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<mithro> Is there an "openfpga mailing list" ?
<pointfree> mithro: There's the yosys subreddit, github issues, various irc channels, and stackoverflow.
<pointfree> should there be a mailing list?
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<mithro> Well - I guess I can ask on the subreddit or github issue...
<mithro> pointfree: Welp, I posted here -> https://github.com/cseed/arachne-pnr/issues/78
<pointfree> mithro: Yeah. github feeds are not crowded out by other content like reddit feeds so it's more likely to be seen there.
<awygle> Unless there's something I don't know I'd expect the answer to be Pretty Much No
<pointfree> I'd hesitate to set up a discourse forum or mailing list before there is a need for it. Maybe some day when there are more supported devices and lots of newbie help questions.
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<mithro> pointfree: I find mailing lists are actually more useful for developer discussion than newbie helping
<awygle> i strongly dislike mailing lists, personally
<awygle> too much overhead, presents a barrier to discussion. plus there's too much email in my life already
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<azonenberg> awygle: my understanding is that the free IP is actually free on their store
<azonenberg> and they are mostly selling integration services
<azonenberg> and foundry stuff
<azonenberg> mithro: before we add any more public presences to the project
<azonenberg> we should probably rename it :p
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<mithro> azonenberg: which project?
<mithro> efabless fund Tim (not me, a different Tim) to work on qflow which is open source -- so that is pretty good
<azonenberg> mithro: there is another "openfpga" which may present a trademark collision
<azonenberg> they seem to be largely defunct and are unlikely to actually send us a C&D or anything
<azonenberg> but i'd rather rename our group pre-emptively to avoid trouble
<azonenberg> i just havent had time to sit down and figure out a new name etc
<mithro> librefpga :-P
<rqou> i think "libre" makes for terrible names
<jn__> and terrible puns: gcc -lreflow
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<pointfree> what's wrong with libre?
<pointfree> anyway, azonenberg, uspto.gov lists the openfpga trademark as "DEAD" "CANCELLED" http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4801:q2kd4g.2.1
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<balrog> pointfree: trademarks don't necessarily require registration
<balrog> pointfree: they've been keeping their 501c3 status up to date
<balrog> apparently Kevin Wohlever is listed as the principal contact
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<azonenberg> librefpga is both an awful name and too similar to openfpga
<azonenberg> main problem is i just havent had time to do anything related to it for a while :p
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<jn__> libreflow would be kind of a {p,f}unny name
<jn__> it's libre-flow and lib-reflow
<qu1j0t3> what's compat like for Atmel CPLDs?
<balrog> azonenberg, jn__: same for lib-re-fpga
<balrog> :D
<jn__> refpga is not a word, though
<awygle> Reverse engineering
<awygle> We could go with the power move and just be "libre"
<awygle> "what? It's a library for RE, what's everybody's problem?"
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<azonenberg> awygle: lol
<azonenberg> qu1j0t3: nobody's looked at them
<azonenberg> so, zero support and zero estimate of how hard it would be to add :p
* qu1j0t3 nods
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<cyrozap> Good news: My Taobao orders arrived!
<cyrozap> Bad news: I think the TV demodulator might be a fake: https://imgur.com/a/4tS29
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<cyrozap> Is there any way to decap an IC without chemicals? I'm extremely reluctant to do anything with acids, since I was never very good at chemistry :P
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<qu1j0t3> send it to somebody who loves doing it :)
<X-Scale> cyrozap: I wonder if a high resolution microscopic x-ray image through the chip would be physically feasable and small enough to detect the small details of an IC, avoiding using chemistry.