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<agent_white>
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<jhebden>
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<Blueby>
Hey folks, so I’ve been having this issue where my http request using any of the ruby http gems (http, httparty, rest-client) time out. With curl or the browser, there is no issue whatsoever. Today I went to starucks, and everything worked well on the sbucks wifi, it also works fine on my iphone hotspot). Any ideas on what could be going on and how to fix it?
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<Blueby>
Also I just turned off iPv6, and it seems that the issue is resolved (ruby http clients work on my home connection), but I read online that shutting off ipv6 is not ideal. Can anyone think of other solutions?
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<gizmore>
Blueby: making it work?
<Blueby>
Sorry, I don’t understand your question
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<Nawn>
Hey guys! Question regarding threads. What does Thread#join do? I don't quite understand the docs. Doesn't simply creating a new thread begin executing the code alongside the main thread, right?
<ytti>
it simply bloks the thread
<ytti>
i don't think it's very descriptive method name
<ytti>
if you dno't block the thread, your main thread will complete, and as it exits all threads exit
<Nawn>
So, in what case should I use Thread#join?
<ytti>
with #join, you make main thread block until specific trehad exists
<matthewd>
When you want that thread to have completed before your current thread continues execution
<oddmunds>
DaniG2k: pass your HTTP-request making class (in your case Nokogiri, i think?) as a initialization parameter to your Spider
<oddmunds>
and in your tests, pass a stub
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<oddmunds>
that is one way to do it
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<catphish_>
does ruby GC run automatically when enabled?
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<manveru>
catphish_: it always runs... not sure if you can even disable it completely
<dminuoso_>
catphish_: I would like you to think on what you just asked.
<catphish_>
well you can GC.disable, so i'd assume you can
<dminuoso_>
catphish_: What state would you think the GC was in if you enabled it, if it was not automatically running?
<catphish_>
well that's a good question, but it can also be run manually, which is ignored when disabled, so i wasn't entirely sure
<catphish_>
i'll assume from your tone the answer is yes
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<catphish_>
i dislike hunting memory leaks :(
<dminuoso_>
catphish_: The GC will trigger periodically - #start is to start it on demand in addition.
<dminuoso_>
Normally there is no need to call #start by the way.
<catphish_>
i thought that was the case, i just wanted to make sure
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<matthewd>
catphish_: Describe what you're seeing?
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<catphish_>
matthewd: i'm debugging an app that uses a lot of threads and has a constantly increasing memory footprint
<catphish_>
right now i don't have the first clue what is allocating it
<dminuoso_>
catphish_: Dump your heap and inspect it?
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<catphish_>
i tried that a while back and the sum was nowhere near the memory usage i was seeing
<matthewd>
I'd start by counting instances per class via ObjectSpace.each_object, because that's easy -- then go on to a heap dump
<dminuoso_>
catphish_: If that was the case, it could be a memory leak outside of the Ruby world, perhaps in a native extension. Have you run it through valgrind?
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<catphish_>
i haven't, that seems like s sensible step though
<dminuoso_>
catphish_: If it's a long term problem, it's gonna be costly though. Valgrind will decreasep performance by a factor of about 30.
<catphish_>
well i'll go away and reproduce this in a staging environment and see what i can see
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<catphish_>
debugging in production is of course painful
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<matthewd>
You know that a temporarily high object heap will allocate memory to ruby and then not give it back to the OS even after GC, right?
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<catphish_>
yeah, but that's not what's occurring here, it's a gradual increase
<catphish_>
the fix for that even states "This fixes a memory leak due to Timeout creating threads on each invocation."
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<catphish_>
seems like my leak definitely doesn't show up in objspace dumps :(
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<dminuoso_>
catphish_: Well you have already shown that it doesn't show in heap dumps soo.. :P
<dminuoso_>
Valgrind to the rescue.
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<catphish_>
just wanted to make sure, as i hadn't run one recently
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<Garo__>
Hi. Let's say I have a list [1,2]. What would be a nice and clean way to define an iterator function which would roll back to the start when it reaches the end of the list? eg. next() == 1, next() == 2, next() == 1 # so loop back to the beginning
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<manveru>
>> c = [1,2,3].cycle; 10.times{ c.next }; c.next
<catphish_>
turns out i have literally no idea how to use valgrind :)
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<harfangk>
which ruby version is avdi grimm's confident ruby written for?
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<harfangk>
ah nvm found it - mainly 1.9.3
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<bturker>
I have a legacy project with lots of old dependencies and I'm attempting to cull unused dependecies and find how and where in the project dependecies are used. Is there a reliable way to determine where in a project a gem dependency is used and how it is used?
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<wpostma>
when it comes to culling dependencies, if you have tests, just start removing them, and revert the ones that fail tests.
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<bturker>
greping for requires only gets me so far. Unfortunately the code is organized in a way where top level modules require all the gem dependencies and classes within the namespace just assume their presence.
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<wpostma>
Ah. Then the break it and revert it model may be an easy way to probe the code. If you have no tests, then you're pretty hooped.
<bturker>
I would like to determine the actually call site into external dependencies so I can also determine how extensive the usage of the depdendecies are. For example, there are probably several cases where a gem is included for a single function that could easily be pulled into the code-base.
<wpostma>
Hmm. You could try some metaprogramming, if you have tests, you should be able to build a call graph.
<wpostma>
but how to associate the call item nodes to gem dependencies? That I have no idea about.
<bturker>
I've got a decent array of tests so the "break it" could work.
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<wpostma>
Maybe an interim goal can be to move your requirements nearer to their usages and to cite what they are there for yourself as you go.
<wpostma>
Implicit require is a code smell.
<bturker>
Indeed. Which is why I have set out to this task.
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<wpostma>
This kind of thing makes me appreciate Go more. Gofmt formatter actually deletes unused requires every time you save if your editor invokes gofmt.
<wpostma>
C#, and Java developers at least have code analysis tooling in their IDEs to spot unused imports.
<wpostma>
You can use rcov to figure out how good your tests are at covering your app, then figure out which dependencies are at least untested, and then from those identify which are unused.
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<wpostma>
Apparently RubyMine has tooling to find unused code.
<rgiscard>
save
<rgiscard>
doh
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<rgiscard>
bturker: for plain ol' dependency vizualization, try graphviz and ruby-graphviz
<hanmac>
wpostma: because of the dynamiclly of ruby you can not easily say if a require is unused
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<bturker>
rgiscard: that is more inline with what I was looking for. I will give ruby2gv a try. thank you.
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<hanmac>
bturker: it works without extra gem (but need dot/graphviz)
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<manveru>
i think bundler also has a graph option for graphviz
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<hanmac>
manveru: yeah but i didnt like the output of it. (and my version is more informative)
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<rgiscard>
hanmac: nice work!
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<hanmac>
rgiscard: checkout also the parameters that can be enabled. (adding development dependencies might turn that image very big)
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<bturker>
bundle viz gets me some good information, but my ultimate objective is first identify and remove unused dependecies and secondly provide an analysis of how much and where a dependencies is actually used. I can probably make some assumptions about top level API modules for dependencies by parsing traversing and parsing the gem source files and then search my projects source files for references.
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<bturker>
an AST would be helpful...
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<DaniG2k>
hello all
<DaniG2k>
I have the following Nokogiri element (meta robots)
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<TestingIRC>
why it installs dependencies on a global basis instead of per module, like npm, of some npm module requires older package it installs it without need to remove new version of package allready installed
<TestingIRC>
that is why npm so successfull, why not have the same with ruby ?
<TestingIRC>
but it still installs package dependencies globally, right ?
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<Nilium>
If you're asking why X, you should probably ask the people who wrote it.
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<bturker>
TestingIRC: You can install gem dependencies local to your project with the --path and --binstubs switch, e.g. `bundle install --path ./.vendor --binstubs`
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<hanmac>
TestingIRC: first ruby on Rails is a Framework and has nothing to do with the language itself. rubygems is the "package management", bundler was/is an extension build on top of rubygems to allow more features like local install. (it was absorbed by rubygems)
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<b00tcat>
hi, is there a more elegant way to ensure that 3 arrays have the same length other than comparing a.length, b.length and c.length ?
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<Nilium>
b00tcat: Is that not elegant?
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<Nilium>
I'd sort of figure that the most obvious and direct code was elegant.
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<hanmac>
b00tcat: the only idea for that i have is: [a.size,b.size,c.size].uniq.size == 1
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<Nilium>
Kinda gross.
* dminuoso_
hands hanmac a pair of brackets
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<dminuoso_>
You may need those.
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<hanmac>
okay guys, what about this? [a,b,c].uniq(&:size).one?
<dminuoso_>
uh.
<dminuoso_>
I prefer .uniq.size == [1]
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<Nilium>
I prefer a.length == b.length && a.length == c.length
<Nilium>
That way I don't have to spend a bunch of time mentally parsing what you've done.
<dminuoso_>
Nilium: Then do that.
<dminuoso_>
Nilium: If code is magical to the point where you don't immediately recognize what it does - do not use it
<Nilium>
I think you're confusing me with the person who asked for "elegant"
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<dminuoso_>
Nilium: Elegancy is related to readabililty - it depends a bit on your expertise.
<Nilium>
I'm just saying I prefer the obvious answer to the let's-see-what-we-can-do-with-Ruby's-syntax-today approach.
<Nilium>
If you had a variable number of arrays, then the weirder approach makes sense.
<dminuoso_>
Nilium: As long as the code communicates intent immediately, yeah.
<dminuoso_>
But when single lines of code require a comment to understand what they do, then it's a code smell.
<Nilium>
I figure code-golfing a test for whether three arrays have the same length is approaching smelliness, but it depends on how hard you push it.
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<b00tcat>
hm thanks, then I'll stick with comparing the 3 lenghts :) legibility matters, that's right
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<atmosx>
ruby-lang499: I did, but I never got to chapter 14 tbh. I'd take a look but the book in the office's shelf... it's a great book though.
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<ruby-lang499>
but is it necessary to read from chapter 14 onwards?
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<atmosx>
I would say that most people I know, including myself read up to chapter 7. From then on we went kinda selectively...
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<atmosx>
You don't really need chapter 14, 15
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<atmosx>
Although 15 is a nice chapter and generally speaking the book flows rather easily, compared to say the PickAxe which is much more dense.
<atmosx>
and non-linear
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<ruby-lang499>
oh i see
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<LyndsySimon>
I'm having some issues with Grape, in creating a validator that considers the value of multiple parameters. Would anyone mind taking a look?
<bovis>
I'd prefer to see the gray background color extend across the terminal and not in the following new line. Nothing I've tried seems to give me a middle ground between what you can see in the upper image, urxvt, and lower, st.
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<bovis>
It looks like stretching a line to the end of the screen may require the use of curses and a read of terminal columns... I'm not sure I want to take it that far. It's just delineation of material. Bolding the text could prove a suitable replacement.
<adaedra>
You already have the pieces above, just have to reassemble
<bovis>
essentially, I'm adding a number to a string, increasing number, looping again
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<adaedra>
?
<bovis>
I'd have to add the string and number somewhere..
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<adaedra>
Take the expression `count.to_s + ". " + line`, and try to make it a string with interpolation
<adaedra>
you don't have to use assignation at all
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<bovis>
"... #{count.to_s} . #{line.to_s}"
<bovis>
line might already be a string...
<adaedra>
yes, and #{} already does .to_s
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<bovis>
I guess it looks a little nicer
<adaedra>
if you remove the last useless parts?
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<bovis>
hm?
<bovis>
oh, the to_s
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<bovis>
two min. ago, I was not aware of the automatic to_s
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<adaedra>
yay learning
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<bovis>
now I need a place for the color module,
<bovis>
it doesnt' make sense where it's at
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<adaedra>
interpolation has another advantage over being nicer: you allocate less strings. If you do "a" + "b" + "c", ruby will first allocate each three strings, then "ab", then finally "abc". Interpolation avoids the extra step.
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<bovis>
that would be a lot of overhead in larger projects
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<bovis>
anything that writes a lot of strings in the first place
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<agent_white>
Afternoon folks
<adaedra>
hello
<bovis>
hi
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<bovis>
thanks for the help adaedra
<bovis>
much appreciated
<adaedra>
you're welcome.
<bovis>
al2o3-cr: you too
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<^chewie>
say, do you bundler/gem-experts know any reason why we need to hold on to `/.../bundle/ruby/1.9.1/cache/*.gem` files when deploying to servers? AFAIK, gems are usually uncompressed and compiled in to `/.../bundle/ruby/1.9.1/gems`, right? Once installed, those cache files are unnecessary, right?
<^chewie>
(Yes, I know that's a very old ruby.)
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<^chewie>
uit
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<patarr>
Has anyone successfully set up lograge? I am following the directions on GitHub to a T, and it’s simply not formatting my output any differently than it was.
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<patarr>
They call it lograge cause it doesn’t work, and throws you into a rage
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<Torkable>
I was guna say that
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<bovis>
can you include modules and make them private? can you include the modules after the line "private"; does there need to be a "private" line in the module itself?
<bovis>
*make their methods private
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