle@mybox> /usr/local/bin/zsh -l -c 'ruby -v': zsh:1: command not found: ruby`
<wiggl3> I can run `/usr/local/bin/zsh -l -c 'ruby -v'` just fine though.
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<apeiros_> wiggl3: cron doesn't use a login shell. you have to ensure its env is set up correctly.
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<apeiros_> ah, I see, you use zsh -l to get a login shell?
<apeiros_> wrong user maybe?
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<wiggl3> hmmm
<wiggl3> nope same user
<wiggl3> apeiros_: generating the cron via https://github.com/javan/whenever if that has anything to say
<apeiros_> no idea then
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<wiggl3> np, thanks though
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<zenspider> wiggl3: fix your PATHing
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<wiggl3> zenspider: from where? i mean it's all fine and dandy when i log in normally
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<zenspider> wiggl3: cron runs bare. if you have vixie cron, you can set a PATH variable at the top of your crontab
<zenspider> use this to test your cron command:
<zenspider> alias newshell='env -i $SHELL --norc'
<zenspider> that'll be the same type of environment that cron runs in
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<wiggl3> zenspider: oooh, awesome man thanks a lot
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<wiggl3> zenspider: hold up --norc?
<wiggl3> % env -i $SHELL --norc
<wiggl3> /usr/local/bin/zsh: no such option: norc
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<havenwood> wiggl3: the option isn't portable, in zsh: env -i $SHELL --no-rcs
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<wiggl3> i can run ruby just fine inside env -i /usr/local/bin/zsh --no-rcs though
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<wb6tpu_> pastie: hi!
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