havenwood changed the topic of #ruby to: Rules & more: http://ruby-community.com || Ruby 2.2.3; 2.1.7; 2.0.0-p647: https://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on https://gist.github.com || log @ http://irclog.whitequark.org/ruby/
<jhass> TeresaP: I don't understand the question, sorry
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<TeresaP> jhass let's say I'm doing this: rescue RuntimeError => e
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<TeresaP> And under certain conditions I may decide not to raise
<TeresaP> If I continue on from there, will the thread be dead?
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<jhass> I'd say to not reraise the exception in a rescue is the normal thing, reraising is a lot rarer IME
<jhass> the thread will die if the exception is not handled within it
<jhass> reraising it counts as "not handling" it
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<TeresaP> I have good reasons :)
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<TeresaP> jhass what counts as handling it then?
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<jhass> rescue'ing it
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<jhass> without reraising it inside the rescue
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<TeresaP> ah ok great
<jhass> seriously, set Thread.abort_on_exception
<TeresaP> sounds like that'll work then
<baweaver> don't use raise for flow control
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<TeresaP> jhass I was just trying to determine if I needed to recreate the thread :)
<TeresaP> sounds like no
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<TeresaP> Thanks!
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<ismaelga> does any one know a benchmark-ips like for Node.js?
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<Radar> ismaelga: did you google for that yet?
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<ismaelga> hi Rada! :) yep. I want a node.js version of it. I know this isn't the right place for it
<Ox0dea> Then GTFO?
<Ox0dea> <3
<ismaelga> But at least I know you guys know what I want :p
<Radar> ismaelga: Did you realise that there is a #node.js channel?
<Radar> This is not a directory service.
<ismaelga> also I needed one that works with Promises (thou I'm not sure if it even makes sense :s)
<Ox0dea> ismaelga: You're being quite rude.
<ismaelga> Radar: yes! And I asked there too
<Radar> ismaelga: I'm agreeing with Ox0dea here.
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<ismaelga> oh :( sorry guys
<ismaelga> I mean...
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<ismaelga> I was just trying to get some help since no one answered me on #Node.js
<Radar> If you want to ask Node questions, ask them on #Node.js
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<adaedra> Or to Google
<Radar> End of discussion.
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<ismaelga> wow. Ok. I'm sorry. Your totally right. I never though there was a problem asking it here...
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<ismaelga> thanks for your time. (I'm really sorry)
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<Ox0dea> ismaelga: Following your rationale to its logical conclusion, there should just be one massive channel, because then surely *somebody* will be around to answer any given question. I suspect you can't in good conscience say that you'd prefer that state of affairs.
<havenwood> ismaelga: It's irc so it may take a while for a response. I'd suggest explaining what benchmark-ips is there as concisely as you can and then hang out a while to see if you get a bite.
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<Ox0dea> Alternatively, be the change you wish to see in the world.
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<ismaelga> Ox0dea: I agree with you 100%. I was just not thinking clearly I guess... Must be for working too long with javascript
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<ismaelga> In my mind I was seeing channels as communities, and I though it would be perfectly fine by question it here. But yeah, I can see now that doesn't make much sense
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<ismaelga> * to question it here
<havenwood> Node? Where!? Get it!
<ismaelga> eheh
<ismaelga> <3
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<ismaelga> havenwood for a sec I though you banned me 0.0
<havenwood> ismaelga: No, certainly not! :)
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<ismaelga> I know I sounded rude. But it's probably because I can't express me that well in english. I might sound like a robot without feelings but I'm not
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<ismaelga> express myself?
<slash_nick> correct
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<shevy> lol
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<null2> Question: How can I use a variable in an object name? eg: obj#{var} = String.new
<Ox0dea> null2: You probably don't actually want to do that.
<Ox0dea> Also, nobody says `String.new`.
<null2> I want to YAML::load a serialized object from disk and save it into an object which is the same as its filename on disk.
<Ox0dea> No. Use a Hash.
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<null2> I don't understand what you mean. Link to something?
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<slash_nick> an object... you mean a variable?
<Ox0dea> null2: I suspect this isn't some constraint imposed on your code by something else, so just avoid the pain of dynamic identifier names.
<slash_nick> i want the variable name to match the file name?
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<EllisTAA> ?offtopic
<ruboto> this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related problems. Thanks!
<Ox0dea> !cops
<Ox0dea> null2: Do you not have multiple serialized objects to load, then?
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<null2> Ox0dea: I do
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<jhass> EllisTAA: what exactly do you see as offtopic here?
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<EllisTAA> jhass: i was just trying to get the name of the offtopic channel
<jhass> EllisTAA: ?offtopic is for redirecting something there, in the future please just ask or use the alis service, /msg alis help
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<Ox0dea> null2: Then yeah, you want a Hash mapping paths to deserialized objects.
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<Ox0dea> Dir['foo/*'].each_with_object({}) { |file, hash| hash[file] = YAML.load_file file }
<Ox0dea> Something like that under the assumption they're all in the same directory.
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<baweaver> #ruby-offtopic ?
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<Ox0dea> I'll be honest: I expected that to be empty.
<slash_nick> lol.. i ran into that tweet the other day
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<Ox0dea> Were you speeding?
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<slash_nick> always
<slash_nick> i got those wpm yo
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<Ox0dea> WTFs per mile.
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<slash_nick> websearches per minute
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<quarters> hello. I was wondering if rbenv can be used with linux. If not, is there a recommended alternative?
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<Ox0dea> quarters: It can, but chruby + ruby-install is better.
<havenwood> quarters: +1 chruby
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<quarters> Ox0dea: sweet. Thank you. I'm guessing I can run apps that use rbenv w/no issues
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<Ox0dea> quarters: No?
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<quarters> b/c ruby mgrs shouldn't affect compatibility
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<Ox0dea> If some application uses rbenv and you don't have rbenv installed...
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<havenwood> quarters: It's easy to point chruby to be able to see Rubies you installed with rbenv.
<quarters> nice
<quarters> thank you
<quarters> Ox0dea: because ultimately, rbenv isn't included in the gem file, which pretty much determines the app's dependencies, no?
<quarters> at least that's how I understood it
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<Ox0dea> quarters: If rbenv is a "dependency", something has gone very wrong.
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<quarters> Ox0dea: that's kind of my point...it's not a dependency, so running the app on a computer that doesn't have rbenv installed shouldn't break the app
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<havenwood> quarters: If you only need a single version of Ruby then you don't even need a Ruby version switcher.
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<quarters> havenwood: unfortunately(or fortunately?), I'm working on a project that uses jruby whereas I typically use ruby
<havenwood> quarters: Yeah, in development it's handy to be able to switch.
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<shevy> so yorickpeterse tweets offtopic!
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<blubjr`> hi, shevy
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<Melpaws> is there a ruby equivalent for mongoimport —file from a json file? collection.insert(x) is not working for me
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<havenwood> Melpaws: I don't follow. Say more about the file with JSON and what you're trying to do?
<baweaver> !mute Strygwyr
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<baweaver> I would suggest not clicking that link
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<baweaver> yeah, no
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<Melpaws> sorry @havenwood. I have json file that i would like to import into a collection. I've tried a number of things from open file read into a variable. Then use that variable as the document name Or read a json file for each line and do something like : https://gist.github.com/dylnnlsn/ab2fe9a2c1eacd358baa
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<havenwood> Melpaws: I'm still foggy. Here's an example of reading and parsing some JSON from a file: require 'json'; json = File.read 'tmp.json'; JSON.parse json
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<Melpaws> hm. do i have to parse the json or can the mongo client do that when using the import? (sorry .. i'm probably not communicating the best i can ). Ultimate goal is to get a json file i have into a mongo collection.
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<koolq> Does anybody find real bugs anymore?
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<havenwood> koolq: Yes.
<havenwood> Melpaws: I think ask the Mongo folk.
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<Melpaws> cool ; will do :)
<havenwood> koolq: One bug, Two bugs, Red bug, Blue bug ... Say! What a lot of bugs there are.
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<koolq> havenwood: The Alex in Alex Sotirov, bow in the presence of greatness. You should even be honoured I'd show up for this fake shit!
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<havenwood> koolq: This is not good, and I know why. A mouse has cut the wire, goodbye!
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<koolq> havenwood: You aren't very good at this.
<havenwood> koolq: Have a Ruby question?
<koolq> havenwood: I'm a ruby-pro. :)
<havenwood> koolq: Be nice?
<koolq> havenwood: Have I not been?
<koolq> [Not really interested in this dialogue, or sure how we arrived at it.]
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<havenwood> koolq: Ah, not a ruby-pro like voiced in #ruby-pro.
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<havenwood> koolq: Well, happy Ruby to you in any case.
<koolq> havenwood: That's exactly what I was referring to, but the channel is a bit dead, sadly.
<havenwood> koolq: Ah, yeah.
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<havenwood> koolq: Time for a renaissance I suppose.
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<koolq> I suppose.
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<koolq> Interesting. fizzbuzz.rubyforge.org
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<koolq> I wonder at which point entry-level jobs for ruby programmers became the rage enough for a fizzbuzz gem.
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<blubjr`> two years ago
<blubjr`> ruby is dying
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<koolq> blubjr: I reckon Scala jobs are becoming a lot more popular.
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<EllisTAA> would it be possible to download a mobile app to my desktop??
<EllisTAA> could i download yelp for iphones to my macbook?
<koolq> blubjr: I don't know why Ruby popularity is dying. Then again, Rust exists.
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<jhass> EllisTAA: that's related to Ruby how?
<havenwood> koolq: Ruby seems to be holding strong well above Scala levels. Neither seem to be waxing or waning much as far as I can tell.
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<koolq> EllisTAA: Emulators exist, but I'm not sure that it's all very interesting; this has little to do with Ruby.
<koolq> havenwood: I suppose it depends on the industry you're in.
<havenwood> koolq: No doubt!
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<fschuindt> @foo = Bar.new. How can I know all methods of @foo? But only the methods of Bar, not methods like .nil? or all the other ones?
<havenwood> fschuindt: Try: public_methods(false)
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<fschuindt> havenwood: yupi! thank you
<koolq> pry does something interesting with inherited objects, and their methods available.
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<sandbird> hi all, i'm trying to implement a basic graph thru adjacency lists
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<sandbird> eg, adj = { a => [d,c], b => [], c => [e,f] ... }
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<sandbird> my vertices need to have a couple of properties so i made a simple class
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<sandbird> i'd like to know if there is a way to initialize vertices a thru n in a loop, instead of each individually
<sandbird> eg, a = Vertex.new 'a' and so on
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<droptone> Question: I have a method that takes an XMLRPC datetime value returned from an API, then does a .to_time.strftime() on it, and it works fine.
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<droptone> But for some unknown reason, on this one specific value, .to_time fails, but if I run .inspect on the value it appears fine.
<droptone> It's very strange.
<droptone> The inspect call on it returns this: INSPECT: #<XMLRPC::DateTime:0x00000003c9b208 @year=1947, @month=6, @day=1, @hour=0, @min=0, @sec=0>
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<droptone> Here's an inspect call on one that .to_time works on fine: INSPECT: #<XMLRPC::DateTime:0x00000003d6b7f0 @year=2008, @month=1, @day=1, @hour=0, @min=0, @sec=0>
<droptone> Is it because the year is 1947 and that's too far in the past? That's the only thing I can imagine being wrong here.
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<kiki_lamb> Anyonne familiar with the 'Modularity' gem? I've been playing with it, I notice it hasn't been updated in a couple of years... is it dead, has it been replaced, or is it just good enough as is?
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<droptone> kiki_lamb: In my experience, if a gem hasn't been updated in a few years, it's dead. It may still work or be useful, but it's not under active development.
<droptone> Because there's always some new Ruby build coming out or some new bug to fix.
<kiki_lamb> droptone: i dunno, for multi-year old gems, i've seen a pretty even split between 'dead' and 'replaced by something better', just curious which it is in this case
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<kiki_lamb> cause, you know, if it's the latter case, I should go play with that instead.
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<yes`r> O_O
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<droptone> You raise a fair point.
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<N|GGER> do i?
<setient> jfc.
<setient> no
<setient> don't feed the kid
<droptone> "Don't feed the troll"
<N|GGER> thank god i'm not being called a troll anymoer
<N|GGER> fuck you
<setient> kid
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<setient> see
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<havenwood> !mute N|GGER troll
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<setient> can you bant
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<droptone> I'm guessing that's the guy who came in here getting feedback on possibly creating a programming language based on ebonics.
<setient> because join messages
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<droptone> So there's no way to stop old Nigger here?
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<droptone> Because I did have a question.
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<havenwood> !ban N|GGER !P
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<setient> i ignored it.
<koolq> Why are people trolls?
<setient> idk
<droptone> koolq: parental issues.
<droptone> "Dad never paid attention to me", "mom was overbearing", one or the other openly favored a sibling, etc.
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<droptone> So anyway, I have a question, it may have been answered but nigger forced my logs past my buffer.
<setient> ask again!
<setient> maybe i can help
<droptone> I have an XMLRPC::DateTime object I'm returning from an API, and I"m using to_time.strftime to be able to print leading zeros for day, month, etc.
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<droptone> and it's working fine, but for this one specific value, for no apparently reason, .to_time is failing.
<droptone> And I"m guessing it has to do with how old the date is, the year is 1947. Does the .to_time method use epoch time and can't handle dates with years older than 1970 or some such?
<setient> that most likey sounds right. for $REASONS.
<droptone> Yeah, so that's an issue.
<setient> google handling dates earlier than 1970 ruby
<droptone> Is there some other method to print leading zeros than .to_time?
<setient> i haven't done this mind you but that sounds like a legit guess
<droptone> I use .to_time, then .strftime
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<droptone> Time class has some limit. Firstly, it can only represent dates between 1970 and 2038 ( since ruby v1.9.2, it can represent 1823-11-12 to 2116-02-20 ). Secondly, the time zone is limited to UTC and the system’s local time zone in ENV['TZ'].
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<droptone> According to this, since 1.9.2, it can handle 1823 to 2116, and I'm using 2.2.2p95
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<droptone> What an odd thing.
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<dopie> has anyone used RETS before?
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<reactormonk> cannot load such file -- test/unit/assertions - which gem should that be in?
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<havenwood> droptone: In the future please don't feed trolls by repeating their obnoxious names.
<droptone> Hah, will do.
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<havenwood> droptone: It all ends on Tue Jan 19 03:14:07 GMT Standard Time 2038.
<havenwood> droptone: Epoch time.
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<havenwood> 2038 is getting disturbing close.
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<havenwood> Thank goodness for 64-bit Ruby.
<havenwood> A Sunday in December in the year 292,277,026,596 is more acceptable.
<droptone> havenwood: my question is, convering this XMLRPC::DateTime object .to_time is failing for no apparent reason
<droptone> and the only thing I'm noticing is that the date is 1947
<droptone> the year of the date.
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<droptone> Should that fail? According to this article it should support as far back as 1823: http://stevenyue.com/2013/03/23/date-time-datetime-in-ruby-and-rails/
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<droptone> I don't need epoch time, I"m just using .to_time to then use .strftime so I can print the month and day with leading zeros.
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<havenwood> droptone: It returns `nil` unless `Time.gm(*to_a)`.
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<havenwood> droptone: Sorry, paste fail.
<havenwood> droptone: Returns `nil` unless `@year >= 1970`.
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<havenwood> droptone: Is that what you're running into?
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<droptone> havenwoord: back, sorry, checking your link.
<droptone> Yup, that's it.
<havenwood> droptone: It seems XMLRPC::DateTime docs and methods haven't been updated for the change you point out.
<droptone> That's the exact issue.
<droptone> *sigh*
<droptone> Ok, so, if I want to print leading zeros, as I would with .to_time.strftime
<droptone> Any other methods you might recommend?
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<havenwood> droptone: You could monkey-patch a fix for the method yourself. I don't know the best actual alternative.
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<shevy> patch that monkey, patch it real good
<havenwood> freedom patch*
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<droptone> lol
<droptone> Naah, lucky for me, this API I'm transferring data too allows single-digit entries for day and month separated by dashes.
<droptone> Hopefully they never fix that.
<droptone> Any way to make a request for whomever is in charge of that aspect of the Ruby codebase fix it?
<droptone> Since Time itself was patched back in 1.9.2?
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<droptone> How does one go about making such a request?
<havenwood> droptone: You can report a bug on Ruby's bug tracker here: https://redmine.ruby-lang.org/projects/ruby/wiki/HowToReport
<havenwood> droptone: Or a pull request on the Githubs.
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<havenwood> droptone: :D
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<droptone> Feature request submitted.
<droptone> Hmm
<droptone> havenwood: Do you think it'd be possible to take an XMLRPC::DateTime and use the values to create a standard Time object, which would support dates prior to 1970?
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<droptone> Perhaps simply obj = DateTime.parse("#{xmlobj.year}-#{xmlobj.month}-#{xmlobj.day} #{xmlrpc.hour}:#{xmlrpc.min}:#{xmlrpc.sec}")?
<droptone> something like that?
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<droptone> I ask before inserting it into my codebase
<droptone> sorry, I screwed that up, but you get the gist.
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<droptone> Anyone? I'm giving it a shot.
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<norc> >> StandardError.singleton_class.send(:define_method, :===) { |a| false }; begin; raise StandardError; rescue; end
<ruboto> norc # => StandardError (StandardError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/472391)
<norc> Beautiful.
<norc> So. Next step is to figure out a way to throw into a rescue clause. :)
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<norc> >> Exception.singleton_class.send(:define_method, :===) { |a| false }; raise Exception
<ruboto> norc # => /tmp/execpad-573c9a03fb2d/source-573c9a03fb2d:2:in `<main>': Exception (Exception) (https://eval.in/472392)
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<afschw> People got genuinely bored of Ruby.
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<jetter> what do you think of Jared Fogle? Can the same thing be said for homosexuals? Why or why not?
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<toomus> Hi all
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<toomus> How to produce string like this from array without tens of IF's?
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<antoniobeyah> toomus: does the order matter?
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<toomus> antoniobeyah: yes
<toomus> antoniobeyah: order must be the same as in array
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<norc> >> ['johnny', 'teddy', 'lui'].join(", ")
<ruboto> norc # => "johnny, teddy, lui" (https://eval.in/472417)
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<norc> toomus: You can use Array#join and #[] to achieve the desired effect.
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<norc> This is how Rails implements that functionality.
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<norc> You will probably end up duplicating that case statement if you do it correctly.
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<toomus> norc: thx for to_sentence() function :D
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<antoniobeyah> maybe a little extreme but it was fun
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<antoniobeyah> looking at the rails example is interesting. i didn’t know you could do a …-1
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<apeiros> hm, pondering to make the following feature request for ruby:
<apeiros> let all core bang methods return true/false instead of self/nil
<apeiros> there's so many people who experience the `returns self` case in the majority of cases and rely on it. only to have broken code because in some cases it will return nil.
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<antoniobeyah> apeiros: wouldn’t that break method chaining?
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<apeiros> antoniobeyah: that's the point - if you chain on bang methods, your code *already is* broken
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<apeiros> and this change would make it abundantly clear that your code is broken.
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<apeiros> because now it isn't only broken in the (potentially edge-) case of the bang method returning nil.
<apeiros> s/isn't only/wouldn't only be/
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<apeiros> e.g.: ary.uniq!.first # <- this code is broken. it will work for some cases, but break in some. e.g. with ary = [1,2,3]
<antoniobeyah> i think only in some cases would your code be broken though, not always
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<apeiros> antoniobeyah: if your code breaks in some cases, it is broken.
<apeiros> there's no middleground here.
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<antoniobeyah> i can hear that argument, not sure I would agree in all cases though. you certainly have other options to handle the cases I’m thinking of
<antoniobeyah> such as .reject
<apeiros> .reject isn't a bang method.
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<apeiros> .reject! is. and reject! is precisely one of those which can return nil. so chaining on it is broken code.
<antoniobeyah> yeah what I was saying is that the cases I am thinking of could be replaced by the reject
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<apeiros> correct. if you want to chain, you use the non-bang method.
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<antoniobeyah> i don’t use bang methods often, only when I know there will be invalid values in there. really only use flatten! and compact! after map operations
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<apeiros> chained to the map? if so -> broken code. because you almost certainly want the return value.
<apeiros> you'd be a prime candidate to profit from this change then :-p
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<antoniobeyah> nah, the code certainly works, runs every hour ;)
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<apeiros> it runs != it's correct
<apeiros> it works by chance. and it's important to recognize that.
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<apeiros> i.e., it'll work until you happen to not have a nil value in your map result.
<apeiros> >> [1,2,3].compact!
<ruboto> apeiros # => nil (https://eval.in/472440)
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<apeiros> *whoops*
<apeiros> and there's absolutely *no reason* to use compact! there instead of the for this situation correct compact
<antoniobeyah> when will: ['a', '1'], ['b', '2']].flatten! fail?
<antoniobeyah> missed a [
<apeiros> >> [].flatten!
<ruboto> apeiros # => nil (https://eval.in/472443)
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<apeiros> and there too - *no reason* to use flatten! instead of flatten.
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<apeiros> so yeah, you're indeed a prime candidate for this change. you use the wrong method for no good reason and you're atm lucky that your broken code hasn't failed.
<apeiros> the change would force you to use the correct method and not risk your code to break.
<antoniobeyah> so you are making the assumption that the input isn’t controlled by the caller?
<apeiros> there's no assumption.
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<apeiros> if you want the return value, the current API of the bang methods means they're the wrong choice. there's really nothing to discuss about that part.
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<antoniobeyah> i see what you’re getting at, i can certainly see how it could be a slippery slope or a code smell
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<apeiros> it's neither. it's not a slippery slope. it's not a code smell. it is broken code.
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<antoniobeyah> how do you define broken?
<antoniobeyah> that may be where our disconnect lies
<apeiros> buggy. not correct. working by chance instead of by design.
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<apeiros> it's like `a = b/c` with b & c being integers works. it's broken code if c can be 0.
<antoniobeyah> so your assertion is that you cannot make code that is not buggy and correct if you use bang methods
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<apeiros> no
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<apeiros> I say that if a) you use bang methods for their return value and b) assume their return value to be the receiver, *then* your code is broken.
<apeiros> you can write perfectly correct code using bang methods. you can even write perfectly correct code using their return value. if you use the return value as an indicator for "something happened" (because that's what their return value is about)
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<apeiros> e.g. `if str.gsub!(a,b) then puts "we had to amend your input" else puts "your input was fine, thanks" end`
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<apeiros> but: `sanitized = str.gsub!(a,b)` is broken. there's no discussing that away.
<apeiros> the correct method for that would be gsub. not gsub!.
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<apeiros> it may work. it may work for the majority of input. but it's still not correct.
<antoniobeyah> ok, so you position is actually isn’t that its broken code, its more that ‘it depends’
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<antoniobeyah> which we are in agreement about
<shevy> :D
<apeiros> …
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<ishamo> No rule to make target `/include/ruby.h', needed by `ossl_pkey_dsa.o'.
<apeiros> if all code using bang methods was broken I'd say remove it. *obviously* it depends. and I said under which conditions. and you were actually making a point in my case by exhibiting the precise way people fall into the pitfall.
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<ishamo> how to solf this? No rule to make target `/include/ruby.h', needed by `ossl_pkey_dsa.o'.
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<platzhirschi> This is making me crazy any idea what's causing the inequality here? https://gist.github.com/platzhirsch/7afb3427e6566e7e6225 ? millisecond difference?
<apeiros> platzhirschi: probably
<apeiros> platzhirschi: use something like timecop
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<shevy> ishamo sounds like openssl problem of your system, what OS do you use, ruby version, how did you install openssl etc.. - also upload the full trace to some pastie site
<platzhirschi> apeiros: though it's definitely the same .to_i value
<platzhirschi> just checled
<apeiros> platzhirschi: to_i is second precision
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<apeiros> not sure whether to_f even captures the full precision. iirc it does not.
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<antoniobeyah> i would recommend stubbing anything that uses time
<platzhirschi> maybe I can make TImecop freeze the time
<apeiros> platzhirschi: yes, that's why I suggested it. the other alternatives are stubbing as suggested by antoniobeyah, or by injecting
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<apeiros> (though, timecop technically is stubbing)
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<shevy> antoniobeyah yeah! stab the time
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<platzhirschi> Doesn't work either, maybe it's buggy in my super old RSpec 1.2 version.
<platzhirschi> I'll split up the method to make it more testable *take that*
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<ishamo> shevy, My Os is ubuntu14.4(64bit), the ruby version is 2.2.2. I try to install ruby. I have done this: 1, sudo apt-get install openssl libssl-dev 2. cd ruby, ./configure, make && make install. Then it heppened this error.
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<shevy> what openssl version do you have? I use openssl-1.0.2d and have no issues; also perhaps try with ruby 2.2.3 instead ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/ruby-2.2.3.tar.xz
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<shevy> the make target `/include/ruby.h also sounds incorrect, that would translate to absolute position /include/ruby.h no? my ruby.h is at /usr/include/ruby-2.2.0/ruby/ruby.h
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<ishamo> I've found the file ruby.h, now I am trying to find where the error happened and change the path right.
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<ishamo> shevy, Yes, I am now trying as what you say. Thank you.
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<ishamo> I think I need to add something in the file Makefile under "/ruby-2.2.2/ext/openssl", But I don't know how to do it ..
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<antoniobeyah> you usually don’t have to modify anything
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<maloik> This is a long shot, but does anyone know if Prawn has an irc channel, or if any of their contributors can be found on irc?
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<maloik> docs say "find us on # on freenode"
<antoniobeyah> there is typically a configure file that takes care of that sort of stuff
<maloik> Also, hi
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<shevy> there are not many prawn devs active
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<norc> maloik: Some contributors can be found here, #ruby-core exists but nobody ever speaks.
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<norc> And of course I read prawn as ruby.
<antoniobeyah> platzhirschi: did you run the configure script?
<norc> >_>
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<Ox0dea> Which is the best Ruby misinterpreter?
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<shevy> python
<agent_white> kek
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<agent_white> If I branch off a branch, how do I push to the sub-branch? `git branch -b feature develop` - I want to push commits to "feature" only, since I dun wanna merge with develop yet.
<agent_white> Or rather... is that good to do? I'm just looking at http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
<adaedra> it's another branch, just do like any other branch
<adaedra> so from devel: `git checkout -b feature`, then at first push `git push -u origin feature`
<adaedra> once you done, merge feature into devel
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<unrar> hey
<gregf_> shoult it not just be: git checkout develop; git checkout -b feature_foo (add some change ) and finally raise a PR?
<gregf_> *should
<adaedra> you have to push your branch to your remote repository at some moment
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<adaedra> if you want a PR from an automated tool
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<agent_white> adaedra: I'm entirely new to branching... followed some tutorials/watched some videos on it. Just now really trying to work on learning how/when to branch.
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<agent_white> adaedra: And good deal, thank you :D
<adaedra> there's no "sub branches"
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<adaedra> each commit belong to a branch, and each commit has one or multiple (merge) parents
<agent_white> adaedra: So basically. Create the "develop" branch, create the "feature" branch. Commit to the 'feature', then rebase the feature into the develop?
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<adaedra> yeah
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<agent_white> adaedra: Erm... I'm terrible at wording this (as you can see). Basically, I have a feature I'm working on, and I want to make commits to it without merging into develop (since it's not done). What's the best/most proper way to do this?
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<adaedra> Personaly, I create a branch devel-<feature> and work on it. Once it's finished, I merge it into devel and remove the devel-<feature> branch.
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<agent_white> Ahhh.
<adaedra> (Even if right now I'm not respecting the scheme and shamefully do everything in devel.)
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<agent_white> adaedra: Hahah :P
<unrar> Question: what if you don't delete the branch after merging?
<unrar> Just merged a dev branch, unsure whether to delete it lol
<adaedra> it just stay here
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<unrar> ruby is so lovely
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<ddv> not always
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<Ox0dea> unrar, ddv: What makes you say so?
<unrar> it just works for me lol
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<ddv> unrar e
<unrar> I dislike Rails though I only use standalone Ruby
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<unrar> currently working on an automatic API generator ayy
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<Ox0dea> unrar: What's your favoritest Rubyism?
<unrar> blocks
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<ddv> nothing special about closures
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<Ox0dea> Ruby does make them remarkably user-friendly.
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<j416> I'm looping infinitely and I want to give user chance to press 'q' to exit loop
<j416> how can I?
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<j416> thanks
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<gregf_> j416: loop { puts "whats your name"; a = gets().chomp(); sleep 1; puts "hey #{a}" } ?
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<j416> gregf_: nah, needs to be nonblocking. but I solved it by just not doing it
<j416> thanks
<toomus> Hi all
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<toomus> Is it possible to do something like this: { key1: 'A', key2: 'B', key3: self[:key1] }
<adaedra> ?try
<ruboto> Why don't you try it and see for yourself?
<toomus> adaedra: I know this doesn't work
<toomus> adaedra: I ask if it possible to do something liek this somehow
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<adaedra> I don't think there's a way to reference the hash you're currently building, no
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<toomus> adaedra: your answer satisfied me :)
<adaedra> { key1: 'A', key2: 'B' }.tap { |h| h[:key3] = h[:key1] } # would let you do it in one expression
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<XenuLives> Hi - I want to specify a dependency in my gemspec that lives on Github. No gem exists for it. Possible?
<Ox0dea> XenuLives: Yes.
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<XenuLives> Tell me more
<XenuLives> :)
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<Ox0dea> XenuLives: Technology is amazing.
<XenuLives> Errr I did that.
<XenuLives> I know gem takes a git option
<XenuLives> However there's no Gemfile for this code, just source
<XenuLives> Will it still work?
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<Ox0dea> Oh, sorry; I didn't realize you said gemspec and not Gemfile. :<
<Ox0dea> You'll have to use the latter.
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<XenuLives> Well actually
<XenuLives> There's a Gemfile but no gemspec
<Ox0dea> Then you're good. :)
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<Ox0dea> s/gemspec/Gemfile/ in that LMGTFY link. ^_^
<XenuLives> I know how to Google :)
<Ox0dea> How can you know you know how to Google if you have to Google how to find out how well you know how to Google?
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<XenuLives> spec.add_runtime_dependency 'redis-rb-cluster', git: 'https://github.com/antirez/redis-rb-cluster.git'
<XenuLives> Doesn't work
<norc> Ox0dea: So I just noticed that there does not seem to be a difference between raise and throw in the code. Is there a way to somehow return from a longjmp caused by throw?
<Ox0dea> XenuLives: That's the sort of thing you'd put in a gemspec, not a Gemfile.
<XenuLives> That is in the gemspec
<Ox0dea> Right, which we've established cannot be convinced to add GitHub deps.
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<Ox0dea> norc: I hear the faintest bell ringing, but there aren't any breadcrumbs leading back to when I last encountered that aspect of the interpreter.
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<XenuLives> Ok well regardless this isn't working
<XenuLives> Am I better to distribute the dependency alongside my code?
<Ox0dea> XenuLives: Are you opposed on principle to specifying that particular dependency in your Gemfile?
<XenuLives> Nope
<XenuLives> It just doesn't work
<XenuLives> Could not find gem 'redis-rb-cluster (>= 0) ruby' in
<XenuLives> Source does not contain any versions of 'redis-rb-cluster (>= 0) ruby'
<XenuLives> (sorry for spam)
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<Ox0dea> XenuLives: Try it with the git:// protocol.
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<XenuLives> Still no good
<Ox0dea> Set it on fire.
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<XenuLives> Ok did a bit more research
<XenuLives> For future reference this isn't possible
<XenuLives> So will need to distribute code as part of my own package.
<XenuLives> Thank
<XenuLives> Thanks*
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<trekky> hi everyone
<trekky> seeking some advice to do with complex sql queries and activerecord
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<trekky> hello
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<apeiros> f'cking oracle
* apeiros kicks the bin
<apeiros> ?rails trekky
<ruboto> trekky, Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP
<apeiros> AR is mostly rails. more likely to get good answers there.
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<trekky> hi rubuto, i'm not actually using rails
<trekky> so it would be an active_record usage without rails
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<apeiros> ?justabot trekky
<ruboto> trekky, I'm just a bot. You don't need to address me.
<apeiros> trekky: doesn't matter. see what I wrote.
<trekky> hi apeiros so looking for some advice on how best to proceed
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<apeiros> trekky: as said - my advice is to ask your question in #rubyonrails. even if you don't use rails with AR.
<norc> apeiros: Funny, I was thinking the same thing today.
<apeiros> norc: want to hear the most funny part about it?
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<norc> Shoot
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<apeiros> after oci8 failing to install so many times and in the end me basically removing everything from my laptop and reinstalling it, I succeeded in installing the ruby-oci8 gem. but bundle failed.
<apeiros> and because I was so primed, I immediately blamed oci8 again. but in fact it was nokogiri which failed. d'uh :D
<norc> Heh.
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<apeiros> well, oci8 isn't through yet. lets see…
<norc> apeiros: oci8 and AR oracle enhanced took me a few hours to figure out how to set everything up properly.
<norc> But it's easy once I figured it out. :)
<norc> capistrano has yet to complain
<apeiros> well, the directions looked simple enough
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<grepwood> hi everyone
<grepwood> I have code that says
<norc> apeiros: As long as both LD_LIBRARY_PATH and DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH are set oci8 behaves nicely. :)
<apeiros> norc: nope
<apeiros> el capitan prohibits that
<grepwood> ['htop','nano'].each do |pkg|
<apeiros> you need OCI_DIR now
<grepwood> package pkg do
<grepwood> action :install
<apeiros> grepwood: dude, use gist.
<norc> apeiros: Wow. Thank you for letting me know, I was thinking about upgrading Yosemite next week.
<grepwood> apeiros, gist is a part of github
<norc> apeiros: What does OCI_DIR need to point to?
<apeiros> grepwood: thanks for telling me, I did not know that before.
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<grepwood> anyways,
<apeiros> norc: at this point I lost track. I think it was the same as DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH
<apeiros> but now I reinstalled all following the oci8 page using brew
<apeiros> and there it's just `brew --prefix`/something/i/forgot
<grepwood> I tried to abbreviate those 5 lines (the 3 I posted and 2 "end" lines afterwards) into 1, like this
<apeiros> and no idea where the oracle stuff ended up
<norc> Ah, I just installed the oracle dependencies by hand, installing ruby-oci8 with just rubygems.
<norc> That allows me to set up the dependency the same on all my target machines.
<apeiros> yeah, last time I did that too
<grepwood> ['htop','nano'].each.package(action => :install)
<apeiros> you can still do it that way
<norc> Interesting that there is a brew package for oci8 tho
<grepwood> which did not quite work, I don't understand why
<apeiros> grepwood: probably because there's no #package method on Enumerator
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<grepwood> apeiros, could it be that it's a method that exists only in Chef?
<apeiros> it's ruby. you can ask a method for its origin.
<grepwood> wow
<apeiros> see Method#source_location and Method#owner
<grepwood> thanks
<apeiros> only fails to work with native methods (sadly - would be nice if they amended that)
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<grepwood> NameError: undefined local variable or method `package' for main:Object
<maloik> Crossposting this from #mongodb because it may be Mongoid / ruby specific... can anyone explain this behavior? https://gist.github.com/hannesfostie/f50b7022b4e1bee46e74 What's weird is that as soon as I reload my console, the value is back to normal
<apeiros> maloik: maybe cached?
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<slash_nick> not super familiar with mongoid, but it seems like you're just reading the value and setting it to a variable... then changing the value of the obj stored in the variable... never persisting your change. Should it be persisting?
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* slash_nick ignored you defining the #value method... whoops.
<maloik> well... here's an example without mongoid
<maloik> that surprised me
<slash_nick> still
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<sarkis> anyone know how i can figure out the default Faraday timeout: https://github.com/lostisland/faraday/#usage
<slash_nick> maloik: still looks like you're not choosing to persist your change...
<Ox0dea> grepwood: %w[htop nano].each { |pkg| package(pkg) { action :install } }
<Ox0dea> But just pretend you didn't see that, because it's gross.
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<grepwood> Ox0dea, but I like it better that way...
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<maloik> it's not about the persisting really, but for some reason I really did not expect the value of the original object to change
<maloik> it seems that's completely normal
<ruby-lang783> hello
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<slash_nick> maloik: i'm speaking to the value returning to it's original state when you restart your console
<apeiros> norc: ahahaha, installation works now. but connecting fails due to oracle network admin being in another location than before. and I have no friggin clue where :-S
<maloik> I never ran into problems with this before, but clearly this is a case for #dup
<norc> apeiros: Haha. Just write a new TNS file?
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<[spoiler]> Yo yo
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<apeiros> norc: I do that like once every 3 years. I'm trying to puzzle together where the hell I'd have to put that and what it has to contain >.<
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<Ox0dea> sarkis: Faraday does not impose a default timeout.
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<Ox0dea> It passes along any you explicitly define, but it's otherwise up to the underlying HTTP library.
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<apeiros> norc: yay, thank god for workplace buddies who still have the file :D
<sarkis> Ox0dea: thanks - i thought so .. i was looking at httpclient - which i thinks the default
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<ruby-lang783> has anyone used the arel gem?
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<apeiros> hrmpf, still the same error though. I'm close to exploding. or imploding. not sure which.
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<Ox0dea> >> nil::TRUE
<ruboto> Ox0dea # => true (https://eval.in/472716)
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<ruby-lang783> has anyne used arel gem to generate complex sql queries
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<norc> apeiros: I know your pain.
<norc> apeiros: It was really annoying since last time I had to recompile everything for each try.
<apeiros> with regards to wasted time to figure out how the f'ck it is supposed to work, oracle takes the cake by light years
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<Joke_Time> Is Matz still improving ruby or not?
<Ox0dea> "Light-years isn't time... It measures distance!" -- Camper Liam, Pewter City Gym
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<sarkis> Joke_Time: no - move on to Golang
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<Joke_Time> sarkis: Are you sure about that?
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<sarkis> 100%
<sarkis> ruby can't be improved
<Joke_Time> why?
<sarkis> little gremlins in the code that change your variables on every run
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<[spoiler]> lol
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<[spoiler]> Joke_Time: could you be more precise what you mean with "Improving ruby?"
<[spoiler]> Does matz still work on Ruby? Yes
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<sarkis> obviously trolling :)
<[spoiler]> sarkis: your answer wasn't too wrong either :P
<Joke_Time> [spoiler]: Is Matz doing his job to develop ruby or he lost hope for ruby?
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<Joke_Time> Is Matz doing his job to develop ruby or he lost hope for ruby?
<sarkis> you're the worst troll i've seen in some time :D
<sarkis> so many better topics to troll
<polysics> I am pretty much sure that Ruby is a post-PhD project to most of the Japanese team, nothing more
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<Bish> i keep reading about Array.sum, did it get removed?
<polysics> last time I met Matz he felt blissfully oblivious to an entire economy depending on Ruby :)
<[spoiler]> Joke_Time: lol. He's still working on Ruby, nobody lost any hope
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<polysics> it was around 2.0 design time
<polysics> but it's not like Matz is the only one working on Ruby either
<[spoiler]> ^
<[spoiler]> there's commit monster
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<[spoiler]> Let's not forget that beast
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<polysics> Matz himself is not as involved as he used to, he likes to dabble in things like mruby
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<[spoiler]> mruby is <3, actually
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<Bish> i feel stupid for this question, how do i sum an array?
<yorickpeterse> These days nobu probably writes most of the code
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<[spoiler]> I even read one of his posts in Japanese about it (he was explaining some cool tricks)
<Joke_Time> I'm glad that ruby still actively develop T_T
<[spoiler]> Bish: Array#sum
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<Bish> undefined method `sum' on an instance of Array
<[spoiler]> what really
<Bish> >> [1,2,3].sum
<[spoiler]> Array has no sum?
<ruboto> Bish # => undefined method `sum' for [1, 2, 3]:Array (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/472732)
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<[spoiler]> use inject then
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<Bish> >> [1,2,3].inject(&:+)
<ruboto> Bish # => 6 (https://eval.in/472733)
<polysics> mruby is pointless
<[spoiler]> you can use :+ without the &, too
<polysics> but might turn into something useful at some point
<[spoiler]> >> [1, 2, 3].inject :+
<ruboto> [spoiler] # => 6 (https://eval.in/472735)
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<Bish> because inject does check if first param is a symbol?
<[spoiler]> Yep
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<polysics> and yes, Nakada is probably the one who is actually working on Ruby the most these days
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<[spoiler]> also if no memo is passed, the first element will be the memo (in case you want the product, 0 would be a bad memo)
<[spoiler]> but you couls use 1 I suppose
<[spoiler]> could
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<polysics> is a "Ruby is dead" post up on HN? Usually people come asking after that
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<[spoiler]> polysics: LOL
* [spoiler] checks
<[spoiler]> Nope
<polysics> weird. Maybe Reddit :D
<[spoiler]> I am drinking this green tea and I keep farting
<polysics> completely OT and out of the blue, but since this is #ruby maybe someone can point me in the right direction
<polysics> I hate Sublime editing mode but I can't do without search in files
<polysics> is there a Vim plugin that works as good?
<Ox0dea> Wat.
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<Ox0dea> polysics: In Vim, you just hit / in normal mode and start typing your search?
<[spoiler]> polysics: there's search mode in vim
<polysics> my job mostly involves diving into other people's code bases
<[spoiler]> it uses regexp
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<Ox0dea> Bram's definition, anyhow.
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<[spoiler]> if you need search+replace: `:s%/regexp/replacement/g`
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<polysics> "search in files" in ST gives you results in the selected folder(s) and allows you to open the files with a click/command
<[spoiler]> erm %s not s%
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<[spoiler]> Oh that
<[spoiler]> Not sure if vim has that
<polysics> think about doing something an extensive refactor
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<polysics> *something liek
<polysics> aaaand a typo again. Well, you get it. :P
<Ox0dea> There are several plugins for linking `grepprg` results with the Quickfix window.
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<[spoiler]> I generally use Atom lately; I only use vim when I CBA to wait for atom to start up and need something done quickly
<polysics> ST has also developed a nasty habit of crashing
<Ox0dea> I have never even heard of Vim crashing.
<polysics> that's one of the reasons why I like it. At one point, I was using ST to find stuff then vim to edit the files
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<Ox0dea> Jesus.
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<polysics> ST "Search in files" is THAT good :)
<[spoiler]> Why not grep
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<Ox0dea> polysics: I don't have any spoons to feed you, but Unite + <your favorite 'grepprg'> should be all you need to replace ST's "Search in files" entirely.
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<polysics> Ox0dea: a google pointer is enough. Thanks!
<Ox0dea> Sure thing. <3
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<Ox0dea> Unite is far and away the heaviest plugin I use, but it's *that* good. :)
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<gregf_> polysics: you can also use ack
<Ox0dea> gregf_: Did you mean ag?
<gregf_> no no. 'ack'
<Ox0dea> No.
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<Ox0dea> ag > sift > ack > grep
<Ox0dea> In the general case, at any rate.
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<polysics> I think my main thing is getting Unite to do what ST does, the search program is not as important (though of course the better it is the better :) )
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<Ox0dea> You'll have to get a feel for Vim's definition of "window" and "buffer", but that comes easily enough with intentful exposure.
<Ox0dea> *definitions
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<Ox0dea> *those
<Ox0dea> English are hard. :<
<Ox0dea> *come
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<[spoiler]> salad sauce packaging sprayed EVERYWHERE
<[spoiler]> er wrong channel
<Bish> is there a neat way i can pick by chance in ruby?
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<[spoiler]> Bish: #sample
<Bish> predefined chance*
<polysics> ...or is it? we've had people saying worse things.
<Bish> like {string:probability,string:probability}
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<[spoiler]> er, not sure what that means so not sure how to help :o
<Ox0dea> Bish: Are you concerned with performance?
<Bish> no
<Ox0dea> The dumb but technically correct way to do it is to create an Array containing `n` copies of each element and then just #sample that.
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<Ox0dea> `n` there being the various probabilities.
<[spoiler]> >> ["a"]*5 + ["b"]*3
<ruboto> [spoiler] # => ["a", "a", "a", "a", "a", "b", "b", "b"] (https://eval.in/472791)
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<Bish> i got them in very small percentages, can't use *
<Ox0dea> Yes, you can.
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<Bish> ueh?
<Ox0dea> Normalization to the rescue!
<[spoiler]> if you know the population/sample size you can
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<Ox0dea> Bish: The proper way to do it is to sum the probabilities, grab a random number in that range, and determine which "fencepost" it maps to and choose the element there.
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<[spoiler]> There's an example here for weighted sampling (i think that is what you might need): http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.3/Enumerable.html#method-i-max_by
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<Ox0dea> [spoiler]: The weights are the elements themselves there, which is hardly what Bish is going for.
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<Ox0dea> Never mind.
<[spoiler]> the example can be modified tho
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<Ox0dea> Sure, but the definition of #wsample is in fact correct.
<Ox0dea> The block is for mapping values to weights.
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<Ox0dea> Cribbing it verbatim would look a little weird given that Bish has a map of probabilities.
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<Bish> can you explain the dumb way to me?
<Bish> filling an array with 0.0003 samples of an object.
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<Bish> oh sorry, i disconnected for a second, didn't see the link
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<Bish> yeah that's cool, still i would be interested in the dumb way, just for the kicks
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<Bish> i like ruby more than math, even if it's slow
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<Ox0dea> Bish: You'd have to normalize 0.0003 to 3, meaning you'd need to multiply all the other probabilities by 10_000 as well, meaning this isn't such a good idea.
<Bish> yeah i thought of that way
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<[spoiler]> Bish: you can multiply by 10K and say it's a "big data problem" :D
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<Bish> i want to try it, let's see if my laptop handles it
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<Bish> okay, i guess i won't
<Bish> smallest percentage is 155220665^-1
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<[spoiler]> There shold totally be something like `wsample_by {|e| e.some_property }`
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<[spoiler]> Bish: you could maybe discriminate (is that what it's called in English?) the really small probabilities
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<Ox0dea> Bish: https://eval.in/472815
<Ox0dea> I think it's pretty nifty, if a little verbose.
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<Ox0dea> Array really should have #scanl.
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<Ox0dea> Ignore that explicit zero value I used; it should obviously be a parameter.
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<Ox0dea> Ignore also all those damned `:b`s in the example output; just an unlucky roll of the dice.
<Ox0dea> Er, no, it seems it's actually wrong. :<
<Ox0dea> I'm gonna get more coffee.
<[spoiler]> LOL
<Bish> thank you, i will try to understand it, after i finish my work
<[spoiler]> Ox0dea: "I NEED MORE FUEL!"
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<Bish> i took years of cs math, still a retard when it comes to this problem, i actually never solved it
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<[spoiler]> Bish: it's more statistics than maths, imho
<Bish> well and statistic is.........
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<[spoiler]> it's wannabe maths
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<[spoiler]> :P
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<agent_white> Is this the right way to create rake tasks for a gem to create a database? https://gist.github.com/jakenotjacob/5c69f957973d8b7aa29d
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<agent_white> (Attempting to flesh out my first 'gem', or at least project structured as one, so I'm figuring I should mimick Rails)
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<[spoiler]> agent_white: it looks OK, but it looks like you'll be repeating a lot of code
<[spoiler]> other than that, if it works it's good
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<agent_white> [spoiler]: I noticed that right off the bat as well. So I was starting to search "rake helpers"... should I be searching for that?
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<agent_white> Or just move out the "create default db" into a method inside Rakefile?
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<[spoiler]> You could write a small rake helper, yeah and then have a format for the schemes, or--yes that
<agent_white> Which is better?
<[spoiler]> Depends on which is less complex to work with
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<[spoiler]> and how much implementation overhead vs usefulness you get
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<[spoiler]> If you don't need to generate a bazillion databases and don't need something insanely complex and versatile, just make it a method inside the rake file
<[spoiler]> a bazillion tables*
<agent_white> [spoiler]: Ah alrighty! Yeah this is just a IRC bot I'm making; here I'm just making a table for factoids. Not complex by any means, just making this to try and teach myself best practices.
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<agent_white> (a relational db is overkill as is, but just moving to it from sdbm just... for shits. :P)
<[spoiler]> In that case, 1 method to create the table(s) and 1 method which accepts seeds
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<agent_white> [spoiler]: Good deal. Thank you :D
<[spoiler]> Np! :)
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<agent_white> Also, quick question: I assigned the sequel/sqlite db to a constant ("DB"). Is that ok? Or should I change that?
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<apeiros> agent_white: that's fine.
<apeiros> depends a bit on the details on how fine it is :)
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<agent_white> apeiros: Okey doke! Thank you... I think you and I might've spoken a few weeks ago about my config for this bot being a constant?
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<agent_white> Or maybe it was someone else... anyways. Thank you :)
<apeiros> agent_white: sure, the better way is to have it on the relevant instance
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<apeiros> if I skimmed the backlog correctly, you're working on an irc bot?
<apeiros> in that case, I'd have Bot#db and #config
<apeiros> and have the bot instance available in all relevant places.
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<agent_white> apeiros: Yup! I've rewritten it twice, though it worked both times... just trying to learn about programming patterns. So for this third go-round I'm attempting... the Command pattern... I think. :P
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<agent_white> Ah alrighty
<apeiros> doing it that way also teaches you a lot about dependencies.
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<apeiros> whenever you think "shit, no access to bot and hence db/config in this place"
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<apeiros> and in all those cases you should ask yourself why it doesn't have (or even shouldn't have) access to the bot, but you want to have access to the db
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<agent_white> Aye :) I'm trying to wrap my head around that... my original version passed the Bot class (holding EVERYTHING) everywhere... and it didn't feel right.
<agent_white> erm, Bot instance, rather
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<Bish> Ox0dea: i feel so dumb for asking, but i gotta finish quick ;; how do i reverse the probability
<Ox0dea> Bish: Subtract each from the total.
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<Bish> well if i do that, it doesn't sum to 1 anymore.. or im doing it wrong
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<Bish> but i mean if i have 2 0.3 they will both become 0.7, i feel so stupid.. jesus.
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<Ox0dea> Hm, are you sure you want to reverse the probabilities across the board?
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<Bish> yes, im having them the wrong order the whole time , ofc i could change them at the point where i am creating them
<Ox0dea> I'm not even sure that's a well-defined operation.
<Bish> but i rather would convince myself that i finished 7th grade math
<Bish> OH it's not solveable, phew, im a lucky dude
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<Bish> Ox0dea: is your algo changeable so it does pick small probabilities first D:
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<Ox0dea> If it were correct, you'd probably be able to get away with just flipping the comparison.
<Ox0dea> (But it is not correct.)
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<Bish> yeah i tried that.
<Bish> geez, i spent all this time solving this problem, in the end you solved it for me, and now it's the wrong way around
<Ox0dea> Bish: Oh, you didn't initially say that your probabilities summed to 1; just subtract each of them from 1, in that case.
<Ox0dea> Wait, no, dammit.
* Ox0dea looks for his brain.
<Bish> yes. my thought.
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<Ox0dea> But, I mean, it's a really strange thing to want to do; "reversing the probabilities" across the whole collection doesn't make sense.
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<Bish> i created the percentages from a rank
<Ox0dea> The opposite of 10% is 90%.
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<Bish> small numbers were good, high numbers were bad, i got it wrong in the start
<Bish> i thought high ranks => good.
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<Ox0dea> Negate all the things?
<Bish> define negate pls, im done ;;
<Bish> like bitwise?
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<Ox0dea> If you find something is backwards, ya flip it around, yeah?
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<Bish> my brain melted, how do i flip them around
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<Bish> .each |e| sum-e ?
<Bish> is that statisticially correct?
<Ox0dea> Whale, I was only talking about unary negation.
<Ox0dea> >> [-3,-2,-1].map(&:-@).sort
<ruboto> Ox0dea # => [1, 2, 3] (https://eval.in/472825)
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<Bish> *tries*
<shevy> *cries*
<Ox0dea> It was just a demonstration of the principle.
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<linocisco> hi all
<Ox0dea> "Negation" isn't as directly applicable to probabilities.
<Bish> shevy: because of me? sorry, i feel worse i promise
<shevy> it just rhymed
<shevy> could have gone with *fries* as well
<shevy> or *lies* !!!
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<Bish> Ox0dea: well i can't do it, sorry, haaalpü
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<linocisco> for GUI application , what is good? anything better than FXruby?
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<shevy> linocisco ruby-gnome
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<Bish> lowest is 101 highest is 22922416 sum is 15677287259
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<Ox0dea> Ayes, buys, cries, dies, eyes, fries, guys, highs, ..., jives, knives, lives, mines, nines, opines, prize, ..., rise, sais, tithes, uguyz, vies, wives, xylophones, ..., zebras.
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<Bish> i could substract max of all of them, but i don't know if that "reverses" the percentage correctly
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<Ox0dea> I'm pretty sure it doesn't. :<
<Bish> DAYUM WHAT DO I DO
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<Ox0dea> Set it on fire.
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<Ox0dea> Bish: This could be you: http://gunshowcomic.com/648
<Bish> pls, for the love of god, help me ;;
<Bish> i told my boss "this is easy, give me 30 mins"
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<Ox0dea> Are you displaying these data somewhere?
<linocisco> is RubyMotion worth to try without knowing ruby?
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<Bish> Ox0dea: unfortunetely not
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<Bish> unfortunately*
<havenwood> linocisco: Yeah, there's a free version now and it's fun to try out.
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<linocisco> havenwood, i thought it is totally free ever
<havenwood> linocisco: No, before Sept there wsn't a free starter edition to try out.
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<havenwood> linocisco: Now there is! (Can't do iWatch but can do iOS and Android.)
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<linocisco> havenwood, have u tried? starter has limitation?
<havenwood> linocisco: Yeah, I had fun trying it. I'd like to play with it more. The starter edition does have limitations but it seemed functional enough to make real things.
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<linocisco> havenwood, I am reading about it. splash screen is always there in free edition. what else ruby community use to write apple mobile apps?
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<Ox0dea> They don't...
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<Bish> linocisco: ruboto is fun
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<linocisco> Bish, thanks . let me check if it is free ever
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<Bish> Ox0dea: tell me, what would you in my siutation, since you're smart, please.
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<Bish> oh apple, i didn't read apple, sorry
<shevy> Ox0dea is smart but crazy
<Ox0dea> Bish: I have already advised you to commit arson.
<Bish> linocisco: you're lost.
<Bish> im crazy and stupid, we make a good team
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<Bish> ;;
<Ox0dea> linocisco: I suppose there must be some extremely small domain where Ruby is the right tool on iPhones, but I don't know its name.
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<linocisco> Bish, ok. good to know. Ox0dea thanks for your idea
<Ox0dea> Which idea was that...?
<shevy> the one to code naked
<linocisco> Ox0dea, there might be others you dont know
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<Melpaws> i want to run mongo import inside ruby script. If i use exec or system, how can i pass it predifined variables? (like db , collection, file)
<Ox0dea> linocisco: If it exists, there's definitely only one. :P
<Ox0dea> Melpaws: Environment variables.
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<Bish> Ox0dea: is there no way to do it?
<Ox0dea> Bish: It is definitely impossible.
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<Melpaws> @Ox0dea : guessing this is way off :
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<Melpaws> system({"db => @@conn"}, {"collection" => "@@coll"},{ "file" => "@@tmp_json"}, mongoimport -d $db -c $collection --file $file )
<Bish> Ox0dea: but you do not want to help me anymore :/?
<Ox0dea> Bish: How can I help you with the impossible?
<Bish> wow, i read possible.. nvm
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<Ox0dea> Melpaws: Pretty far off, yeah.
<Ox0dea> Environment variables are "stringly-typed".
<Melpaws> boo. I 'll keep reading up then
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<linocisco> hi all, honestly, I am new to advanced programming rather than hello world and some syntax of if , else, displaying (sum,avg,min,max) in C, C++ so far, I could no longer wait to write ruby and any good db driven web app, how should I learn and which book I should read first?
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<cmhobbs> i've got a relatively straightforward gem-style directory structure and i'd like to add a ruby script to it to fire up the program from the command line. when i toss something into bin/ under my project directory, require (or require_relative) the main file under lib/, that file can't seem to locate any of the files it requires. how can i get around this?
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<cmhobbs> sorry for such a complicated statement, i'm not sure else how to describe it
<cmhobbs> i want to call bin/somescript from the command line and have it load up everything under lib/ and execute part of my code
<cmhobbs> for what it's worth, i can load up everything under lib/ in pry and it works fine
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<nofxx> cmhobbs: actually, just require 'mygem' will work, but, for testing and other purposes use this:
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<nofxx> $LOAD_PATH.unshift(File.join(File.dirname(__FILE__), '..', 'lib')) after you shebang on the bin
<cmhobbs> it's not a gem
<cmhobbs> but yeah, i'm noodling around with load path right now
<cmhobbs> i don't have a gemspec file
<nofxx> cmhobbs: same, you just need to have the relative path on load path
<cmhobbs> thanks!
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<nofxx> cmhobbs: so your lib/mystuff.rb can require things as it should: require 'mystuff/some' , require'mystuff/another'
<cmhobbs> right
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<cmhobbs> this works, thanks for the input
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<cmhobbs> i never can remember that incantation in its entirety
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<nofxx> neither I, I always start with `head git/some/bin >> new/bin` hehe
<cmhobbs> ha
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<nofxx> linocisco: learn to program by chris pine
<nofxx> followed by why
<nofxx> 's poingnant guide
<nofxx> linocisco: then, just fire up a terminal and a editor and do a lil program with sequel or any other orm/odm
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<linocisco> nofxx, to learn ruby, i should read learn to program first? that will take so long to reach. the idea is my learning ruby is to learn rails without any problem. so to even learn ruby, there is one step ahead. ohmy gold
<linocisco> god
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<nofxx> linocisco: did not understand what y/r saying. But if you mean the book title, it could be learn to program in ruby, it's 100% ruby
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<[spoiler]> linocisco: you need to know programming in Ruby to use Rails (well, to use is effectively at least).
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<linocisco> nofxx, sorry I confused . i think learn to program only
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<linocisco> [spoiler], thanks
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<Bish> Ox0dea: i think your weighted sample has an error, too
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<Bish> the thing with the highest probability never happens :D
<Bish> atleast in 45k tries, while it should be in every 10th
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<[spoiler]> Bish: he did say it had an error
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<shevy> are you people still erroring it out here
<ornerymoose> Anyone here familiar with ruby-net-ldap? I can connect just fine, so credentials aren’t the issue. When I run a simple ruby script for an LDAP search, ‘message="No Such Object”’ is being returned. Any idea? I had my IT Admin send me a screen shot of attributes, and I’m doing a search on one that certainly exists: sAMAccountName
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<beatboxchad> yo
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<VeryBewitching> G'day folks.
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<blubjr> hi very bewitching
* blubjr its me
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<shevy> dumdedum
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<imperator> Anyone here go to RubyConf? How was it?
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<shevy> havenwood probably knows more
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<shevy> you people are becoming sleepy again
<shevy> the sign of weekends :(
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<agent_white> Nope! Haven't slept since yesterday!
<blubjr> hi agent white
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<agent_white> \o
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<arup_r> How would you refactor this method? https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/453477a363fc93e02c20 I came up with some ugly code :)
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<Zarthus> arup_r: join(', ')
<Zarthus> I have no idea why you would want a comma separated string though. It may look obvious in the code what it is. But to the user, it will just be confusing
<arup_r> Zarthus: those fields are in a table, and in a Page I will display an address of a user. So I am making the full_adress like that way
<arup_r> all fields might have a value or not
<arup_r> that is why the `if` check
<Zarthus> arup_r: but what if city is not set. Is the second comma the state or the zip?
<arup_r> makes sense now ?
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<arup_r> if value is not present, then we will not show.
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<Zarthus> Yes, but how will you confirm the second value is the second street when you cannot prove this?
<Zarthus> You might be expecting a second street, but it's actually the city it will show because street2 is nil.
<arup_r> hum
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<saml> how can I turn a zip file to gem file?
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<shevy> saml first extract it
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<saml> yah i did. i can't find .gemspec anywhere
<shevy> saml then write a file called a .gemspec; you can populate it with dummy placeholder values mostly
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<shevy> yeah you need one; bundler may allow to omit it but I think it requires a Gemfile instead anyway
<saml> https://wincent.com/wiki/RubyGems_file_format oh nice. don't need gemspec
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<astrostl> how do i access a value from a nested hash? i'm importing a json file into a hash.
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<astrostl> trying things like puts commonJson['details'['company']] fails
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<jhass> astrostl: "fails"?
<astrostl> yields nothing
<jhass> oh, right, it does
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<astrostl> commonJson = JSON.parse(commonJsonFile) is taking things in, i'm just trying to access an 'inner' hash
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<jhass> people["details"]["company"]
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<jhass> use variable names to describe your data, not its format or structure
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<astrostl> perfect, thx!
<jhass> also Ruby favors underscore_case for variable and method names
<agent_white> I can create a multi-dimensional array in J via... `a=: i. 4 4`... returning [[0,1,2],[3,4,5],[6,7,8]]. How can I do this in ruby?
<astrostl> yeah, i'l be circling back here for best-practice refactor stuff once i get it all working
<agent_white> rather... a=: i. 3 3
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<jhass> astrostl: if it helps anything, [] is actually a method call, above could be rewritten as people.[]("details").[]("company"), or your initial attempt, commonJson.[]("details".[]("Company"))
<astrostl> nod
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<jhass> >> n = 3; Array.new(n) {|i| Array.new(n) {|j| i*n + j } } # agent_white
<ruboto> jhass # => [[0, 1, 2], [3, 4, 5], [6, 7, 8]] (https://eval.in/472955)
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<agent_white> jhass: You're the man :) Is it possible without declaring the variable n ?
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<jhass> sure just replace all instances with 3
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<agent_white> jhass: Neat. Thank you :D
<agent_white> I was curious about that.
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<agent_white> jhass: Following a friend' video on spiral arrays, where he wrote the code in J. Attempting to translate it into ruby. :P
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<shevy> J?
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<blubjr> ascii apl
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<agent_white> shevy: Yup! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_(programming_language) -- Sorry, I don't know the official lang site.
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<johnhalowang> hi ph
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<ayee> https://gist.github.com/JohnTheodore/8ac70ec387d5130bb33c .. I'm trying to install a gem and I get some ruby.h error. Though I have ruby-all-dev package installed. I'm on ubuntu 14, any ideas what is blocking this gem from being installed?
<dorei> oh, nokogiri
<dorei> no, it's unrelated
<dorei> the error is /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgmp
<ayee> dorei: How do I fix it?
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<dorei> ayee: i guess you need to install the gmp dev package or whatever it's called @ ubuntu
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<slash_nick> anyone know how to convert a range to json?
<slash_nick> ah... nevermind
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<krajos> Hey Everyone, aspiring rubyist here... I'm still learning but can't figure out a way to get what this problem is asking for (without resorting to code which is ugly as hell)... I'm asked to write a method that returns true if the inputed string contains a "z" within three chars after an "a"... So far I have: " if string.chars.include? ("a") "... heh. Please help!
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<havenwood> krajos: One way would be to use a regular expression (Regexp).
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<krajos> I can set multiple conditions in a regexp?
<krajos> thanks for the reply btw.
<krajos> I'll look into that
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<havenwood> >> 'xyz zyx xyx' =~ /x.{2,4}y/
<ruboto> havenwood # => 0 (https://eval.in/473001)
<havenwood> krajos: ^ for example that's an 'x' with between two and four of any char followed by a 'y'.
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<havenwood> krajos: You can try out your Regexp here: http://rubular.com
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<havenwood> krajos: Or ask questions here in the channel!
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<krajos> wow, thanks so much!!!!!!
<havenwood> krajos: no prob, welcome!
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<krajos> Thanks! I'm gonna go play with my new toy.
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<EllisTAA> i’m wanting to write a program that can traverse my computers directories, is this possible using ruby?
<havenwood> EllisTAA: Turing complete lang is turing complete.
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<EllisTAA> havenwood: …. so yes…?
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<arcanez> is it better to do a1.push(*a2) or a1.push(a2) and then flatten!
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<EllisTAA> havenwood: thanks
<havenwood> EllisTAA: np
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<havenwood> arcanez: the former seems nicer without any context
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<arcanez> havenwood: pushing stuff onto an already existing array.. current code is +=, wanting to use Array#push or Array#<<
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<arcanez> RHS might be an array though, so could either push(*rhs) or push(rhs) and flatten! when done
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<arcanez> wasn't sure if there was a performance difference or reason to use * over Array#flatten or vice versa
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<ljarvis> x.concat Array(y)
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<arcanez> ljarvis: thanks
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<arcanez> probably silly to worry about the potential overhead of Array() in that instance
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<ljarvis> yeah I mean if it could be an array or might not be then you don't have a choice, checking it yourself just does what Array() does already
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<arcanez> concat shows intent as well
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<arcanez> ruby seems to be full of different ways to do things, but sometimes the different ways aren't as elegant
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<ljarvis> you should always opt for readability and understanding before optimising for performance, either way
<arcanez> in the end, I just want to get rid of +=. stuck on ruby 1.9.3, so less for the gc to do is better
<ljarvis> it's better for you to quickly understand the code than the code to run quickly
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<EllisTAA> a folder would never include a period in the name would it?
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<jhass> of course it can, on UNIX you even make a folder or file hidden by naming it .foo
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<EllisTAA> jhass: damn
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<blubjr> why
<jhass> blubjr: why what?
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<blubjr> why did ellistaa want to know
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<EllisTAA> blubjr: i’m trying to write a program that traverses the computers file structure and compresses files that haven’t been opened in over a month https://gist.github.com/ellismarte/dc4eb18967f85c53b25f
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<jhass> blubjr: it helps to formulate full sentences to ask such things, ie "Why would you care whether a directory has a dot in its name?"
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<mg^> I'd probably use Rake::FileList
<mg^> could do that whole task in a Rakefile if you felt like it
<blubjr> ellistaa: you could use File.file?(file)
<blubjr> hi jhass
<EllisTAA> blubjr: :)!!!
<EllisTAA> mg^: ill take a look
<jhass> Dir["/foo/**/*"] would only return files since the ** descends into all directories
<EllisTAA> blubjr: wait File.file?(file) the argument is just a string … would i need to pass in the entire path?
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