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<jackcom>
ruby have concept of nested function?
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<jackcom>
hello
<jackcom>
:)
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<hdm>
anyone remember off-hand how to check the class name of a VALUE in an extension? strcmp("Something::Something", rb_class_name(some_obj)) == 0 seems like the wrong approach
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<rubybaby>
that's cool
<hdm>
RCLASS(obj) == RCLASS(class_val) my grep foo is failing
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<HarryKuntz>
how is ruby used besides rails?
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<ja>
for whatever you'd like, HarryKuntz
<ja>
a lot of people use it for scripting things
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<ja>
for the same things you'd use Perl or shell scripting, for instance
<ja>
+for
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<HarryKuntz>
but aren't rails apps technically scripts?
<ja>
HarryKuntz: quoting Wikipedia: “The term "scripting language" is also used loosely to refer to dynamic high-level general-purpose language, such as Perl,[1] Tcl, and Python,[2] with the term "script" often used for small programs (up to a few thousand lines of code) in such languages”
<ja>
“small programs”
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<ja>
so that depends on your definition, but yes, Ruby is definitely a dynamic high-level general-purpose language
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<Yzguy>
anyone have experience with the inifile gem?
<xybre>
If you squint so is Java.
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<HarryKuntz>
so is c but nobody uses c anymore
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<xybre>
C doesn't qualify because it's low lvel, not dynamic, and compiled.
<ja>
what xybre said
<Radar>
HarryKuntz: Please change your name.
<HarryKuntz>
Radar: are we not allowed to use our real names?
<Yzguy>
When using the inifile gem, when you do like ini.write, it writes out the file, but all the comments in the original file are gone
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<Yzguy>
so i'm just playing with it, but so the "original" is the actual file, the new one is what the output is after doing that ini.write
<Yzguy>
all the comments go away, curious if there is a way to keep the comments
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<Yzguy>
oh i think i see the solution
<Yzguy>
on the initialize you can say :comment = "#", and i think it should recognize it
<ja>
Yzguy: “Comment lines are ignored when parsing INI files.” — I’m not sure, but it could sound like comments aren’t even parsed and therefore cannot be written out again.
<Yzguy>
yeah thats what i thought, lemme try this comment param real quick
<Radar>
!ban HarryKuntz !T 1d
<ja>
Spoiler: It won’t work. Sorry.
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<Radar>
!ban HarryKuntz !T 1D
<Radar>
Ruboto is offline. Sad.
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<xybre>
Yzguy: yep, and you can even parameterize the filename if you end up wanting to reuse the same pattern for other files.
<Yzguy>
I just did my :wq on doing that exactly :P
<ja>
Really? I'm so anti-hip I haven't even noticed. Imma start using it now though.
<xybre>
Yzguy: :D
* xybre
variablizes ja
<Yzguy>
"Yeahhh, this is all wrong. You gotta variablize everything....here, here, definitely here. Are you sure you're a developer?"
* xybre
class variablizes @@Yzguy
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* ja
constantizes xybre
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<Xybre>
D:
<Xybre>
Ech, looks weird capitalized.
<ja>
hahaha
<ja>
sorry, xybre
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<ja>
it should've been all caps, xybre ʘ‿ʘ
<xybre>
Technically, anything starting with a capital is a constant in Ruby, like class names and modules.
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<jackcom>
ruby have a concept of nested function?
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<Radar>
no jackcom
<jackcom>
Radar: no :(
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<Radar>
jackcom: Why so depressed about it?
<jackcom>
nested function is very good
<jackcom>
why ruby don’t have it?
<Radar>
I honestly can't tell if you trolling or not.
<Radar>
Explain why you think you need it.
<jackcom>
because it is good for frame work.
<jackcom>
Radar:
<Radar>
jackcom: Ok, definitely trolling. You're doing a crap job of explaining yourself.
<Radar>
Rails does fine without nested functions.
<blubjr>
in ruby, i think you just use private methods jackcom
<jackcom>
lol i m not troll
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<jackcom>
private method?
<jackcom>
i don’t know private method?
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<Radar>
blubjr: what
<Radar>
jackcom: What is the purpose of a nested function? Explain IN CODE why you would want a nested function?
<blubjr>
as the solution of helper functions not polluting your namespace
<blubjr>
implementation hiding
<jackcom>
Radar: i can’t explain it because it is too complicated.
* Radar
literally can't even.
<Radar>
jackcom: Ok, definitely convinced you're a troll now. Putting you on ignore/
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<jackcom>
no
<jackcom>
i m innocent and kind
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<blubjr>
radar: am i confused about something
<Radar>
Sure you are.
<blubjr>
what..
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<Radar>
blubjr: "I am confused about something" "Yes, that is likely" "???"
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<Radar>
DOUBLE CONFUSIN
<Radar>
I also appreciate that you pinged me just to tell me that you're confused about something without actually telling me about the thing that you're confused with.
<Radar>
Almost like that you don't care that I have Real Work(tm) to be doing instead?
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<jackcom>
Radar: you can hear my saying?
<blubjr>
i was asking if i was....you didnt like my first answer and you didn't acknowledge my second
<blubjr>
i thought maybe i misunderstood what you were talking about or something
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<blubjr>
Radar: was there a problem with my answer, i thought it was pretty straight forward
<Radar>
blubjr: Yes. I don't understand what helper methods have to do with nested functions at all.
<Radar>
private methods are something completely different to what jackcom is asking for
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<blubjr>
Radar: in languages that have nested functions thats normally where you put them, inside the function they're helping
<jackcom>
yes right private method != nested function.
<Radar>
Ok, I misunderstood.
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<Radar>
(This is why I emphasise that people should show code)
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<Guest47729>
Radar, jackcom : Ruby can achieve nested functions by the use of blocks/lambdas/procs. If you assign the proc to a variable it can be called. Sure the syntax isn't quite the same, but it effectively achieves the same result. Ruby is flexible and can probably do a lot more that you can't in other languages. Perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are trying to achieve, but I feel that this is a version of what you are looking for - perhaps
<Guest47729>
there is a better way to solve the problem
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<shevy>
Guest47729 hey what IRC nick is that
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shevy: am tjad, but ns doesn't want me back yet :-(
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^^
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yay you abandoned the army of guests \o/
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<norc>
So. Is there a more elegant way to do this?
<norc>
self.sequence_name = opts[Rails.env.to_sym] if opts[Rails.env.to_sym]
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<apeiros>
just `self.sequence_name = opts[Rails.env.to_sym]`, assuming self.sequence_name is nil before and setting it to nil again won't hurt.
<apeiros>
WHITEPRIDE: 30s to change your nick
<apeiros>
!ban WHITEPRIDE !P unacceptable nick
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<WHITEPRIDE>
hello?
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<apeiros>
damn netsplit. ruboto of course is on the other side.
<apeiros>
and slow chanserve
<apeiros>
-e
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<adaedra>
Bonjour
<apeiros>
moin adaedra
<apeiros>
oh
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<adaedra>
That's a nice hat you have.
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<apeiros>
*had
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<apeiros>
netsplits. and it seems ruboto is still stuck on the other side.
<adaedra>
FreeNode's still having splits? Not good.
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<cyberfawkes>
adaedra: that's quite odd.
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<cyberfawkes>
we were talking about that earlier.
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<adaedra>
.... and parts.
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<adaedra>
apeiros: do you know on which server ruboto is connected on?
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<driftig>
shevy: Golly, no. :)
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<Andrevan>
Hey, anyone want to take a crack at a VCR question? Trying to connect to an XMPP server running locally using the xmpp4r gem. Under the hood appears to be Net::HTTP but VCR won't pick it up in rspec
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<tobiasvl>
arup_r: page not found, but you can use something like the gem Rubyworks Facets, which has a deep_clone method. or you can dup each member yourself and save.
<ytti>
not thrilled about API though, but features are good
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<ytti>
particularly concept of 'any' and 'all'
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<ytti>
https://github.com/wuest/expectr - this seems to miss ability to wait more than 1 string and act differently depending on what occurred
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<apeiros>
ytti: there's an expect library in stdlib
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<ytti>
yeah but it also does not support expecting >1 string
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<apeiros>
>1 string? you mean multiple responses?
<apeiros>
ah
<apeiros>
well, I guess that's what is assumed that you'll add via code? :)
<apeiros>
shouldn't be difficult…
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<apeiros>
(though, then again, I guess I'd not even use a library for something like what expect does…)
<norc>
I actually wonder how you typed that hellip.
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<apeiros>
opt-.
<norc>
Things I learn. o_o
<apeiros>
dad's in publishing. gotta now such shit ;-)
<norc>
Heh.
<apeiros>
"how dare you write three dots! don't you know that spacing is completely off with those?!?"
<apeiros>
(not really)
<pontiki>
last expect script i wrote in tcl...
<apeiros>
oy
<apeiros>
o/ pontiki
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<shevy>
good old tcl
<shevy>
the language of the dinosaurs!
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<ytti>
apeiros, actually if the API Doesn't allow it, it gets complicated
<ytti>
apeiros, you have to trap the timout, and it'll make your program run slower
<ytti>
apeiros, you need to offer this feature in the library itself to make it work well
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<driftig>
./ seems so much more appropriate than o/
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<shevy>
do you have a mini head or something
<shevy>
we don't get to do O/ either!
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<driftig>
shevy: Like I'd literally wave at you niggaz.
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<driftig>
shevy: Only Marc Andreesen gets to do that.
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<apeiros>
!kick driftig watch it
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<driftig>
apeiros: The hell.
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<apeiros>
yeah, that's what I thought too.
<shevy>
yeah the word was a dead-give away
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<driftig>
Well, I'm black.
<driftig>
And it wasn't intended to cause harm …
<driftig>
Next time I'll just say Rubyists.
<apeiros>
good. I trust it'll remain at a kick then.
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* driftig
eyes apeiros.
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<yorickpeterse>
driftig: being black doesn't give you an excuse to use "niggaz" or any other slang
* apeiros
was about to write:
<apeiros>
> while "I'm black, therefore I can say niggaz" may work well in meatspace, it doesn't in irc. even if I knew you're black I couldn't tolerate it.
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<driftig>
apeiros: I could keybase.io prove it!
<apeiros>
you're missing the point
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<driftig>
apeiros: But the point is, I don't understand why it's such a burdened topic.
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<apeiros>
in meatspace, all people have to do is look at you.
<apeiros>
in irc, that simply doesn't work.
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<driftig>
I know that there's a certain random person who joins with the n*g*e* handle, jumbled up in some sort of way.
<driftig>
Without even a chance to contribute they're auto-banned.
<apeiros>
if you wish to discuss it: #ruby-banned is the place. this isn't.
<driftig>
Even Obama used it.
<driftig>
apeiros: Fine, fine.
* driftig
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<apeiros>
or #ruby-community, if you want to have a go at the policies.
<driftig>
apeiros: only if you're in there <3
<apeiros>
I'm in all of them.
<driftig>
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<shevy>
apeiros is in ALL THE CHANNELS
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<apeiros>
only some ~20
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<driftig>
How does one focus on life whilst being in 20 channels?
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<driftig>
Once I connect to IRC, I have to cycle /window next until sessions are cleared.
<apeiros>
but the 20 channels are life…
<apeiros>
irc mostly fills the idle cycles of my meatcpu
<driftig>
i want the dell xps 15
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<driftig>
but i have some custom design ideas i'd like dell to implement first beforehand
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<driftig>
like the webcam, it needs to be in the centre of the screen.
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<driftig>
sigh, good systems are so hard to find
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<pontiki>
one needs must have something to do while $compiling
<driftig>
get with the times, amazonaws compilations, local binary installations
<driftig>
save your SSD
<pontiki>
some things still take time. in many cases, it's paint drying for me
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<driftig>
we love watching warning flags fire off the screen
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<havenwood>
good mornin'
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<driftig>
havenwood: related to morningwood?
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<centrx>
Sick joke
<driftig>
centrx: not really.
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<pontiki>
havenwood: thanks for the regexp the other day
<driftig>
morningwood is a real handle.
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<driftig>
guess he left irc.
<driftig>
nice guy...
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<gregf__>
>> char_weight = [*?a..?z].zip([*1..26]).to_h;%w{knowledge hardwork attitude}.each{ |w| p [w, w.chars.inject(0){ |s, c| s+=char_weight[c] }] } # for a moment i thought this couldn't true, but it apparently is
<new_student>
This error does not arise if I use the same command inside cygwin
<gregf__>
*be
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<pontiki>
new_student: this seems like the classic problem with windows and using rubygems. let me see if i can find the fix for it
<havenwood>
pontiki: You're welcome! You sparked my interest to write a script to automatically create a Regexp that matches a number range from zero to x. (Still working on it.)
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<apeiros>
pontiki: still quite buggy :(
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<shevy>
thouh shalt love thy bugs!
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<driftig>
shevy: Do you drive a chevrolet?
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<droptone>
Here's possibly a simple question: I have a .each loop and, based on a condition, I want to do either arr["a"].each do... or arr["b"].each do....
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<droptone>
Is it possible to put that within an if? Such as, if this > 1; arr["aa"].each do |a|; else; arr["bb"].each do |b|; end
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<droptone>
Or do I have to put both .each loops in seperate sections of the if condition, replicating all that code?
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<jhass>
droptone: arr[this > 1 ? "a" : "b"].each do
<apeiros>
nested methods would sometimes be nice…
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<apeiros>
nested = ->(){}; nested.() is somehow less nice.
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<jhass>
or to_iterate = this > 1 ? arr["a"] : arr["b"]; to_iterate.each if you prefer. Or key = this > 1 "a" : "b"; arr[key].each
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<droptone>
jhass: wonderful, thank you.
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<gregf__>
>> this=[0,1]; a,b= 0,1; arr = [[1,2,3],[4,5,6]]; this.each{ |i| p arr[i.zero? ? a : b ].select(&:even?) }
<apeiros>
and I'm pretty sure this could be simplified. at least I'm quite sure my old solution was ~20 lines, not ~50 (+ the quantifier/charclass methods)
* apeiros
afk
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ta
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<gregf__>
apeiros: is that like (0..10).to_regex?
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<shevy>
driftig I always get that too! or chevy chase or something
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<tuelz>
how do I use send with the append operator?
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<tuelz>
Instance.instance_method_that_returns_an_array << object is what I'm trying to achieve, but the Instance is of a variable class
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<tuelz>
nevermind, I just had a typo
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<Luyin>
hi, I'm setting up redmine on my computer. while installing some gems, I got this message: "rdoc's executable "rdoc" conflicts with /usr/bin/rdoc | Overwrite the executable? [yN]" is it save to say yes?
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<jhass>
I wouldn't overwrite it
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<Luyin>
jhass can you tell me why, or is it just general caution?
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<jhass>
your /usr/bin/rdoc probably comes from a package of your distribution
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<jhass>
I would always prefer files from packages over untracked things installing files to the global system
<Luyin>
okay, thanks
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<norc>
Just started booting my first real gem, and was wondering about best practicing about loading the files inside.
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<jhass>
I've seen two schools, have all requires in alphabetical (or the right order when there are interdependencies) in the main entry point of your gem, or have each file repeat each require it depends on at the top
<jhass>
personally I prefer the second approach
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<jhass>
well, some also autoload or even Dir[...] { require ... }
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<norc>
jhass: Mhm. That second approach has that neat effect that you can also require parts of the gems without potentially polluting namespaces (or possibly spend much time booting larger classes)
<norc>
So it doesn't sound too bad
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<jhass>
yeah
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<pontiki>
i prefer to put requires where used
<pontiki>
even if they're used in multiple classes
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<SUPERN1GG3R>
freenode is experiencing ddos attacks because of the uptight cunts in the #ruby channel
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<jhass>
!ban SUPERN1GG3R !T 1w then leave
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<snockerton>
lawl
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<Andrevan>
Hey, anyone want to take a crack at a VCR question? Trying to connect to an XMPP server running locally using the xmpp4r gem. Under the hood appears to be Net::HTTP but VCR won't pick it up in rspec
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<jhass>
wat?
<jhass>
xmpp4r is using BOSH or what? that would be really odd
<norc>
Okay... so apparently HighLine doesn't let me validate against q.in = (0..(1.0/0.0)) easily :<
<Andrevan>
jhass: xmpp4r has an HTTP Bind client
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<jhass>
and you're sure you're using it? (and why are you anyway?)
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<Andrevan>
jhass: I'm only using the HTTP Bind client in the test case because I want to use VCR to record the ejabberd server so it doesn't need to be running when I run my build.
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<kollapse>
Hi. I'm setting terminal titles using print "\x1b]2;TITLE_HERE\x07" in ruby but the title stays the safe after the script execution. I actually have to press Enter or Ctrl+C to reset the title. What can I issue inside ruby to ensure that the title gets reset correctly upon termination ?
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<jhass>
Andrevan: I'm not sure that's a good approach in the first place. The edge case behavior of both might very well differ, leading to bugs in the real code you don't discover in your specs or vice versa
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<Andrevan>
jhass: Not sure what you mean, but it's a perfectly fine approach in my book. VCR records the behavior of the server. I write an integration test that exercises the various routines, e.g. register, join a chat, receive a message. Then VCR records the HTTP responses and I can run against the fixtured data instead of the live server.
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<Andrevan>
jhass: ejabberd is a mature server program and it's unlikely to change, but I don't want to have a dependency on running it for CI, etc.
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<jhass>
Andrevan: except that for the real server you use another underlying protocol essentially
<Andrevan>
jhass: the alternative is stubbing out the responses from the client wrapper, but that makes the test brittle and dependent on the order I call it in implementation.
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<Andrevan>
jhass: xmpp4r has a drop in HTTP replacement for the XMPP client
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<jhass>
Andrevan: yes, but you don't want to stub your calls to xmpp4r, meaning you want to do integration tests including what xmpp4r does for you. So you don't actually test what you use in production
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<Andrevan>
jhass: I want to use VCR to record production jabber data that I will hit with Jabber::HTTPBinding::Client. In real life it uses Jabber::Client, but the code is the same and the interface is the same. I can refactor the xmpp4r code and it will still hit the same fixtured test VCR data
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<Andrevan>
jhass: if I stub the calls to Jabber::Client I need to assert that all of the test doubles behave a certain way in a certain order, and if I refactor the implementation I need to rewrite the stubs
<jhass>
you're just repeating what you said previously completely ignoring my point, I see no further point in this conversation
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<Andrevan>
jhass: hmm, I thought I was explaining myself. I asked for help with a technical problem - VCR doesn't intercept the Net::HTTP call in Jabber::HTTPBinidng::Client. I didn't really need a design critique of my decision here since that part is not going to change -- I just don't understand why VCR can't see the Net::HTTP call
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<jhass>
and I replied with why I think that you waste effort in even trying to make it work, whatever the issue is
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<Andrevan>
jhass: fair, but I don't agree. If you're interested in trying to debug the technical problem we can keep talking.
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<Andrevan>
jhass: I would rather have a test that exercises the implementation more or less fully with the exception of the drop-in HTTP adapter, than one that exercises no part of the underlying implementation because it's all stubs
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<Andrevan>
jhass: think of it like using headless Capybara instead of Chrome. THe server on the other side is the same but we talk to it in a different way in test. It's still the difference between an integration test and a stubbed out unit test
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<Andrevan>
jhass: the larger issue is that VCR usually just automagically picks up all Net::HTTP calls. I know it's set up because if I make a get to google.com that gets picked up, but the call inside xmpp4r is ignored
<jhass>
Andrevan: if you ever tried to port say a selenium backed project to poltergeist, you would know exactly what I mean
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<jhass>
the edge case behavior is so different, and it's not even close to being as different in the backend implementation
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<jhass>
anyway, as said I see no real point in continuing that discussion
<Andrevan>
jhass: I've worked on projects that used selenium, poltergeist, capybara-webkit, cucumber, etc. The browser drivers do behave differently, but there's still value in them.
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<Andrevan>
jhass: The solution is probably to use a custom test proxy like puffing-billy, but before I bite that bullet I was going to try to get VCR to work.
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<Andrevan>
jhass: the behavior of the xmpp4r HTTP version versus the XMPP is actually more or less the same. The HTTP one is a little better for test cases because it returns things like status codes, so it's more Rails controller-y f
<axsuul>
If i'm simply just trying to require 'logger' but it says cannot be found, is there something wrong with my ruby installation?
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<jhass>
axsuul: maybe, how did you install it?
<axsuul>
it just randomly happened
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<axsuul>
using rbenv
<nofxx>
How to group a flattened array into groups of X items?
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<jhass>
nofxx: each_slice
<nofxx>
jhass, ty!
<jhass>
axsuul: huh? you mean you can no longer reproduce it?
<axsuul>
means i never had this issue before today
<axsuul>
didnt mess with ruby installation
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<jhass>
axsuul: don't use Ruby, so no idea where the install base is, but check lib/ruby/2.2.0/logger.rb is still a thing?
<jhass>
any other stdlib requires failing?
<jhass>
er, don't use rbenv I mean
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<norc>
Is there an elegant way to overwrite a string A with a smaller string B, starting at index n of A?
<norc>
Just can't find a way without using B.length
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<norc>
DOH.
<norc>
Nevermind.
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<VeryBewitching>
One thing I would like to mention before we continue talking about this, I have no experience but bad ones running Ruby on the Windows OS
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<VeryBewitching>
Others may be running it successfully, but I have as of yet to know anything but pain trying.
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<new_student>
VeryBewitching: I am stuck at the very first stage
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<new_student>
The strange thing is, if I use cygwin, it doesn't cry
<VeryBewitching>
Yes, cygwin provides it's own C library environment.
<new_student>
Specifically, which C library would ruby be referring to
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<VeryBewitching>
Well, if you're running a Windows binary of Ruby, it's linked against the Windows MS provided C library.
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<VeryBewitching>
Under cygwin, it's GNU libc
<havenwood>
new_student: RubyGems doesn't respond to ICMP echo requests so it's not pingable.
<new_student>
havenwood: that is not the issue. I pinged just to show you that my DNS servers are functioning fine but ruby is not able to resolve rubygems.org
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<VeryBewitching>
new_student: Use nslookup
<new_student>
VeryBewitching: nslookup succeeds too
<norc>
new_student: Have you wiresharked it yet?
<havenwood>
new_student: What version of RubyGems?: gem -v
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<havenwood>
gem -v #=> 2.5.0
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<new_student>
norc: yes, I did, and during the gem command, no DNS requests are being made
<new_student>
havenwood: 2.0.15
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<havenwood>
new_student: Does updating RubyGems itself work?: gem update --system
<havenwood>
new_student: 9Newer Ruby ships with newer RubyGems but you can update it independently.)
<new_student>
havenwood: it just says: Latest version currently installed. Aborting.
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<norc>
new_student: Have you flushed your DNS cache?