<Ox0dea>
For if you do actually want a capture group.
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<jbrhbr>
i was just trying to avoid the 'result = $1' assignment line, essentially
<warkon>
can i upgrade from ruby 1.9.3 to 2.2.3 without any complications or are there backwards compatibility issues?
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<jhass>
warkon: a few fairly minor ones, best just try and run your testsuite
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<warkon>
jhass: what's #1 likely thing to break? encoding?
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<jhass>
probably not even but it's among the candidates
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<Radar>
warkon: It's easier than the 1.8 to 1.9 upgrade :)
<jhass>
String#chars, String#codepoints etc don't return Enumerator's anymore but Arrays. but each_* still return Enumerator's even and the API between Array and Enumerator is actually quite compatible
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<krajos>
Hey Everyone! I'm very new to ruby and I'm trying to find a way to get this to work. I'm making a simple program that takes an array and finds if two numbers in that array sum to 0...then returns the positions of those two numbers. So far I have a way to figure out if two numbers sum to 0, but I don't know how to find their positions! This is my code: arr.uniq.combination(2).detect { |a, b| a + b == 0 }
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<krajos>
can someone please help me out (for like the 10th time today :) )
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<bougyman>
krajos: you're mangling the positions with uniq
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<bougyman>
you'd have to find the index_of of eash after the fact. against the original array, to get a position.
<warkon>
ugh... this app is running rails 3.2..... *awesome*
<bougyman>
haha, we have one on rails 2.3.2
<krajos>
hmm, so I would do that after the fact?
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<bougyman>
be happy you're in this century.
<warkon>
run the test suite? ya, let's see if that's a thing in this app... :)
<krajos>
#msg
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<Radar>
?rails
<ruboto>
Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP
<Radar>
:D
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<shevy>
bougyman hah, that almost aligns with the ruby version ... 2.2.3 ... 2.3.2
<Radar>
warkon: 3 -> 4 upgrade was much easier than 2 -> 3 upgrade
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<Ox0dea>
I gave you that link three days ago.
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<jackcom>
what you mean? Ox0dea ?
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<Ox0dea>
jackcom: "Three" was the longest (and arguably most complex) word in that sentence; is that the one that confused you?
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<jackcom>
i like monk because the site is automation site
<jackcom>
Ox0dea:
<jhass>
Ox0dea: I don't know, link is kind of complicated too. And domain specific even!
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<Ox0dea>
jhass: I suspect you'd have a much easier time defining "link" than "three".
<VeryBewitching>
Ox0dea, jhass: I think the most complicated word in that sentence is "ago"; it requires explaining time.
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<Ox0dea>
jackcom: You are advised to take the initiative of setting up a local development environment.
<Ox0dea>
You're not going to be writing any programs on RubyMonk; you're going to be regurgitating factoids for "points", which is hardly a proper way to learn anything.
<jackcom>
i use ‘ruby hello.ruby’ Ox0dea by local environment
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<Ox0dea>
jackcom: Where did you learn to use .ruby as the extension for Ruby files?
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<jackcom>
Ox0dea: i did it by myself
<Ox0dea>
Impressive.
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<jackcom>
python hello.py
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<jackcom>
ruby hello.py
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<jackcom>
ruby hello.rb
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<jackcom>
lua hello.lua
<baweaver>
jackcom: enough of that
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<jackcom>
ok
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<Radar>
jackcom: You should really pick one language (Ruby, obviously) and focus on that :)
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<jackcom>
Radar: only one language?
<jbrhbr>
until you need another one, at least.
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<jackcom>
you eat only bread except jam and milk? Radar
<jbrhbr>
anyone have experience with Nokogiri? i'm having issues selecting an element with the class "-cx-PRIVATE-ProfilePage__biography" and i'm wondering if that private stuff is some convention that's blocking me
<jbrhbr>
jackcom: i think his point was that, since you're at a place where naming files and stuff is new to you, you would learn stuff more efficiently if you focused your efforts on the fluency of one language, since those concepts would then be largely transferrable in other cases should you need to branch out more in the future
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<havenwood>
jackcom: That's all well and good unless you're choking trying to drink your bread and having trouble spreading your jam on your milk.
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<havenwood>
jackcom: (You've recently shown us examples of trying to run Ruby code with Lua and Python code with Ruby.)
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<jhass>
jbrhbr: show what you tried? ideally some small self contained example that reproduces your problem
<Radar>
Well, I don't need to say anything because jbrhbr and havenwood have covered it really well.
<jackcom>
in the past, i try to learn ruby, but i failed. so i study other laguage like pytho, c, c++. this make me to understand ruby more now
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<jbrhbr>
jhass: point taken
<jbrhbr>
i'll gist something in a few minutes with all of my darts if i can't figure it out, thanks
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<shevy>
jackcom bread + jam + milk OR wine + chocolate cream + raw eggs ... you can do any combinations
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<jackcom>
oh great shevy that is i wanted.
<jackcom>
:)
<shevy>
...
<Ox0dea>
shevy: jackcom wanted you to tell him that he's going about this the right way, and you did so.
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<jbrhbr>
jhass: to whet your appetite, this selector is failing to find the element for me, although I found a couple of SO posts using it for this use case: dom.xpath('//div[starts_with(@class, "-cx-PRIVATE")]')
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<jackcom>
Ox0dea: anyway, how about my speaking english skill?
<shevy>
Ox0dea all hope is lost with jackcom - let's be honest, we know this already, you know this too
<Ox0dea>
Yes, I do, but then why this masquerade?
<jbrhbr>
there's probably some other issue tho— ignore me for a bit
<shevy>
even help vampires want attention!
<shevy>
a cuddle here, a hug there
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* VeryBewitching
will not be cuddling any of you.
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<shevy>
:(
<jbrhbr>
ain't nothin wrong with a cuddle
<Ox0dea>
♫ All you need is love. ♫
<Yzguy>
^^^^
<Yzguy>
hahah
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<VeryBewitching>
I will *thank* you if you help me, but cuddling requires some romancing on your part.
<Ox0dea>
shevy: "Help vampire" really isn't the term for this person, though. I think they're interesting from a psychoanalytical perspective, but I've not been able to pinpoint exactly how.
<Ox0dea>
I think they're probably a goldfish.
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<shevy>
lol
<Ox0dea>
jackcom: Glurp glip gloop?
<jackcom>
what you mean? Ox0dea
<Ox0dea>
Glip glurp!
<shevy>
he not speak fish
<Ox0dea>
Gloop glip glip. :<
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<jackcom>
can i stop asking to me. i m tired
<baweaver>
Ok ok, you've had your fun, let's keep it on topic
<EllisTAA>
i want to open a file, scan till i find a specific line and then write to the file, but fromm what i’ve read you can’t do this, but i feel like that can’t be right … can someone tell me how to do this?
<EllisTAA>
err maybe a+
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<jbrhbr>
is there a gem that defines an rfc-compliant email regex?
<jbrhbr>
i think i found one
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<Ox0dea>
ellistaa: That is, alas, correct.
<jbrhbr>
Authlogic::Regex.email — any haters?
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<jbrhbr>
nevermind, just looked at the source. there's no way this thing is rfc compliant
<Ox0dea>
ellistaa: There are no filesystems in widespread use that support arbitrary appends.
<EllisTAA>
Ox0dea: so i can’t just append in the middle of the file?
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<Ox0dea>
ellistaa: That's right; you have to write the entire file. :<
<Coraline>
>> x = 1; def f; case 2; when 1; 1; when 2; x; end; end; f
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<ruboto>
Coraline # => undefined local variable or method `x' for main:Object (NameError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/474816)
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<jhass>
blubjr: local variables are allocated (defined) at the parser stage, so when Ruby sees a var = exp anywhere. They're initialized with nil until the assignment is actually executed. So when it's never executed, you get nil back
<blubjr>
so in the b definition, its assuming a is a new local ?
<droptone>
Question: I need to check if 2 out of 3 variables are .empty?
<jhass>
blubjr: given the code has a = anything, a exists in the scope. It's initialized with nil and has that value until an assignment is actually executed
<jhass>
droptone: [a, b, c].count(&:empty?) == 2
<droptone>
Brilliant, thank you jhass.
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<blubjr>
oh i get it
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<blubjr>
so you cant use a writer from within the class ?
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<jhass>
blubjr: you can, local variable assignment just wins over method call, so you need to trick ruby into calling the method. You can do so with self.a = 2
<blubjr>
and having the assignment there, unexecuted, is creating a local, causing the later reader call to use the local rather than the reader
<jhass>
yes
<blubjr>
right ok
<blubjr>
thank you
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<bigmac_>
i have a large hash, i thought i could clear up ram by deleting half of the keys/values... but i still see ram is consumed
<Radar>
Delete more of the hash.
<Radar>
Problem solved.
<Radar>
Where do I send the invoice?
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<jackcom>
i think that Lambadas concept is not difficult.
<Coraline>
Hashes amirite?
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<Coraline>
Lambada?
<Coraline>
The forbidden dance?
<jackcom>
yes Coraline
<droptone>
Hashes, how do they work?
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<droptone>
Hashes and magnets.
<Radar>
I remember when someone tried doing the Lambada at a RubyConf.
<Radar>
Blood. So much blood.
<jhass>
droptone: like internally or...?
<Radar>
So it's now banned.
<droptone>
jhass: I'm kidding
<jhass>
ah, I'm getting sleepy, totally overlooked some context, sorry
<droptone>
All good, and FYI, that condition for determining how many were empty worked perfectly, thank you.
<droptone>
how many vars*
<Coraline>
Sleepy mods tonight
<Coraline>
We should all go to bed and let the trolls take over
<droptone>
lol
<jhass>
Coraline: but what if... we actually are the trolls?
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<droptone>
My head just exploded.
<Coraline>
jhass: I would have to change my nick a lot I think
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<jhass>
hehe
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<blubjr>
does case introduce a new scope
<jhass>
no
<jhass>
I think only blocks, class, module and method definitions do?
<Coraline>
>> def f; x = 1; case 2; when 1; x = 2; when 2; x; end; end; f
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<jhass>
blubjr: actually thinking about it, the assignment probably affects which kind of AST node is created afterwards, so the first a gets a Call AST node while the latter gets a local variable read AST node
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<jhass>
>> case 2; when 2; a; end; when 1; a = 1; end;
<ruboto>
jhass # => /tmp/execpad-b86a0e93385d/source-b86a0e93385d:2: syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting ke ...check link for more (https://eval.in/474827)
<jhass>
eh
<jhass>
>> case 2; when 2; a; when 1; a = 1; end;
<ruboto>
jhass # => undefined local variable or method `a' for main:Object (NameError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/474828)
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<jhass>
yup, that would support that theory
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<blubjr>
ok i get it
<blubjr>
thats a little gross
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<bigmac_>
hash.clear . . . the ram is still consumed
<bigmac_>
hash.size=0
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<blubjr>
does ruby have anything like lisp's return-from
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<GriffinHeart>
Hey guys facing an weird issue, I have a simple regular expression that depends on '@' mark, but it seems there's multiple types of '@' marks like ＠ and @
<GriffinHeart>
is there a way to match them all? or convert from one to another?
<blubjr>
mallu: do you understand why your version doesnt work
<mallu>
blubjr: yes I do
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<mallu>
blubjr: I am assuming I need prime_factors.each do
<jerware>
why does gem install hang ?
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<blubjr>
mallu: thats one way, or you could use a series of ifs. you can use += to append to the end of a string
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<blubjr>
jerware: how long did you wait before you decided it was hanging
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<mallu>
blubjr: "you can use += to append to the end of a string" How do you do that in this case?
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<blubjr>
>> s = ''; if 2.even?; s += 'two'; end; s
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<THERAFLU>
tracert -h 100 216.81.59.173
<THERAFLU>
Tracing route to FIN [216.81.59.173]
<THERAFLU>
over a maximum of 100 hops:
<THERAFLU>
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms -snip- 2 26 ms 52 ms 28 ms -snip- 3 14 ms 33 ms 49 ms -snip- 4 18 ms 22 ms 22 ms -snip- 5 19 ms 23 ms 22 ms -snip- 6 27 ms 30 ms 30 ms -snip- 7 31 ms 31 ms 34 ms -snip- 8 26 ms 27 ms 30 ms 75.149.231.30 9 46 ms 66 ms 66 ms xe-1-2-0.atl11.ip4.tinet.net [89.149.181.117]
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<THERAFLU>
10 * 49 ms 49 ms epik-networks-gw.ip4.tinet.net [77.67.69.158]
<THERAFLU>
11 61 ms 59 ms 63 ms po0-3.dsr2.atl.epikip.net [216.81.59.2]
<THERAFLU>
12 * * * Request timed out.
<THERAFLU>
13 101 ms 118 ms 102 ms Episode.IV [206.214.251.1]
<Radar>
!mute THERAFLU
<Radar>
Shhhhhhhhhh
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<kiki_lamb>
Tryna remember how to enumerate only those instance methods explicitly defined in a class (not those inherited from ancestors), can someone remind me?
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<shevy>
your word enumerate confuses me there
<shevy>
otherwise I think it should be .instance_methods(false)
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<StonerWizard>
yo
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<Ishant>
hello every body
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<Ishant>
can any one explain me some code of search.rb filter?
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<Ishant>
please help me some one
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<adaedra>
Hello
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<bigmac_>
james Lawrence?
<bigmac_>
james1:
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<adaedra>
mices: rubydoc.info has all the gem docs
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<norc>
I suddenly find myself using the Foo = Class.new(Bar) pattern more often every day.
<norc>
This is a good thing right?
<Ishant>
hello
<al2o3-cr>
is it me your looking for?
<Ishant>
yes norc
<Ishant>
can you help me please?
<adaedra>
We're help to ask, but we need a question for that.
<adaedra>
er.
<adaedra>
We're here to help*
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<adaedra>
Maybe I should try this "coffee" everybody keeps talking about, I seem to need it.
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<StonerWizard>
hello everyone
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<adaedra>
Hi StonerWizard
<Ishant>
can you explain
<Ishant>
if @field.length > 1 badbotsinput = event[@field[1]] @badbots_token_array.each do |badbotsvalue| badbotsvalue ||= nil if badbotsvalue.nil? raise "#{self.class.name}: Null value in badbots_token_array in dictionary file #{@path}" end
<norc>
gist that please.
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<adaedra>
?gist Ishant
<ruboto>
Ishant, https://gist.github.com - Multiple files, syntax highlighting, even automatically with matching filenames, can be edited
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<adaedra>
and precise what part of the code you don't understand, maybe with a little context (gem used, ...)
<norc>
Ah well. At least this pattern is much cleaner for defining Exceptions. :-)
<TTilus>
local variable named "badbotsinput" is assigned a value which is a result of evaluating expression "event[@field[1]]"
<Ishant>
yes it will store the output of event[@field[1]]
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<Ishant>
right
<TTilus>
now, what "event is"?
<Ishant>
how event[@field[1]] will work?
<TTilus>
and yes, badbotsinput kinda "will store the output of event[@field[1]]"
<TTilus>
let's start with what event is
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<Ishant>
searching the token from the list is the event i think
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<TTilus>
you are jumping ahead too fast, slow down
<Ishant>
ohk sorry
<TTilus>
what is "event" there in the assignment rhs expression "event[@field[1]]"
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<Ishant>
i have sent the link of whole code As i am not able to understand the code so can't say
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<TTilus>
and im trying to help you learn how to read that code
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<Ishant>
ok
<adaedra>
TTilus: i'm not sure there is understanding of the whole code context; hence determining what precise variables has for a role will be a difficult task, I guess.
<TTilus>
if you don't know the answer to my questions, you may very well answer "dunno" :D
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<TTilus>
adaedra: apparently, just trying to teach (a bit of) fishing instead of fishing for himi
<TTilus>
s/himi/him/
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<adaedra>
Happy fishing then.
<TTilus>
Ishant: i take that you don't know how "event" in "event[@field[1]]" reads?
<Ishant>
yes
<TTilus>
it is either a local variable or a method call
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<TTilus>
independent of that, it evaluates to a value
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<TTilus>
that value is an object (as everything in ruby is an object)
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<Ishant>
ok
<TTilus>
a method named "[]" of that object is then called with a single parameter
<TTilus>
value of that parameter comes from evaluating the expression "@field[1]"
<agent_white>
So... http://stackoverflow.com/a/24665413/5461126 -- I've never even heard of a "fixed template string" before. But this looks really neat. My google-fu is failing me on where to look to learn more about this! Any search suggestions appreciated.
<TTilus>
foo[bar] in ruby is just syntactic sugar for foo.[](bar)
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<Ishant>
ok
<TTilus>
i.e. calling method "[]" on "foo" with argument "bar"
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<TTilus>
"[]" in core ruby and standard libraries is by convention a lookup method
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<Ishant>
ok
<TTilus>
so assuming ruby conventions event[@field[1]] reads: take element 1 of @field and use that element as name/index to take an element from event
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<TTilus>
(where event might be a method call which returns a value from where the lookup is performed)
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<TTilus>
agent_white: that's called string interpolation in ruby
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<Ishant>
i have a question
<TTilus>
agent_white: sorry, string format
<agent_white>
TTilus: Seriously?
<agent_white>
Ah!
<agent_white>
I have never heard of it... it looks neat. Thank you :)
<Ishant>
how can i search user agent from any file
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<Ishant>
where it is present
<Ishant>
?
<TTilus>
Ishant: `grep -rin "user agent" files/"
<TTilus>
Ishant: are you talking about browser user agent string?
<Ishant>
can i use this in ruby code?
<Ishant>
i have my file in logstash
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<Ishant>
in logstash there is a yaml file
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<norc>
Ishant: If you want to learn Ruby I really recommend you take a book of your chosing...
<Ishant>
i have to write a ruby code to search user agent from there
<norc>
Ishant: Then start with a book.
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<Ishant>
can you please send me a small code how can i search it
<Ishant>
please
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<norc>
Ishant: I am going to give you the best advise, probably the only that will really help you:
<ljarvis>
Ishant: no, nobody should write this for you
<norc>
Start with a Ruby book.
<TTilus>
Ishant: we are willing to help you do your job, but not doing your job for you
<norc>
Or hire someone to teach you. But a book is probably cheaper.
<Ishant>
ok
<norc>
Now, if you want, we can give you good advise on decent books and learning material.
<Ishant>
thank you
<TTilus>
Ishant: if you absolutely need somebody to do the job for you, just hire one
<norc>
It's not that we don't want to help, but teaching or doing your job is not what we do. :-)
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<TTilus>
Ishant: using ruby to simply search a pile of text files feels totally overkill, why not just grep?
<Ishant>
i just want to know how to read the user agent from anywhere
<Ishant>
but i need to read
<Ishant>
first
<Ishant>
as you mentioned
<norc>
Ishant: As admirable as that is, that is your issue. We can only point you towards the tools.
<norc>
You have to do the work yourself.
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<agent_white>
Home-cooked meals are more satisfying than fast food :)
<adaedra>
Anytime.
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<TTilus>
Ishant: we might be able to point out shortcuts (what to focus on) if you tell a little more background of the task at hand, e.g. what files (type, format, size, count, ...), what is "user agent" (browser ua string?), what do you need that information for, etc.
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<Ishant>
i have some yaml files for which we have created a search.rb filter
<gregf_>
Ishant: when you say you need to search for a string in a file(s), you can use the shell for it. i'm not sure you would only need to use ruby for it. but if you feel you enjoy ruby, then, theres nothing wrong in that ;)
<Ishant>
in this filter i have to read the user agent from the file
<Ishant>
that is all
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<gregf_>
Ishant: what is 'user agent'? is it a string? or do you need to get the output from a http client? :|
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<Ishant>
yes it is s string
<gregf_>
s/get the output/parse the response/
<gregf_>
Ishant: so you can use grep, no?
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<Ishant>
i can not use that in ruby i think
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<gregf_>
Ishant: the web has so much on it. try and read on ``(backticks) or %x
<gregf_>
or system
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<TTilus>
gregf_: backticking out to grep would prolly be totally pointless since you can just grep directly from shell
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<shevy>
Ishant all the methods are available; you only have to read stuff. You have .scan() you have .grep() you have everything!
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<agent_white>
Ishant: Random note, but if you're the "Ishant_" in #ubuntu, changing permissions of a RO filesystem is not a good idea.
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<gregf_>
>> def foo; %w|foo bar baz quux useragent|; end; p foo.grep(/^user/).map(&:upcase)
<gregf_>
>> def foo; %w|foo bar baz quux useragent|; end; p foo.scan(/^user/).map(&:upcase)
<ruboto>
gregf_ # => undefined method `scan' for ["foo", "bar", "baz", "quux", "useragent"]:Array (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/474980)
<gregf_>
>> def foo; %w|foo bar baz quux useragent|; end; p foo.join.scan(/^user/).map(&:upcase)
<ytti>
india is all about doing much results with short time
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<shevy>
hehe
<ytti>
really we hear lot about the terrible outsourcing projects
<ytti>
and sure enough there are tons of incompetent people there, obviously, it's large country
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<ytti>
but also, at least in networking side, when you visit CSCO or JNPR, majority of the peeps are indians or pakistanis
<ytti>
really few caucasians writing code, in my experience
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<shevy>
http://goo.gl/WSRuAJ is better, I added javascript... I think those stats, even with the errors, seem to be vaguely correct from a look-and-feel ...
<shevy>
python gained, php declined a bit ... actually, it dropped quite a bit much the last some months... javascript is slowly gaining a bit... ruby dropped to a low in 2010 or so, and since then climbs a tiny tiny tiny wee bit ... perl on the other hand is in steady, slow decline
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<shevy>
ytti yeah, europe is so big but there are not enough programmers!
<gregf_>
Perl6 is going to be released this christmas
<blubjr>
perl 6 looks cool as hell
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<gregf_>
so its only the start ;). Perl6 could be the new Ruby 3 *hides*
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<gregf_>
blubjr: whoever said hell was cool ;)
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<agent_white>
What about perl11? Looks like there's that one single guy hacking away at _why's language.
<blubjr>
o_o
<agent_white>
(potion)
<agent_white>
erm
<agent_white>
nevermind, that was his username.
<agent_white>
ignore me
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<agent_white>
erm...(mumbles)
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<driftig>
You're on drugs.
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<shevy>
:D
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<driftig>
Probably crack-cocaine.
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<agent_white>
Nah just was blessed with 64kB RAM :)
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<driftig>
I want 32GB RAM on my next Macbook Pro, but OS X would probably use 10GB just to run.
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<gregf_>
64kb *cries*
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<shevy>
hmm I have 8 gig here... what are you going to do with 32 driftig
<adaedra>
driftig: I run OS X with 4GB of RAM.
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<driftig>
shevy: Virtual machines.
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<driftig>
adaedra: Macbook Air?
<adaedra>
An older MacBook Pro
<driftig>
adaedra: Must be pretty old.
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<adaedra>
2010.
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<shevy>
ancient!
<driftig>
Time flies when you're having technology.
<driftig>
Ten years from now 64GB RAM would be standard.
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<driftig>
OS X memory management is awful. It's probably the only thing that Linux gets mildly right.
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<adaedra>
norc: to be sure, you want to be able to do `Struct.new(:a, :b).new(a: 1, b: 2)`?
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<norc>
Ox0dea: Oh yes. :)
<Ox0dea>
driftig: More pertinently, somebody has the intentistinal fortitude to decrypt my code.
<Ox0dea>
What even is that word...?
* Ox0dea
goes to get more coffee.
<Ox0dea>
> intentistinal
<norc>
Ox0dea: Though struct has the attributes enforced...
<norc>
meh
<norc>
adaedra: Yeah
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<norc>
I mean Ox0dea's suggestion to use OpenStruct would work in a pinch, but I would like something more defensive (ideally predefining the possible attributes like Struct)
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<norc>
I mean I can just cook something myself easily, was just wondering whether there was some class or common pattern I overlooked
<adaedra>
It's not really a good solution to the problem imo.
<adaedra>
mh.
<Ox0dea>
norc: How is it you're interested in the Hash's values for this purpose?
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<Ox0dea>
Sorry, I missed the clarification back there.
<norc>
Ox0dea: Im cooking some really non standard model for my rails app. Since Im lazy I use tons of simple_form which makes a lot of assumptions about your model.
<Ox0dea>
Yes, I see now.
<adaedra>
You could do MyStruct.new(*hash.slice(MyStruct.members).values) to solve the order problem, but again, that wouldn't work if you're missing a key (and need a Hash#slice)
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<norc>
I have to construct it partially at times.
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<norc>
Ox0dea: It really seems like there is tons of really neat features in our christmas present.
<norc>
&. is the best by far though
<adaedra>
X-mas can't come fast enough.
<Ox0dea>
Just so, on all counts.
<shevy>
one month to xmas
<Ox0dea>
norc: I sure would like Perl 6's `.=` operator, though.
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<norc>
Ox0dea: I don't perl around. What does it do?
<Ox0dea>
I say `foo = foo.bar` pretty frequently, even though I know I oughtn't.
<adaedra>
oh.
<Ox0dea>
norc: That'd just be `foo .= bar` in P6.
<adaedra>
and &.=, too ?
<Ox0dea>
adaedra: Why do you hate the things I love?
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<adaedra>
Ox0dea: who said anything about hate?
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<Ox0dea>
I was being facetious. `&.=` would be a logical-enough follow-on, but it's hideous.
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<adaedra>
The operator or the principle?
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<Ox0dea>
Both, I suppose; wouldn't a failed `&.=` set the receiver to `nil`?
<norc>
Ox0dea: Yeah. These things are actually what gives Perl it's reputation. Giving you all the tools to do things you really shouldn't for sake of design or code readability.
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<adaedra>
I'd expect it do the same as foo = foo.bar if foo
<Ox0dea>
norc: I'm glad Ruby has hitherto largely avoided such a reputation, despite deserving it almost as much.
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<Ox0dea>
adaedra: I suspect very few people have ever written such a line.
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<norc>
Ox0dea: The thing I actually miss in Ruby is operator()
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<Ox0dea>
From C++?
<adaedra>
you mean #call ?
<norc>
Yeah.
<norc>
adaedra: Yup.
<Ox0dea>
We have #call...
<adaedra>
What would your thing do ruby doesn't already?
<norc>
It's just syntactic sugar
<adaedra>
Like a lot of Ruby
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<Ox0dea>
norc: We have ~30 operators that we're allowed to redefine as we please; I can't say I see what's missing.
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<norc>
Ox0dea: For a second I was actually wondering "wait, he didnt mean -31 did he?" :-
<norc>
:-/
<Ox0dea>
Guac.
<shevy>
well
<shevy>
function() in javascript, function() in ruby
<adaedra>
wat
<shevy>
we dont have def() !!!
<Ox0dea>
We don't have first-class methods.
<shevy>
WE ARE DOOMED
<adaedra>
no u
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<norc>
Ox0dea: Well. Sort of.
<Ox0dea>
norc: Hm?
<norc>
Ox0dea: Method?
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<Ox0dea>
norc: That's pretty second-class by my definition.
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<Ox0dea>
That we pass "methods" around as Symbols speaks volumes.
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<norc>
Ox0dea: Screw this. Including ActiveModel::Model into a Struct completely fucks up the class.
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<Ox0dea>
Yay, metaprogramming!
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<adaedra>
> expecting Active* to do neatly.
<norc>
Okay but that makes sense.
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<agent_white>
s/meta/mega/ !!
<norc>
But fine, Ill just use pure ActiveModel::Model.
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<dlitvak>
o/
<blubjr>
hi dlitvak
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<dlitvak>
anyone been in SA,TX this week? I'm watching most of the talks on youtube, it was pretty amazing
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<Ox0dea>
dlitvak: I've had to cherry-pick; what're some good ones I might've missed?
<shevy>
dlitvak whatever is worth to watch; ideally ruby, or something that is really good. don't think I have a lot of interest in "cloud"... tricks are always useful to me
<Ray`>
changes "the cloud" into "my butt"
<Ray`>
best headline I saw so far was "healthcare slowly inches into my butt"
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<adaedra>
Ox0dea: don't be a cloud.
<shevy>
haha
<shevy>
PeeChatting in the cloud, way to go Ox0dea!
<dlitvak>
shevy: i posted a bunch of links here, for the ones i found the most interesting
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<ytti>
who gave me extra space
<ytti>
rude
<shevy>
adaedra
<adaedra>
shevy
<shevy>
he is a padder
<adaedra>
She's a killer queen ♫
<shevy>
ytti are you saying that we can induce indent onto your IRC client? :D
<shevy>
that would be so cool
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<sandstrom>
I sometimes put modules inside my classes, to separate concerns. When they grow larger I sometimes move it to a separate file. Is this a bad pattern/practice? (Since in general I tend to use only modules for namespacing) Example: `module Earth; class Cat; end; end;` [earth/cat.rb] and then `module Earth; module Cat::Sounds; end; end;` [earth/cat/sounds.rb]
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<sandstrom>
(it feels 'okay' when the Sounds module is inside the cat class *and* file, but less so when it's outside)
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<adaedra>
?crosspost sandstrom
<ruboto>
sandstrom, Please do not crosspost without at least telling so and mentioning provided suggestions and their outcome in all channels. Experience shows that people don't do either, and not doing so is considered rude.
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<sandstrom>
sorry adaedra!
<norc>
sandstrom: That depends. Since you obviously asked in #rubyonrails the answer would be different there.
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<adaedra>
Otherwise, it does not seems too bad
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<sandstrom>
(I was actually curious about the nuances from rails vs. the broader ruby community)
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<norc>
sandstrom: Generally it's good. But when you get into Rails this can get messy because of Rails autoloading magic.
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<sandstrom>
norc Okay, thanks. So philosophically it's sounds (but may cause issues with rails autoloading; will check the answer in their channel for that)
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<shevy>
sandstrom I usually follow the "one class per file" approach
<Ox0dea>
havenwood: I let it die. I didn't even realize it stopped at 420, but somebody pointed it out and I figured it was a better stopping point than most.
<havenwood>
Ox0dea: ;D
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<shevy>
damn
<shevy>
does WEBrick::Daemon.start fire an exit! event?
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<apeiros>
Ox0dea: put differently: you're right. there's more :)
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<apeiros>
ja: iirc nokogiri (or maybe just hpricot?) defines a couple of methods like that, to implement css selectors and stuff
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<ja>
Ox0dea: Great example, thanks!
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<Ox0dea>
ja: Happy to help. :)
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<ja>
apeiros: Hah! I'm tempted to use it… ^_^ But I better go with just `confirmed_password=` or something.
<apeiros>
ja: indeed, that'd probably be wiser :)
<ja>
apeiros: o, cool! I miss hpricot… and _why :<
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<ja>
hi araujo
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<ja>
and arup_r, mostly
<arup_r>
hey ja
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<scrote>
hi
<ja>
oh hi there, scrote
<ja>
how're your rubies?
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<scrote>
Hi have have two instances of CentOS 7.1 and gem install works on one which is installed in a virtualbox VM, but it hangs on other (being on the bare metal). How do two exact copies of software yield different results?
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<Coraline>
As you know, computers.
<havenwood>
scrote: What's the gem? C extension?
<scrote>
treetop
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<havenwood>
scrote: What's the error message when it fails?
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<scrote>
havenwood: no error message it just hangs.
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<scrote>
are there any ports I have to forward on a firewall?
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<momomomomo>
scrote: Is your bare metal on OVH by any chance?
<momomomomo>
is it in a docker container?
<scrote>
also -V gives no feedback but I'm also using options --no-pi --op-rdoc --version ">=1.6.3" with -V too
<scrote>
what's OVH ?
<momomomomo>
where is your 'bare metal'
<scrote>
in a server closet
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<momomomomo>
scrote: is 443 open if fetching from https?
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<scrote>
yes
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<momomomomo>
scrote: are you already configured for https with git?
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<momomomomo>
basically: either open 22 for where you want to fetch from, or open 443 and configure for https
<scrote>
ok
<scrote>
what is 22 for?
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<vnk>
canton7: array.combination(2).any? { |a, b| a + b == n } what it does actually? first with combination(2) find all combinations with 2 elements from array and then we pass it with .any? to block and any? will return true if any of those combinations is equal to n? right?
<canton7>
yes
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<norc>
vnk: Well, == is called for whatever a + b is created with n as its argument.
<norc>
Point being, equality can differ from what you might expect for some classes
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<vnk>
norc: got it :) basicly we pass 2 arguments in this method. array and n.
<vnk>
what is name of this =~ in ruby? I see it at regular expression and want to google it to check out how it works extactly but I dont know what is its name lol :)
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<vnk>
norc: so basicly its mostly used when we need instance of string to test and dont touch? for example we wouldnt use =~ when we wanted to actually change string
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<norc>
vnk: It is meant to implement Pattern Match semantics.
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<norc>
vnk: But yeah, String#=~ does not modify the string.
<vnk>
norc: cool.. its little tricky to understund but I will keep reading about it and I guess it will clear to me soon. tnx
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<norc>
vnk: Just think of it to be similar to ==
<norc>
Test whether A follows the pattern B.
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<Papierkorb>
Is there a number type in ruby suitable for handling money values, including those with a 'point'?
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<Papierkorb>
Or does everyone use an Integer
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<norc>
Papierkorb: There is a rather popular money gem to make this painless.
<Papierkorb>
norc: thanks
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<norc>
Papierkorb: Or if you don't want to use an external dependency, most currencies can easily be handled by just fixiating on cent values and using plain Integer.
<norc>
The rest is just presentation.
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<norc>
Honestly should have never feed the XY problem here.
<[spoiler]>
A slowly creeping network error
<norc>
Either way - gems are delivered from rubygems/Amazon CDN.
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<[spoiler]>
aye
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<norc>
drbrain: Hey, are you around already?
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<norc>
Does Ruby provide some mechanism to reference the arguments on the local table?
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<norc>
Before I start fiddling around
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<[spoiler]>
what's a local table
<jbrhbr>
like the current local scope, i assume
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<jbrhbr>
locals() in python
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<norc>
[spoiler]: It's the area in the VM where your arguments are.
<[spoiler]>
there is `local_variables`
<norc>
Yeah already looked at it, that will not help if locals have been defined already
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<[spoiler]>
norc: you mean method arguments?
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<norc>
[spoiler]: Yeah.
<norc>
well
<[spoiler]>
Well, if you have `def meth(*args)` you have them in an array called `args`
<norc>
I know.
<norc>
Just want something generic like JavaScript arguments.
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<norc>
But I think I found a way to obtain them on my own
<chrisseaton>
Can I get a reference to Ruby's main object, from within a method defined somewhere else?
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<[spoiler]>
That is generic, though
<norc>
chrisseaton: TOPLEVEL_BINDING.eval('self')
<chrisseaton>
norc: hmm.. efficient... thanks though that'll do!
<norc>
There may be better ways that I'm not aware not.
<chrisseaton>
I guess I might just define TOP_LEVEL_SELF = self, even though it pollutes the namespace
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<norc>
chrisseaton: Why do you need the main object?
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<[spoiler]>
chrisseaton: not that I am aware of, you generally don't need it either
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<chrisseaton>
nor, [spoiler]: yeah I'm doing some Ruby implementation experiments - this is implementation internal code - I'm not going to subject any junior developers to this, don't worry
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<[spoiler]>
chrisseaton: if you want to define a globally available method, you can define it on Kernel or Object
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<[spoiler]>
norc: I don't think there's a way to do what you wanna do from Ruby, though. There might be a way in C (at least with the mruby API, but I'm sure there's a way with the MRI API, too)
<norc>
[spoiler]: I think I have a way to get it with Fiddler
<norc>
Testing at the moment
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<[spoiler]>
norc: let me know if you come up with something, I'm curious now, too
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<norc>
[spoiler]: Okay while trying to map out how to get the argc I figured out the solution. It is really simple actually. :)
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<norc>
Kernel#__method__ is all you need.
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<[spoiler]>
argc or argv?
<norc>
argc.
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<[spoiler]>
that returns the current method, though
<drbrain>
norc: local_variable_get and local_variable_set are coming in 2.3, IIRC
<norc>
So basically method(__method__).parameters gives them to you
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<drbrain>
or are they there now?
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<JosephSmith>
why doesn't ascii go up your ass?
<[spoiler]>
it gives you the list of parameters a function accepts, not the one it received when it was called, no?
<drbrain>
but to extract them you need to use eval for currently released rubies
<norc>
drbrain: Huh, local_variable_get has been around since 2.1 :)
<drbrain>
oh, it's on binding, that's right
<norc>
Also local_variables is no good after locals have been defined.
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<drbrain>
oh, I get it, I didn't read enough scrollback
<norc>
All good
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<adaedra>
Thanks, havenwood.
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<[spoiler]>
norc: but `method(__callee__).parameters` will return something like `[ [:req, :arg1], [:opt, :arg2] ]` not the number of arguments a function received, no?
<[spoiler]>
erm __method__ not __callee__
<[spoiler]>
although I think they do the same thing
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<jbrhbr>
what was the problem again with def f(**args); args; end ?
<guardian>
hello what's the idiomatic way to do the following: knowing result = @cache.get(foo) <-- return result if result is not nil
<guardian>
please
<[spoiler]>
jbrhbr: there isn't a problem, the idea was to debug how a method was being called without making assumptions about the arguments
<jbrhbr>
ahh i see
<hanmac>
hey you guys, why are you using method(__method__).parameters and maybe not something like local_variables?
<norc>
guardian: return result unless result.nil?
<guardian>
looks better than if end indeed
<[spoiler]>
hanmac: because local_variables contains all local variables
<norc>
(or just test with result directly, I just prefer to explicitly test for nil? for readability)
<jbrhbr>
you could wrap the method in another method using the **construct and print your debug info
<jbrhbr>
then you don't have to modify the method or assume anything about it
<[spoiler]>
jbrhbr: indeed! it was just golfing, though
<jbrhbr>
ok :)
<norc>
jbrhbr: No. The excercise came from byebugging into the middle of an existing function.
<[spoiler]>
ooh
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<norc>
I mean byebug most likely has all the tools available to do this on its own
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<norc>
But that really wasn't the point. ;-)
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<norc>
hanmac: Because if you are in the middle there may have been local variables added
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<jbrhbr>
works for me. i'm just asking stuff out of curiosity since i'm new to ruby
<norc>
jbrhbr: I'm doing all these things for the same reason.
<norc>
Curiosity and relatively low knowedge about Ruby.
<jbrhbr>
heh nice :)
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<guardian>
now I have another noob question: there's that gem I'm modifying. How can I tell irb to require that local gem, and also make sure all require() calls resolve locally? So far I'm using load() to load files I modified and that looks dirty
<norc>
guardian: Are you using bundler?
<[spoiler]>
guardian: you can use require_local?
<[spoiler]>
or require '/full/path/
<[spoiler]>
guardian: also, checkout pry
<[spoiler]>
?pry
<ruboto>
Pry, the better IRB. Includes easy object inspection via `ls`, `history`, docs view with `?`, source view with `$` and syntax highlighting, among other features (see `help` for more). It can also be used for easy debugging by putting `binding.pry` directly in your source code. Visit https://pryrepl.org/ or get it now with: gem install pry pry-doc
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<VeryBewitching>
G'day folks.
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<apeiros>
elo VeryBewitching
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<vasilakisfil>
when defining some methods on a class, when should I make them class methods and when instance methods, given that I don't need a state?
<jhass>
if you don't need state (and thus instances), don't make a class
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<jhass>
make a module with only `module_function`s or singleton methods (`def self.`)
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<vasilakisfil>
but then I don't have private methods
<vasilakisfil>
no I have, my bad
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<Radar>
> "Please help me with this code"
<Radar>
> <talks about code rather than actually showing code>
<Radar>
vasilakisfil: see a problem?
<vasilakisfil>
I am talking generally
<Radar>
General talk comes from real code, typically.
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<vasilakisfil>
like best practices etc
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<Radar>
It really boils down to what the methods do.
<vasilakisfil>
I think it comes from experience
<vasilakisfil>
I mean there are many ways you can do the same thing, at least in ruby
<Radar>
The descriptions you've given so far are not adequate enough to provide a concrete answer.
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<vasilakisfil>
but experience usually helps you
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<vasilakisfil>
of course in combination with your current context/problem you want to solve
<Radar>
I have 10 years experience doing Ruby and I don't have an answer for you.
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<shevy>
hehe
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<[spoiler]>
Tempted to turn off join/part messages because the log is a mess right now
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<shevy>
vasilakisfil class methods are nice when you don't need to have (or return and work) an object; the whole activerecord stack makes heavy use of that -> see there for an example, and it directly compares to .new so you actually have both http://guides.rubyonrails.org/active_record_basics.html#create
<[spoiler]>
Radar: but then I will do monologues. I have a reputation for it on a few RP channels, where I'd continue to talk with myself
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<[spoiler]>
vasilakisfil: Why do you need private methods on a module's singleton class anyway?
<[spoiler]>
it defeats the purpose of a module method
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<[spoiler]>
since you generally want to call them "publicly"
<vasilakisfil>
I was thinking in the context of class methods, like a helper method but not available in the public api
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<[spoiler]>
Sounds to me like you need a private instance method?
<Radar>
yay for theoretical discussions which of course will end with clear understanding on behalf of all parties
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<[spoiler]>
Lol ^
<adaedra>
[spoiler]: some clients have a smart hiding of join/part, showing only relevant ones.
<jhass>
[spoiler]: I recommend 15 minutes for the delay
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<norc>
[spoiler]: Well, the question is not whether one needs *private* methods on a singleton class of a module, but whether one needs methods on a singleton class of a module at all.
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<[spoiler]>
jhass, adaedra: omg thanks! :D
<norc>
private just doesn't expose them to the outside, thus limiting visibility to your interface
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<shevy>
they can just use .send :)
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<[spoiler]>
All your dirty laundry can be seen in Ruby
<norc>
shevy: visibility has nothing to do with making it impossible
<[spoiler]>
It's worse than the NSA
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<norc>
shevy: For example in C++ it is very common to only make those members of a class public that you actually want to be accessible from the outside. You can still work around that if you really want to.
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<norc>
If you make things public, people will use it. If its private, you probably shouldn't use it because it's not part of the interface, may contain implementation details and be subject to change.
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<[spoiler]>
^
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<[spoiler]>
but it was more of a joke; there's still no reason to make a module singleton method be private, since it shouldn't (in a sane world) mutate any state, so it should be safe to call it. If you really want it private, it probably should be an instance method, though
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<fxkr>
hi! im not a ruby dev. i have this package (vagrant-libvirt) and i want to build a gem. "bundle package" will only tell me one missing dependency at a time. how do i get it to tell me all missing dependencies so that i can "gem install" them in one go?
<shevy>
norc I approve that C++ adopted ruby's way of working around it :)
<adaedra>
fxkr: no need, just run `bundle install`
<norc>
[spoiler]: Still. Let's say you have a Math::prime function. Now that may be implemented with some algorithm with parts or the entirety being encapsulated in a private method.
<fxkr>
adaedra: no, i want a gem, so that i can feed that to fpm to build me an RPM. but anyway, "bundle install" has the same problem.
<adaedra>
It should install them all at once.
<fxkr>
it doesnt.
<fxkr>
Updating files in vendor/cache
<fxkr>
Could not find unf-0.1.4.gem for installation
<norc>
Because it is implementation details you don't want a user to know about. You just want them to use your interface.
<adaedra>
But if you want the dependency list, it's in the `Gemfile` file
<fxkr>
install that, get the next one: Could not find domain_name-0.5.25.gem for installation
<adaedra>
that's weird
<fxkr>
that sums up my experience with ruby and dependencies :( (sorry for being bitter. its been a long day.)
<adaedra>
does it complains about a lack of `source`, maybe?
<adaedra>
It's not supposed to be like that
<[spoiler]>
norc: I agree that it might be implementation dependant, but there's no way to hide it. If people wanna shot themselves in the leg, they can and they will no matter how hard you try to hide it from them. This way they'll spend more time figuring out how to shoot themselves rather than move on onto the proper solution
<[spoiler]>
i meant no reason, not no way
<norc>
[spoiler]: Indeed. It's not about securing but discouraging. :)
<norc>
If anything but to save you from the headache of clueless people wandering about your bug tracker because *you* changed internal methods.
<fxkr>
adaedra: nope. entire output is: "Resolving dependencies...", n times "Using xyz...", "Updating files in vendor/cache"
<shevy>
fxkr wheee you are also a fpm hipster! I still did not get to work on it but it's on my (always growing) todo list
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<Radar>
fxkr: 'bundle install' doesn't fix the issues?
<fxkr>
Radar: no.
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<Radar>
Oh, you said that earlier I just saw.
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<Radar>
?gist fxkr the command + full error message you're getting please
<ruboto>
fxkr, https://gist.github.com - Multiple files, syntax highlighting, even automatically with matching filenames, can be edited
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<fxkr>
yes, they all do. i can make progress if i "gem install" them one by one.
<shevy>
:)
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<driftig>
baweaver: Yes.
<shevy>
long live the oldschool ways
<driftig>
Amen.
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<[spoiler]>
fxkr: did you try `bundle package --all`?
<driftig>
Those of us who knew the pop pop ret game before every wankster in the world owned a 486 with AOL.
<fxkr>
[spoiler]: no, but i did now, and it doesnt help. output ends with "Could not find ... for installation" too.
<[spoiler]>
god damn it
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<shevy>
driftig I assume you used to play games in the old days but are not exactly happy with the games in the modern era too!
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<driftig>
shevy: Back when Windows 95 was a hit song.
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<[spoiler]>
i feel like too many modern games don't rely on the story, but rely too heavily on graphics and gameplay
<jbrhbr>
long live final fantasy 1!
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<[spoiler]>
I never played any of the FF games, but I read the stories of a lot of them on FF (one user turns the stories into... stories on fanfiction.net) and it's a pretty good read
<[spoiler]>
I haven't read them in some time, though
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<ruboto>
this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related problems. Thanks!
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<[spoiler]>
Night, all!
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<EvilDMP>
hello, if jekyll is failing to notice that changes have been made to the site files (i.e it is failing to trigger a rebuild) what's the likely problem
<EvilDMP>
?
<EvilDMP>
I thought I'd fixed this the other week...
<jhass>
ask #jekyll ?
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<EvilDMP>
jhass: I think it might be a more general Ruby issue; I had a command not found: jekyll so did a gem install jekyll; now this
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<jhass>
I guess jekyll needs some dependency for it that has gone missing as well?
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<jericon>
I have two dates. I want to iterate on the range from olddate to newdate. But instead of doing it on a day by day basis (like you would get if you did (olddate..newdate), I want to iterate only on %Y%m (YYYYMM). Is there any way to do this?
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<jhass>
mh, .step(30) but that'll drift
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<adaedra>
If you've a Date, you can use << 1 iirc
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<ruboto>
adaedra # => undefined method `>>' for 2015-11-24 23:07:59 +0000:Time (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/475316)
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<adaedra>
So yeah, works only on Date apparently.
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<jericon>
context: I'm writing a script to manage monthly partitions in MySQL. Partitions are named YYYYMM. so I need to have a range (oldest partition to keep, newest partition to have) and then evaluate each. If a partition on the table is older than the oldest, it gets dropped. If it's in the range and doesn't exist, it gets created
<jhass>
>> require "date"; range = Date.today..(Date.today + 180); enum = Enumerator.new {|y| s = range.begin; while s <= range.end; y << s; s >>= 1; end; }; enum.to_a
<ruboto>
jhass # => [#<Date: 2015-11-24 ((2457351j,0s,0n),+0s,2299161j)>, #<Date: 2015-12-24 ((2457381j,0s,0n),+0s,22991 ...check link for more (https://eval.in/475317)
<jericon>
That might work. Then I can use strftime to get it into the right format
<jhass>
yup
<jericon>
Thanks.
<jhass>
wrap it into a nice method
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