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<pie_[bnc]> azonenberg: idk if youre still doing build systems stuff but you might be interested in the build systems a la carte : theory and pratice, or the shorter older version of the paper
<kc8apf> link?
<pie_[bnc]> hold on
<kc8apf> thanks
<q3k> this is a good meme
<q3k> i like that excel is presented as a build system
<mwk> ... I mean, with sufficient hackery
<q3k> i mean, in a purely theoretical way
<mwk> ... now I want to make an actual build system out of excel
<q3k> still better than make
<kc8apf> Sisyphus was a "build system" at Google that was literally just a way to write step-by-step instructions and let someone walk through them and acknowledge each step
<q3k> man sisyphus
* q3k shudders
<pie_[bnc]> q3k: kc8apf ^
<q3k> kc8apf: but calling it a build system is pretty generous
<q3k> kc8apf: it was more of a glorified bash script with save states and a gating API
<q3k> kc8apf: there was, as far as i know, not really any concept of dependency graphs, other than 'for step A to run, steps B, C and D must have already completed'
<kc8apf> that describes many build systems I've seen
<qu1j0t3> isn't that a dependency graph? :)
<q3k> uh
<q3k> i mean, technically, yes, but not really in how most build systems treat them
<qu1j0t3> sure, i understand make and toposort. :)
<q3k> even with make you dpened on an artifact being present, and you define steps that declare how this artifact is achieved
<q3k> in this case it was dependency on 'this "command" must've run and not returned an error code'
<kc8apf> bitbake only depends on a record that previous steps were done
<kc8apf> it has no notion of artifacts
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<pie_[bnc]> free your mind
<pie_[bnc]> sideeffects are ephemeral
<qu1j0t3> pie_[bnc]: The side-effects of whatever you're smoking aren't
<pie_[bnc]> heh