#bitcoin-wizards on 2015-09-17 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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04:49 <amiller> when did the main Bitcoin p2p subsystem, in all its glory, start being called "The Router"?

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05:19 <Luke-Jr> so it would be nice if there was a reliable log-bot here; ideally one that could listen for messages like "!bookmark <foo>" and build a bookmark list we could use for ideas..

05:24 <jgarzik> amiller, hehe

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05:24 <jgarzik> amiller, I've been calling it a border router for a little while now, referring bitcoind built with --disable-wallet

05:25 <jgarzik> *referring to

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07:44 <gmaxwell> http://arxiv.org/abs/1509.04764 < paper on decoding RS codes with partial symbols, showing that O(N) bits are required to recover N bits (with constant factors) even if the loss patterns do not fall on the symbol boundaries.

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07:45 <gmaxwell> Relevance to us is schemes like network block coding could still have efficiency gains even if you do not arrange for the transactions to be an integral number of symbols long.

07:45 <gmaxwell> Also this paper would, presumably, make pratical attacks on incorrectly constructed secret sharing schemes that do not actually achieve information theoretic security.

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11:12 <kanzure> Luke-Jr: plz define functionality of said bookmarking bot (this will make it easier to convince myself or someone else to implement it)

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11:40 <andytoshi> kanzure: i propose every time somebody posts a link they get PM'd asking for a title (if it couldn't be extracted automatically) and some tags. this goes to a database along with surrounding chat context and can be viewed online or exported in a format jotmuch can use

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11:51 <kanzure> hm, i think Luke-Jr's idea was for bookmarking anchorlinks for -wizards logs though

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13:50 <Luke-Jr> kanzure: the log website could display a list of bookmarks with links to the part of hte chat log

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14:01 <kanzure> right

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14:10 <xeon-enouf> hrm, are you sure "bookmark" is the right terminology to use there? I'm likely just totally flaking though

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14:11 <xeon-enouf> the log essentially becomes a list of URLs, and each with a small amount of descriptive text?

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14:34 <pigeons> < gmaxwell> I wanted to find some pitch decks of failed bitcoin companies but came up dry. >> http://butwithbitcoins.com/

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17:05 <maaku> gmaxwell: my understanding is that it makes alternative address formats easier too, correct?

17:05 <maaku> don't need to worry (as much) about optimizing bytes of payload to match RS parameters

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17:06 <gmaxwell> maaku: Yes, though upto some constant factor loss. So its still much better to have sybol alignment.

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17:07 <gmaxwell> I haven't dived into the work to see if I could figure it out. ... I've seen (IIRC) work from one of the other authors about folded RS codes; and I had a hard time decoding the specifics.

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18:06 <kanzure> "On Dinur's proof of the PCP theorem" http://people.csail.mit.edu/dmoshkov/courses/pcp/dinur_pcp_overview.pdf

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18:43 <kanzure> good set of slides overviewing snarks and pcp http://www.pepper-project.org/surveywishlist.pptx (note pptx file format)

18:44 <kanzure> oh there's also a video of that presentation, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4jzA6ts2j4

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18:49 <kanzure> other videos appear here http://www.pepper-project.org/talks.htm

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18:51 <gmaxwell> kanzure: that thing doesn't render worth a darn for me.

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19:09 <amiller> oh yeah, pepper project is all about succinct *interactive* proofs

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19:13 <tromp__> hi Andrew. did you find out if Ledger welcomes workshop published papers?

19:16 <amiller> tromp_, i looked up the bitcoin research workshop page and it says "Authors who seek to submit their works to journals may opt-out by publishing an extended abstract only."

19:16 <amiller> so i think being included in that proceedings disqualifies you for ledger :(

19:19 <amiller> or you could add new material, like more analysis.... the ACM says the guideline is to add 25% new material http://www.acm.org/publications/policies/sim_submissions/

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19:22 <tromp__> thx. i'll consider the extra material approach. what is the word/page limit for Ledger?

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19:30 <amiller> tromp_, the call for papers says 4000 words but tbh i'm not confident what that is in terms of pages and i'm used to it as pages

19:30 <amiller> also we haven't finished the latex template yet

19:35 <tromp__> hmm, current version is already over 5000 words. tough:(

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