17:56 <anna_k> Has anyone else noticed outbound SMTP issues on Oasis?

18:05 <anna_k> Beginning at about midnight ET, and persisting til now, grain sharing on Oasis gives me a "Failed to send" error and roundcube throws me an "SMTP error: [-1]."

22:59 <kentonv> what's the over-under on this upgrade to Wayland hosing my desktop?

22:59 <kentonv> relevant: I use nvidia binary blob drivers.

23:01 <kentonv> time to find out I guess

23:07 <kentonv> holy cow, it worked

23:11 <kentonv> nevermind, it installed wayland but is still using X. Funny, on my laptop it automatically switched.

23:15 <biotim> looks like it's maybe not supported with nvidia drivers yet https://askubuntu.com/questions/907727/no-way-to-choose-wayland-in-gdm-using-ubuntugnome-17-04

23:18 <kentonv> there appears to be an nvidia wayland driver package in Debian Sid

23:18 <kentonv> dunno how well it works

23:19 <kentonv> apt is giving me all sorts of trouble but I'm not sure if it's wayland-related or what. dist-upgrade wants to remove my whole desktop (gnome-shell, xorg, etc.) and I can't figure out why.

23:26 <biotim> hmm that seems to happen sometimes when there are dependency issues for a big upgrade. Sometimes you just have to remove a whole bunch of desktop related stuff and reinstall after the upgrade by installing task-gnome-desktop.

23:26 <biotim> As long as the package manager and shell don't get removed, you can still proceed.

23:27 <kentonv> it appears that it's trying to switch everything to i386 instead of amd64

23:27 <kentonv> which I definitely do not want

23:27 <biotim> hmm that's not good

23:28 <kentonv> # aptitude why-not gnome-terminal

23:28 <kentonv> i gnome-core Depends gnome-terminal (>= 3.22)

23:28 <kentonv> i A gnome-terminal Conflicts gnome-terminal:i386

23:28 <kentonv> i A gnome-terminal Provides gnome-terminal:i386

23:28 <kentonv> does this say that gnome-terminal conflicts with itself?

23:28 <kentonv> because it claims to both provide and conflict with gnome-terminal:i386?

23:32 <anna_k> Hi Kenton, I got your email. I've regained my ability to invite people to grains, but even after restarting the Roundcube grain, Roundcube still is giving me the same error message

23:32 <biotim> It does seem odd that gnome-terminal is listed as a conflict for itselt. Doesn't stop me from installing it using apt-get or synaptic.

23:34 <kentonv> anna_k, if you create a brand-new roundcube grain and try sending e-mail, does it work? (Trying to determine if it's a problem specific to the grain...)

23:36 <anna_k> will do

23:37 <kentonv> biotim, to be clear, you were able to install the amd64 version? It seems only the amd64 version is a conflict for itself.

23:38 <anna_k> @kentonv yep no problem sending from a new roundcube grain

23:39 <kentonv> anna_k, ok, now try saving a backup of the broken grain, restoring the backup (hence creating a copy of the grain), and seeing if it can send...

23:40 <anna_k> kentonv ok

23:48 <kentonv> anna_k, did you recently change your primary e-mail address in your Sandstorm account settings?

23:48 <kentonv> I see an error in the log which suggests that roundcube is trying to use a different address than your primary address, and that seems to be why it's not working

23:49 <anna_k> yep

23:50 <kentonv> In theory we should make it work with any of your verified addresses, but the e-mail code predates the ability to have multiple verified addresses and it's hard to change for a few reasons. :/

23:50 <anna_k> kentonv I created a gmail for communication with people who have registered fro a conference, and am trying to have multiple people manage conference-related emails via it

23:50 <biotim> yes, installing amd64 version of gnome-terminal works for me

23:50 <biotim> but i remember i did have a lot of conflict issues when upgrading

23:51 <biotim> (when doing dist-upgrade)

23:51 <kentonv> anna_k, unfortunately you won't be able to send mail from roundcube unless the from: address matches the primary email of the user who owns the grain.

23:52 <anna_k> kentonv I was never able to send outgoing email when logged in as anna_k, so I've been switching between logging in ass anna_k and logging in as berearising to send the emails

23:53 <kentonv> but you can change your primary address in the Sandstorm account settings

23:53 <kentonv> how long have you been using this grain this way? We made a big change to the identity system a month ago which might have affected this...

23:54 <anna_k> I just installed roundcube last week.

23:55 <kentonv> ah, ok. So does switching your primary e-mail solve the problem?