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<stellar-slack> <jojopoper> horizon is dead?
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> to verify you might try this https://www.stellar.org/developers/tools/client/
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> from that site it seems to be working so horizon must be working
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<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> that's what I see on an account I just created with friendbot
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> can you provide you account in text so I can cut and paist it?
<stellar-slack> <jojopoper> GAZWSWPDQTBHFIPBY4FEDFW2J6E2LE7SZHJWGDZO6Q63W7DBSRICO2KN
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> I do note that my stellar-core has died at 20/10/2015 09:39 __core out of sync detected
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> and failed to restart with my auto reset program
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> strange when the other day I couldn't get it to fail even if I tried so something on the stellar end node set might be mest up?
<stellar-slack> <jojopoper> ......,:(
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> but your account shows a return from the tools site\
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> native balance "70099.1999200"
<stellar-slack> <jojopoper> I see. I'm debugging my program , connect to the horizon, but always returns timeout.
<stellar-slack> <jojopoper> testnet and livenet
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> I'll give horizon a try from here to verify
<stellar-slack> <jojopoper> ...I'm going to do some other things....,:(
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> horizon works ok from thailand at this time, performed transactions on this account GDSKZBPN7CHBHEIFHSDEDUOWJHTW5W6SNWTZMDWAK7OM6V5XMPXXTN5S ok
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> after manually reseting my stellar-core it is now also working
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<stellar-slack> <jed> Jojopoper: you can just put https://horizon-testnet.stellar.org/ in your browser to see if it is working
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<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> ya jojopoper sometimes it's location specific for failures for me with some websites
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> all that I know is that it was working here at the time
<stellar-slack> <sacarlson> oh and sometimes vpn around my problem works for me. as I think it's my ISP that sometimes filters stuf from me for reason I don't know
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<bittrex-richie> hey someone from the stellar team around?
<stellar-slack> <jed> yep
<stellar-slack> <scott> yepyep
<bittrex-richie> i got jed in slack.. thanks scott ;)
<stellar-slack> <scott> :)
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<bittrex-richie> guys i'm playign with this right now
<bittrex-richie> tryign to send a test payment
<bittrex-richie> what is the "asset code"?
<stellar-slack> <richiela> meh.. i guess i should jsut talk in here..
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<stellar-slack> <scott> richiele: The asset system in the network has three types: native, “credit alphanum 4” and “credit alphanum 12”, the two credit types have an alphanumeric code and an issuer associated with them used to identify the asset
<stellar-slack> <scott> for example
<stellar-slack> <scott> take the “USD” asset issued by address “G123"
<stellar-slack> <scott> it’s type would be “ASSET_TYPE_CREDIT_ALPHANUM4"
<stellar-slack> <scott> it’s code would be “USD"
<stellar-slack> <scott> its issuer would be “G123"
<stellar-slack> <richiela> so how do i send XLM?
<stellar-slack> <scott> So, the xdr definitions for `Asset` are here: https://github.com/stellar/stellar-core/blob/master/src/xdr/Stellar-ledger-entries.x#L22
<stellar-slack> <scott> To send an XLM payment, craft a payment operation where the `asset` field is set to the native assets
<stellar-slack> <richiela> hmm and how does one do that? it looks like it switches on assettype
<stellar-slack> <richiela> but in the UI
<stellar-slack> <richiela> there really isn't an option
<stellar-slack> <richiela> thast what i'm trying to use
<stellar-slack> <scott> oh, I have no idea about that, I didn’t write that tool
<stellar-slack> <jed> yeah that tool isn't comprehensive. It is just a demo
<stellar-slack> <jed> we are making a comprehensive one now
<stellar-slack> <richiela> so i can't send just XLM? :)
<stellar-slack> <richiela> tryign to create dummy tx's so i can test this code heh
<stellar-slack> <jed> you can send just xlm
<stellar-slack> <richiela> erm... how? thats all i wanna do
<stellar-slack> <richiela> if i leave asset blank, it throws an error TypeError: Cannot read property 'length' of undefined
<stellar-slack> <jed> just leave asset and issuer blank
<stellar-slack> <jed> oj
<stellar-slack> <jed> try `native` as the code
<stellar-slack> <richiela> Error: Issuer cannot be null
<stellar-slack> <jed> hmm there is this then: https://github.com/stellar/basic-client
<stellar-slack> <jed> but we don't have it hosted anywhere ATM
<stellar-slack> <jed> you can run it locally though
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<stellar-slack> <bartek> @richiela: I was able to send a transaction using network explorer
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<stellar-slack> <richiela> hmm .. wth
<stellar-slack> <richiela> sec trying again
<stellar-slack> <richiela> hm i used memo as wel
<stellar-slack> <richiela> did the exact same thing but got an error.. meh
<stellar-slack> <jed> your error is that the destination doesn't exist
<stellar-slack> <jed> you need to create the destination account first
<stellar-slack> <richiela> erm... does it have to be "funded" to be created?
<stellar-slack> <richiela> i mean i have the secret for it already
<stellar-slack> <richiela> it was the root account that was created...
<stellar-slack> <jed> yeah there is a separate tx to create an account now
<stellar-slack> <scott> apparently that tool doesn’t really have a facility for creating arbitrary accounts
<stellar-slack> <richiela> ok simple enough.. i can just create another oen and have the bot fund it i suppose
<stellar-slack> <scott> yep
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<stellar-slack> <irisli> I have a question about the history store disk usage. How many GB of data do we expect stellar-core to save into the history? How big would it be if we had usage similar to the stellard network?
<stellar-slack> <scott> it’ll be much smaller than the legacy network, given the inefficiencies of the SHAMap
<stellar-slack> <irisli> but is there an estimate on the disk size a history store would likely want to have just in case?
<stellar-slack> <jed> you mean for complete history?
<stellar-slack> <irisli> i wonder if there is data on the current test net with stress test numbers
<stellar-slack> <irisli> yea
<stellar-slack> <irisli> if someone were to host a validator, how much disk space should they prepare to allocate?
<stellar-slack> <jed> you don't need complete history to do that though
<stellar-slack> <irisli> allocation (and requesting it in the beginning) is often easier than upsizing
<stellar-slack> <irisli> Oh, i thought it was mandatory that a validator host history
<stellar-slack> <jed> but you can look at how much testnet is taking up now: s3://history.stellar.org/prd/core-testnet/core_testnet_001
<stellar-slack> <jed> no you don't need it
<stellar-slack> <scott> I thought a validator needed to post/have available it’s own history
<stellar-slack> <eva> that’s what Gr-aydon said in the preso, I thought
<stellar-slack> <eva> (trying not to tag him cause he’s on vacation)
<stellar-slack> <jed> no it needs to be able to get it form somewhere to be able to catch up. but once it is caught up it doesn't need to write it
<stellar-slack> <jed> it will have the bucketlist and the SQL DB
<stellar-slack> <scott> @irisli: the on-disk growth of history will be very predictable, anything over 10GB of space should last quite a long time
<stellar-slack> <irisli> oh what about the history store size?
<stellar-slack> <irisli> if someone wanted to host the store on their own server. If someone at a university wanted to run a node, they would need to figure out how to get these resources and it's just kinda hard to ask for a blank check from administration. Though i do understand this question is difficult to answer. Also, how do i see the size of that s3 folder?
<stellar-slack> <jed> iris on testnet now a stellar-core would need 1.6GB of space for SQL and bucketlist
<stellar-slack> <jed> there are maybe around 1M accounts there
<stellar-slack> <scott> And that’s _with_ all the scrubbable data in txhistory and txfeehistory
<stellar-slack> <jed> iris I'd just say 10GB + another 40GB if they want to store hsitory
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<stellar-slack> <irisli> ok thanks for the more concrete numbers. It's a good start to have rough stats that can help guide things in the right direction
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<stellar-slack> <scott> horizon testnet may be rocky for a bit… I will be running some schema migrations and then updating history
<stellar-slack> <eva> @jojopoper: really excited to see your go-stellar-wallet for Windows and Linux! Were you able to work out your timeout issues?