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<xinming>
Is it possible to backup wallet as a "text" format instead of .dat format which is in db4.8?
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<fluffypony>
xinming: #bitcoin-dev
<jonasschnelli>
xinming: yes. walletdump RPC
<jonasschnelli>
dumpwallet sry
<luke-jr>
fluffypony: #bitcoin-dev isn't for support either. #bitcoin is.
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<fluffypony>
s'true
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<xinming>
jonasschnelli: Thanks for the answer.
<xinming>
fluffypony: Ok, I'll go #bitcoin
<xinming>
luke-jr: I'll go bitcoin
<xinming>
thanks
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<JackH>
what would happen if a miner pushes a segwit block onto the network right now? would that miner fork out of the network, or would those that have not adopted segwit be forked out? what would happen to the full nodes? which chain would they follow?
<instagibbs>
JackH, it's a softfork, meaning it's valid based on old rules. It will be treated like any other block. (with "legacy" serialization to peers of course)
<kanzure>
if you restrict your question to anyonecanspends, ask yourself that question again :)
<instagibbs>
no nodes will follow this any more or less than before
<instagibbs>
bip9 is how nodes are meant to detect the activation of softforks
<kanzure>
also, a segwit block can have no anyonecanspends
<kanzure>
so...
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<JackH>
wait that doesnt make sense
<JackH>
I get that nodes can read this as anyonecanspend
<JackH>
but what if the block is 1.1 MB
<kanzure>
it's a restriction on top of existing anyonecanspend behavior, the restriction is enforced by soft-fork
<kanzure>
JackH: anyonecanspend doesn't require witnesses, right? how would it be 1.1 MB :).
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<JackH>
yes but what if the miner pushes out a block of 1.1MB based on the segwit enabled rules
<JackH>
I assume that would push him out only
<kanzure>
it's not 1.1 MB
<JackH>
it was an example
<JackH>
1.2, 1.6, whichever size
<kanzure>
your example is wrong... it's anyonecanspend.
* JackH
goes back to reading about anyonecanspend
<instagibbs>
JackH, if you hand a node something with a new serialization it doesn't understand, they can't parse it
<kanzure>
JackH: there's no extra signature data required. your 0.1 MB is not transmitted as part of the block.
<kanzure>
the soft-fork enforces the requirement of the extra signature data
<JackH>
ok let me try to ask differently, I may be complete in the dark here
<JackH>
say we have 80% of miners signalling for the segwit proposal
<JackH>
and no more than that
<JackH>
these 80% collude and start enforcing the segwit patch
<JackH>
what happens the moment they enforce it to the rest of the nodes?
<instagibbs>
no deployed segwit node would know anything other than orphan rate shot up
<instagibbs>
if the 80% starts mass orphaning for entire retarget periods, that's a different story
<JackH>
so there wont be a chain split?
<kanzure>
JackH: orphans. giant reorgs. otherwise the non-participating miners will include non-segwit transactions that spend the anyonecanspends.
<instagibbs>
JackH, consensus can not be broken unless the miners mine an entire 2016 block retarget period, get segwit nodes to follow, then stop enforcing segwit after.
<JackH>
instagibbs, thats a completely different scenario that includes a different type of attack
<instagibbs>
I'm saying your scenario does nothing, and detailing one that actually could happen
<kanzure>
his scenario doesn't do nothing, it just makes a lot of freely available coins :)
<JackH>
hmm, I am confused now, as I thought my scenario would result in a chain split 80/20
<JackH>
(at least for the active miners/pools)
<instagibbs>
go read the bip9 spec
<instagibbs>
and how that relates to op_csv and segwit
<instagibbs>
this is kinda #bitcoin territory if we want to continue chatting
<JackH>
yeah
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