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<midnightmagic>
looks like another form of proof-of-stake
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<kanzure>
hash-tree with commutation, use xor of hashes and has a second time instead of just once
<kanzure>
make two copies of CScript instead of having just the one
<kanzure>
lightning network hot wallets ok as long as small denomination btc used, forcelock protocol to subsatoshi amounts for now (maybe)
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<arubi>
is there any streaming going on currently? opening any of the streams I get "Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available". (iceweasel 38.2.1, debian jessie)
<arubi>
html 5 player setting is on
<gmaxwell>
arubi: probably not, it's too early.
<arubi>
ah, okay.
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<kanzure>
whereis riposte pynchon remailer
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<BlueMatt>
anyone have suggestions for ppts for ppt bingo in montreal?
<BlueMatt>
rump session tonight :)
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<bliljerk101>
what are some of the leading "true" scalability proposals? or has no one released their's publicly yet?
<nsh>
true like a scotsman, or true like love?
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<nsh>
there's a whole conference happening on it, imminently, or now maybe whoknows
<nsh>
people are doing talks and presentations. possibly materials related to these or even magically recordings thereof may appear on the internet for the satisfaction of curiosities, both true and otherwise
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<lmatteis>
was the bitcoin NG proposal by ettay released before the conference?
<lmatteis>
and is there a more detailed paper about it? the slides don't give away too much and it sounds interesting
<lmatteis>
s/ettay/Ittay Eyal
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<bliljerk101>
thanks. truth isn't ambiguous. i'll try to research all of the proposals at that conference (not optimistic at first glance) and any others i can find. i think the problem has been solved (not public info yet), so i'm trying to determine if someone has already proposed the same solution or even close. if anyone is highly interested in this (not just minor curiosity), feel free to pm me.
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<gmaxwell>
Anyone know any crazy powerpoints for really crazy (hopefully failed) altcoins? PM me or BlueMatt
<gmaxwell>
Or from big bitcoin scams?
<belcher>
try asking on /r/buttcoin too
<gmaxwell>
Can someone do that? There is a non-trivial amount of reprehensible sleezy and unethical behavior out of that community, so I would personally prefer to avoid it.
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<belcher>
what kind of crazy? like ponzi scheme stuff
<belcher>
building on greed and emotion
<gmaxwell>
Yea that would be good.
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<nsh>
'There is a non-trivial amount of reprehensible sleezy and unethical behavior out of that community' # <Humans....jpg>
<fluffypony>
gmaxwell: powerpoints?
<fluffypony>
like "whitepaper" stuff?
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<jgarzik>
gmaxwell, solidcoin / realsolid
<kanzure>
gmaxwell: i could dump all my bookmarks tagged with "altcoin" and "hilarious" if tha twould help
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<jgarzik>
gmaxwell, the 50-BTC-forever fork
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<gmaxwell>
Need presentations actually. :)
<fluffypony>
oh not PDFs then
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<jgarzik>
kanzure, typo Ketchup -> Keccak in SHA3
<gmaxwell>
Trying to gain more fodder for powerpoint karaoke; which is a fun thing where people go up and present a random slidedeck that they've never seen before (they can change the subject.. present it however they like) humor arising from their interpertations of the slides.
<nsh>
nice
<gmaxwell>
(and also from them getting surprised by the next slide.)
<fluffypony>
ok I've got a couple
<fluffypony>
will pm you links
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<kanzure>
jgarzik: ah good catch
<kanzure>
jgarzik: fixed
<gmaxwell>
hahah. ketchup hash. :P
<jgarzik>
I did the first rev of Keccak integration into the Linux kernel, so it's a topic near and dear to my heart ;p
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<kanzure>
gmaxwell: oh, your description of powerpoint karaoke makes much more sense, i thought it was just point and laugh :-)
<gmaxwell>
kanzure: oh no, it's fantastic. or at least when it's good, it's really good. And when it's bad its at least not boring.
<gmaxwell>
if the presentation is inherently stupid, then thats okay, and if it's not you just make it inherently stupid in your take on it. :)
<kanzure>
ok well get johnny in on that
<gmaxwell>
The one real risk is that sometimes people think they're supposted to make fun of the slides, which _usually_ isn't the goal.
<kanzure>
tell the participants that the best pitch gets BTC venture funding
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<gmaxwell>
I wanted to find some pitch decks of failed bitcoin companies but came up dry.
<gmaxwell>
like mtgox or such. :)
<kanzure>
mtgox never had a pitch deck
<gmaxwell>
they actually were seeking investment near the implosion time.
<Taek>
kanzure: if you share it with everyone it ruins the surprise :)
<kanzure>
you must hate spoilers :P
<warren>
Near implosion time they were talking to VC's, and their lawyers thought they were near reopening banking relationships in the U.S., they were in the process of hiring in the U.S. for that.
<kanzure>
ah interesting
<kanzure>
yeah getting the mtgox deck would be amazing
<warren>
I only heard about the VC's and desire to hire, haven't seen a deck.
<gmaxwell>
one many not exist, but if it did, someone who gave it to matt would be a hero.