#bitcoin-wizards on 2016-12-23 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:03 <kanzure> probably something about compactly describing probability density functions

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02:45 <bsm1175321> I wouldn't trust miners to perform such a complex analysis. I think you'll generate a lot of unintended consequences...

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04:44 <kanzure> bsm1175321: presumably you would give them a tool to test out their curve and what it looks like in real terms

04:45 <kanzure> gmaxwell: bsm1175321: for example, in some of these questions the user is asked to draw a probability density function for the likelihood of certain outcomes and scenarios http://theuncertainfuture.com/

04:45 <kanzure> like "lognormal distribution with a mean and s.d. (for the log) given by your choices of mu and sigma"

04:46 <kanzure> (from the "details" page)

04:46 <kanzure> and then the user is given a gui for picking those values

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18:26 <uiuc-slack> <amiller> Here's an article about improving that hash-commitment coin flipping using SegWit https://arxiv.org/abs/1612.05390v1

18:27 <uiuc-slack> <amiller> So far all the Bitcoin solutions have required a bunch of extra collateral compared to the bet itself

18:27 <uiuc-slack> <amiller> It's a lot easier to do that in Ethereum actually without any collateral

18:28 <uiuc-slack> <amiller> I used to think it wasn't possible in Bitcoin but I figured out a way how with segwit

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21:00 <instagibbs> ^^ roasbeef

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21:39 <instagibbs> amiller_, finding the MULTIINPUT opcode a bit hard to parse, could you rephrase?

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21:57 <gmaxwell> instagibbs: 10 seconds glance suggests to me that it's a checksig that takes a list of coins (txid,vin) that it would be valid for, and checks that the coin it is spending is in the list.

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21:57 <gmaxwell> instead of directly signing for the coin that it is spending.

21:59 <gmaxwell> (presumably if the set is bigger than two entries it would be more efficient if it took a hashroot of the set, and a membership proof in the witness)

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21:59 <gmaxwell> (but I didn't read any of the paper yet, just jumped down to MULTINPUT)

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