<Ox0dea>
With luck, you'll fall in love with red-green.
<kiki_lamb>
Hey all, I just saw '*' on it's own, as the entirety of a methods arguments, for the first time the other day and I'd like to know exactly how this works... where is it documented?
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<Ox0dea>
kiki_lamb: It just means "any".
<kiki_lamb>
I'm talking about constructs like : def a_method *; super; end
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<Ox0dea>
kiki_lamb: Right, you can call that method with any arguments, and it won't error.
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<edj>
where would i got after koans?
<edj>
go
<kiki_lamb>
Ox0dea: so it just accepts any combination of args without naming them, that's all there is to it?
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<edj>
is rubymonk expecting me to google things?
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<edj>
has anyone here ever used rubymonk?
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<payload>
is ruby written in c?
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<Ox0dea>
payload: There are several implementations of Ruby.
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<passcod>
payload: and to complete that answer, yes, one of them is written in C.
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<payload>
which one?
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<passcod>
payload: MRI/YARV is the main one, and written in C. Then there's GoRuby (written in Go), JRuby (JVM), IronRuby (.NET), MacRuby (from Apple), and Rubinius (C++/LLVM and also has a lot of its stdlib in Ruby).
<passcod>
there's also REE and MagLev but I think these are abandoned
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<matcz>
is there ipv6 mirror for gem?
<matcz>
i could not find any :\
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<matcz>
and i have small vps ipv6 only
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<Ox0dea>
matcz: Might be outta luck. :< No promising occurrences of "v6" in the source.
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<matcz>
Ox0dea: what a shame :\
<Ox0dea>
matcz: In time, I'm sure.
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<matcz>
i found topic from '12 about this
<matcz>
:D
<Ox0dea>
Ouch.
<matcz>
so not so 'in time'
<matcz>
:|
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<matcz>
ill try some trick with offline instalation
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<Ox0dea>
matcz: It's remarkably easy to create a complete copy of the system with `gem generate_index`, but I guess nobody's done it with an eye to IPv6 support yet.
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<Masky>
I have a script that calls a ruby program, and it's being called by a startup script in /etc/init.d. However, for some reason I get the error "sh: 1: bundle: not found" when the script is run as a startup script, but it works fine if I run it manually. Any ideas on why this is happening? I'm using rbenv
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<Coraline>
It might be using system ruby when run as a startup script?
<take->
I'd guess that your gemset isn't available in your PATH environment var when you're running it
<Coraline>
Or that, yeah
<Masky>
is there some command I can run to add it to the PATH?
<Masky>
I could try just adding it to the init.d script
<take->
yeah. that would work
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<dtscode>
Masky: bundle might not be on sh's $PATH
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<dtscode>
note that sh is not guaranteed to be bash or dash
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<Masky>
yeah, you're right, it's not in the PATH
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<Masky>
what would be the best way to add it to the PATH?
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<take->
I'm not sure about rbenv, I use rvm... probably whatever you use to load rbenv for your local user, or maybe you can install it systemwide?
<Masky>
er, sorry, I am using rvm, not rbenv. that was a big typo, whoops
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<Masky>
dtscode, that would probably work, but the location of bundle seems to be dynamic based on the exact version of ruby (/usr/local/rvm/gems/ruby-2.0.0-p643/bin). I'm worried that will not be a good thing to hardcode since this script is supposed to be for automatically provisioned hosts
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<dtscode>
err sorry Masky I only read your question and not the rest of the convo, so yeah that wouldn't be a good ieea
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<akem>
hi
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<Ox0dea>
akem: Hello.
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<jdeen>
Hi there guys. Any body with Grape experience for some support?
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<jdeen>
I got an API that uses JWT sent in a header for authentication. I would like this to include in the swagger documentation
<jdeen>
After some time of searching I can't find a way I can include it kind of 'gloablly'. Actually I need it in all mounted apis exect one which is for auth.
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<jdeen>
Is any one aware of a way of adding 'headers' to the 'desc' of methods kind of globally?
<jdeen>
^^ that is about swagger + grape
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<zotherstupidguy>
hey guys minitest is throwing You should look at the implementation of #== on ValueObject or its members.
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<zotherstupidguy>
at me when i try do somthing like 53 @ds.get(@id).must_equal Marshal.load(Marshal.dump(@value_obj))
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<ruby-lang560>
hey guys
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<apeiros>
ruby-lang560: hi gal
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<FernandoBasso>
Can I have an instance variable, class variable and class instance variable with the same name and accessors for the three of them also with the same name?
<FernandoBasso>
I'm confused bout def prop vs def self.prop to create "getters".
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<FernandoBasso>
My understanding is that self.prop would be useful to create a getter for @@prop
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<Mon_Ouie>
You can't define getters for the class variable and the class instance variable that have the same name --- YourClass.the_variable_name can only have one implementation
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<FernandoBasso>
So, for both class variable and class instance variable, I use self.prop to create the getter?
<Mon_Ouie>
'def self.foo' defines a method on self's singleton class. After that, you can do self.foo to call it. Inside a class body, self happens to be the class you're defining.
<Mon_Ouie>
If you want to access them with ClassName.variable_name, yes
<FernandoBasso>
Okay. Thanks.
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<FernandoBasso>
The ruby docs seem a bit unclear, or lacking info regarding this subject.
<FernandoBasso>
Perhaps it is scattered through several different docs.
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<FernandoBasso>
Well, I now believe then, that using either using def.foo or def self.foo are legal, just that one is for calling on an instance of the class, the other on the ClassName itself.
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<Papierkorb>
FernandoBasso: "def.foo" is illegal
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<FernandoBasso>
Ah, indeed.
<FernandoBasso>
I meant to say def foo and def self.foo
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<Papierkorb>
def self.foo it is. were you looking for having a attr_reader and/or attr_accessor on the class?
<FernandoBasso>
Not specifically. I'm just trying to understand this whole subject.
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<Papierkorb>
FernandoBasso: in ruby, *everything* is an object, and thus, you're always in one. This implies that 'self' (basically that what other languages call the this-pointer, like in C++ or Java) is always pointing to an object
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<FernandoBasso>
Papierkorb: Ok. I am aware of "self" being more or less like "this".
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<FernandoBasso>
Still, I'm confused on the relation of defining method with and without self in regards to instance vars, class vars, and class instance vars.
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<FernandoBasso>
And whether to call those methods from ClassName or from instanceOfClass.
<Papierkorb>
FernandoBasso: A class itself is an object, and an instance of a class is also one. If you type "class Foo", and enter, 'self' will point to the *class* object you just began to create. defining methods on it is roughly comparable to static methods in other languages, as in, you'll be able to call the method on the *class* object, but NOT on an instance of this class. Thus, "def self.foo" creates a method callable through ClassName.foo, while "
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<Papierkorb>
def foo" is callable via instanceName.foo
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<Papierkorb>
FernandoBasso: Also, always having a self ptr implies that you always have access to the objects instance variables, denoted by an @sign. "def self.foo; @foo; end" will for example access @foo from the *class* object, NOT from any instance.
<FernandoBasso>
That makes things clearer.
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<Papierkorb>
Or rather, a class is just an instance of the class Class in ruby. So it's also an object, and thus behaves like one
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<FernandoBasso>
Ok. Thanks.
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<Papierkorb>
You'll also read about @@class_variables, but their behaviour is completely different to what you'd expect at first. So, say if you have @foo set in the class object, and you do @@foo in one of the class instances, you're not accessing @foo of the class, but @@foo of all instances. They're different variable scopes so to speak. Safest route for now is to avoid using those.
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<FernandoBasso>
:)
<FernandoBasso>
I agree.
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<shevy>
you people are not productive enough today
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<segfalt>
I'm using a Queue with Threads, and Queue#push is blocking, any idea what would make that happen. I share the queue with a thread via Thread.new(queue) do |queue|, and poll it for #empty? every 0.5 seconds, which should allow the child thread to push to it.
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<segfalt>
I should say it either blocks or that thread just perma-sleeps.
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<Coraline>
I remember having a discussion with the enterprise fizzbuzz maintainers about the CoC
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<Coraline>
They wanted to make sure that its inclusion would not be considered part of the satire.
<yorickpeterse>
Coraline: for a project such as that I think that's impossible
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<Ox0dea>
Coraline: What satire?
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<Ox0dea>
>> Queue # segfalt: How do you use a Queue without Threads?
<Ox0dea>
It's a Futurama reference, but something seems to have gotten lost in the translation.
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<adaedra>
wth, Ox0dea
<shevy>
you nerd! nobody save for nerds were watching futurama
<Ox0dea>
adaedra: Hm?
<adaedra>
your picture.
<Ox0dea>
It seems like a perfectly delicious pairing.
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<Ox0dea>
> The Pigg-O-Stat is the World’s Top Clinically-Proven, Time-Tested, and Medically-Trusted Pediatric Immobilizer.
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<Ox0dea>
adaedra: ^ In case you want to know what's actually going on in that picture.
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<Coraline>
I remember that torture device from when my daughter was born.
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<pontiki>
wth is that thing for real??
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<Coraline>
Not paired up with a blender obviously but yeah the tube is used to hold infants still during x-rays and so on
<Ox0dea>
Kids are squirmy and electromagnetism don't like that when it's tryna take a picture.
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<Ox0dea>
> When the mouse is moved very rapidly, the mouse blinker gets big like Godzilla in order to maintain visibility. Small children should be taken out of the room before demonstrating this frightening feature.
<Ox0dea>
Is *this* real?
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<Ox0dea>
The Symbolics LM-2 Lisp Machine apparently had a Godzilla button.
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<shevy>
what would it do upon a press event?
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<Ox0dea>
Answer the interviewers' questions like any other celebrity does.
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<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
godzilla ... japanese pranks ... a prank button!
<Ox0dea>
shevy: How do TIOBE account for the fact that Ruby is dying?
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<shevy>
Ox0dea they sorta reversed their statement last month
<pontiki>
if it gets more popular, it will just be like the southern california beaches in summer
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<shevy>
on fire?
<pontiki>
that's the hills, not the beaches
<pontiki>
nothing to burn on the beaches except the people
<Ox0dea>
Should I phone the authorities?
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<pontiki>
what for?
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<shevy>
make[1]: *** No rule to make target '/home/kou/work/ruby/ruby-gnome2.clean/glib2/lib/gnome2-raketask.rb', needed by '/usr/local/lib/site_ruby/2.1.0/gnome2-raketask.rb'.
<shevy>
hmm... someone has left his home dir in a makefile
<Ox0dea>
adaedra: Could you translate "En raison de l’indifférence générale demain est annulé." for me?
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<Ox0dea>
Google's "Because of the general indifference, tomorrow is canceled." can't be very idiomatic.
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<adaedra>
I'm not sure I can do any better, hold on
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<pontiki>
looks exactly right to me, Ox0dea
<Ox0dea>
Oh, never mind.
<Ox0dea>
"Due to lack of interest" is more appropriate and consequently morbid.
<shevy>
lack of interest related to what
<Ox0dea>
Tomorrow.
<adaedra>
I wish tomorrow could be cancelled.
<pontiki>
tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow creeps by in its petty pace
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<shevy>
I am very interested in tomorrow
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<pontiki>
you've left a candle burning, shevy?
<adaedra>
Tomorrow never knows.
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<pontiki>
perhaps this is your burnam wood, on the move
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<shevy>
hmm I don't think I have a candle anywhere
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<shevy>
I am gonna buy candles for xmas!
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<Ox0dea>
> Electric sounds of insects at their business. Ale-colored sunshine and pale sky and whorls of cirrus so high they cast no shadow. Insects all business all the time.
<shevy>
Insect all the things
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<Ox0dea>
> The experiment requires you to continue; please go on.
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<apeiros>
noooot quite sure what this is supposed to do :D
<Ox0dea>
It's gonna be a working implementation of FizzBuzz some day.
<apeiros>
I see. some day. that explains why I didn't see how it could possibly be a working fizzbuzz :)
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<unrar>
Hey
<unrar>
Anyone knows of some good resources for learning TDD with Ruby?
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<unrar>
I know the basics, but I'm totally lost and I don't know how to apply TDD to a complex application
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<unrar>
It's basically a whole gem that runs an API server, how should one use TDD with that? Should a testing database be created and then write some tests that perform API calls and compare them with the expected result?
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<take->
well if you already have the code, technically it can't be TDD retroactively, since 'test driven' requires you to write tests first
<take->
so proper TDD would mean developing further code by writing tests first, then making them pass with code
<unrar>
i know but for future development
<unrar>
there are still some features missing, it's not even halfway complete yet
<unrar>
what I mean is, for scripts that perform calculations it's quite easy to write tests (I wrote a Python biotech app using TDD, as well as something in C#) but for applications that are more complete I don't know how to test
<pontiki>
you can't figure out what your new feature is supposed to result in?
<pontiki>
if that's so, you should break it down into smaller units until you can
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<unrar>
the first thing I want to do is change the method that handles GET requests so that the syntax can be something like /api/users/name/John to get all users whose name is John
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<unrar>
so what should the test be like, run that method to use a known, testing database and check if the JSON that it returns is as expected?
<pontiki>
is this in rails, or something else?
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<pontiki>
i would say that's too big a chunk
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<unrar>
no, standalone ruby
<pontiki>
i'm assuming you already have some way to arbitrarily search your data base
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<unrar>
like using the sqlite/mysql gem?
<pontiki>
so you only need to develop a method that correctly extracts the search parts from the url
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<Musashi007>
Is it really accurate to that one must be root to bind to ports lower than 1024
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<pontiki>
Musashi007: what does your research show you?
<unrar>
yea probaby
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<Musashi007>
to *say* ,btw
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<Musashi007>
@pontiki my research shows me that that is the case hence why I am here
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<pontiki>
unrar: i'm guessing here, but something like "/api/users/name/John" would yeild something like {table: "users", field: "name", query: "John"}
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<atmosx>
Musashi007: yes
<Musashi007>
@pontiki what’s confusing to me is that I thought I had this working on my machine before so I am confused as to what the issue is.
<pontiki>
Musashi007: then what do you suppose the inaccuracy of that statement would be?
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<unrar>
yeah well, the whole URL is broken down to an array rather than a hashç
<Musashi007>
@pontiki previous statement
<atmosx>
Musashi007: Yes and it's by design. There are more good reasons for this design than finger in your hands ;-)
<atmosx>
s/finger/fingers
<Musashi007>
@atmosx :D
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<pontiki>
unrar: is that going to be useful for your solution?
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<unrar>
probably
<pontiki>
i'm not proposing the solution to you
<pontiki>
if you know what the method should yeild, then you can write your test before you implement it
<pontiki>
that's the essence of TDD
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<pontiki>
if you need to test your database lookup accuracy, that's a separate test
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<Musashi007>
Yeah, I’ve gone through all the previous versions. I’ve always been binding it to 0.0.0.0:ssl_port.
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<Ox0dea>
Musashi007: Perhaps you just didn't realize you were root?
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<ruind>
newb question I cant find by simply googling... what do the double colons denote in "class blah < foo::bar"
<ruind>
foo is hte module and bar is the class?
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<Musashi007>
@Ox0dea I’m running on osx with a user account - same name, never sudo’ing when I heroku local.
<Papierkorb>
ruind: Yes.
<Ox0dea>
ruind: No.
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<Ox0dea>
ruind: Foo could be a Class or a Module there, and so could bar. `::` is just the constant resolution operator.
<havenwood>
ruind: class/module name must be CONSTANT
<ruind>
ok, I'll google 'constant resolution operator"
<havenwood>
ruind: (CamelCase Class or Module names.)
<Musashi007>
@Ox0dea @pontiki solved it - my associate had changed the name of the port in the .env file so it wasn’t detecting it and trying to bind ot the production port. Thank you for your input.
<havenwood>
Ox0dea: :D
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<centrx>
yo dudez
<apeiros>
oy gal
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<centrx>
mama mia!
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<apeiros>
what's with your mom?
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<desmondhume>
oh mama mia let me go
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<desmondhume>
anybody here from italy?
<centrx>
got spaghetti in the brain
<ruby-lang943>
I have a question about ruby
<Ox0dea>
ruby-lang943: Shoot.
<ruby-lang943>
Ok
<Ox0dea>
ruby-lang943: Aim true now.
<ruby-lang943>
Im trying to figure out if i should go with the hype and learn node.js, a framework and js.
<ruby-lang943>
Or should i stick with ruby and learn rails
<Ox0dea>
"Hype"?
<apeiros>
both is fine.
<desmondhume>
I think you can just learn js at a good level
<apeiros>
personally I find JS quite weak as a language. but who knows, maybe it'll get "fixed" over time.
<desmondhume>
i see node more as a tool to use when you really need it
<ruby-lang943>
I see it as weak too
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<desmondhume>
(never needed btw, just for some secondary push features)
<ruby-lang943>
So rails still has a strong community?
<havenwood>
ruby-lang943: JavaScript was made to run on browsers. Ruby was made to make programmers happy. Do you want to run on browsers or be happy?
<apeiros>
sure
<apeiros>
and afaik still growing
<Papierkorb>
I think that JS is such a good language, that I use Opal to not having to use a lot of JS at all.
<ruby-lang943>
Good point
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<Papierkorb>
+On the client
<apeiros>
havenwood: heh, nice
<apeiros>
I want to be happily running on browsers :(
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* apeiros
puts an insane amount of hope into webasm
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<apeiros>
go webasm, make me happy, give me a nice hlvm!
<ruby-lang943>
Whats been going on new with the rails community?
<Papierkorb>
ruby-lang943: ask in #RubyOnRails?
<apeiros>
ruby-lang943: probably better ask in #rubyonrails
<ruby-lang943>
How do I switch channels
<ruby-lang943>
on freenode server
<apeiros>
/join #rubyonrails
<ruby-lang943>
Thanks, much appreciated
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<desmondhume>
anybody going to the rubyday IT on friday?
<desmondhume>
:(
<sapceCase>
is their any scheduled stuff for noob to listen in and learn?
<desmondhume>
lot of talks will be about rails
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<desmondhume>
i don't know why it's always ruby === rails
<havenwood>
ruby-lang943: Since it's wildly popular they've been working on all sorts of improvements. One new feature coming in Rails 5 is ActionCable and its websocket channels.
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<ruby-lang943>
ActionCabel?
<desmondhume>
LOL
<Papierkorb>
desmondhume: wasn't it that like 80-90% of rubyists use rails?
<sapceCase>
Hi, where is the best place/chat for noobi like me to learn
<Papierkorb>
sapceCase: ruby? In here.
<havenwood>
ActionCabal*
<sapceCase>
yyes?
<havenwood>
sapceCase: Welcome!
<sapceCase>
thank you!
<shevy>
Papierkorb did you manage to write something useful with opal? I am still wondering how I could use it
<desmondhume>
Papierkorb yeah the problem is 80-90% rails people don't know how to handle ruby w/o rails :D
<desmondhume>
it's ActionCOBOL btw
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<Papierkorb>
shevy: Using it in my personal project, which is something like a social network thing. I'm pretty happy with it as far it goes, but you have to keep in mind that you'll hit some bricks here and there. The parser and compiler are overall pretty stable, but it's just unstable enough that I can't recommend using it in a business critical project just yet.
<VeryBewitching>
G'day folks.
<desmondhume>
yo
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<Papierkorb>
shevy: I use it there for a web application on the client. At this time, the client consists out of 4k lines of ruby code in total, which is estimated to continue to rise quickly in the future :) – I can really recommend that you take a look, with a grain of salt.
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<desmondhume>
I actually like JS :(
<Ox0dea>
VeryBewitching: "Exercitation", really?
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<Papierkorb>
desmondhume: 'this' .. ahahaha
<NUCKFIGGERS>
js is the best language
<havenwood>
!mute NUCKFIGGERS
<desmondhume>
LOL
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<desmondhume>
'instance_eval' . . ahahahah
<VeryBewitching>
Ox0dea: Are you referring to my informal, gender neutral greeting?
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<desmondhume>
no, seriously, I'm using react now inside rails
<desmondhume>
(and i'll be talking about that at ruby day lol)
<Ox0dea>
VeryBewitching: No, I just don't think that should be the noun for "the act of exercising <something>".
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<VeryBewitching>
Ox0dea: It has many meanings.
<VeryBewitching>
Ox0dea: He did diligently engage in the exercitations of his faith.
<Ox0dea>
Sure, but why didn't we go with "exercision"?
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<VeryBewitching>
Ox0dea: Need someone with knowledge of Latin for that, possibly some Dutch or German too.
<desmondhume>
I studied latin for 8 years lol, still suck at it
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<Ox0dea>
VeryBewitching: I know just the person and am in fact presently awaiting their explanation.
<VeryBewitching>
cise = cut down
<VeryBewitching>
incision = cut into
<VeryBewitching>
exer-cision
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<Ox0dea>
VeryBewitching: "excite" => "excitation", "excise" => "excision", "exercise" => "exercitation" just kinda "feels" off, but I understand the etymological basis.
<Ox0dea>
desmondhume: Exposure is not absorption. :P
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<adaedra>
iirc, regedit.exe is capable of loading arbitrary hives, but that's all
<desmondhume>
guys i know it's pretty odd, but is there any place to hang out with you/people like you here on irc?
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<desmondhume>
irc is pretty funny, but it's difficult to keep contacts
<Ox0dea>
KINGSABRI: Best would probably be to use something like FFI to wrap libregf.
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<shevy>
desmondhume where in italy are you
<desmondhume>
(I'm new to irc and this channel, I came here to find human beings to talk to about ruby & stuff)
<adaedra>
?ot desmondhume
<ruboto>
desmondhume, this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related topics. Thanks!
<apeiros>
desmondhume: #ruby-offtopic ?
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<desmondhume>
s-sorry D: i'll go there, thanks!
<adaedra>
no problem, that was just for showing you the way ;)
<apeiros>
desmondhume: I think adaedra didn't mean the "this seems to be ot" part, just wanted to show the channel ;-)
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<adaedra>
adaedra.lazyness => ETOOMUCH
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<desmondhume>
thank you so much :D
<Ox0dea>
apeiros and adaedra, the tsundere double-team.
<apeiros>
tsundere?
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<desmondhume>
does anybody here use thinking sphinx?
<desmondhume>
I'm using sphinx as a full-text and geo search in a rails app, I'm an absolute noob in the "search field", I'm trying to find some ways to speed things up...
<shevy>
"In microbiology, the shmoo's uncanny resemblance to budding yeast?combined with its near-limitless usefulness?has led to the character's adoption as a mascot of sorts for scientists studying yeast as a model organism for genetics and cell biology."
<shevy>
I did not get along well with hairy potter, that bash entry is better than any of the movies (I got dragged into all of them because of a few friends who wanted to see them)
<Nilium>
It weirds me out that bash.org is still around
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<Ox0dea>
Nilium: That's sad.
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<Ox0dea>
Project Xanadu could've been amazing.
<shevy>
some things are immortal on the www
<Ox0dea>
Instead, we fully expect the digital past to die.
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<Nilium>
Sadder that I'm in it.
<shevy>
some linux game sites died not long ago though :(
<diegoviola>
Ox0dea: not sure what you mean by that, but I wouldn't recommend anyone to install anything from facebook
<Diabolik>
but it only wants the number to increment if its at the end of the string
<Ox0dea>
diegoviola: I can't install anything from Facebook until I get Facebook itself installed, right?
<diegoviola>
I don't know, sorry
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<Diabolik>
Ox0dea what is the best way to check if a string ends with any integer
<Ox0dea>
Diabolik: There are so many ways; I couldn't say which is objectively best off the top of my head.
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<Ox0dea>
str[/\d$/] is the most obvious.
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<Ox0dea>
diegoviola: Do you have Facebook installed? If so, could you share the output of `pacman -Ql facebook`? I'm trying to see if I already have some of the necessary files.
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<diegoviola>
Ox0dea: I don't have that installed, I would never install such a thing
<diegoviola>
Ox0dea: facebook is not your friend, it's a surveillance tracking engine
<Ox0dea>
I did not intend for this to become politically charged.
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<diegoviola>
Ox0dea: well, you asked me if I have facebook installed, I gave you my opinion on that, we can discuss it on #ruby-offtopic if you want
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<Diabolik>
but Ox0dea i just want to increment the last number