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<Eliel> bramc: Without reading the article, I'd guess the unordered in that context might refer to the resulting tree being identical no matter in which order the leaves are inserted to it.
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<bramc> Eliel that at least would be consistent with the author's poor english. The elements of the list clearly need to be implicitly sorted
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<bramc> There are a few tricks and optimizations which have to be part of the reference implementation because they affect the semantics. I think the reference implementation shows that the complexity they add is minimal, and the implementation of proofs of inclusion and exclusion and their verification is notably simple
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<bsm117532> MichaelPVR my company is actively working on it.
<bsm117532> bramc: the "unordered" comes from using the hash of (blahblah) as the key to the Patricia trie.
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<bramc> bsm117532: That's still ordered, it's just ordered by hash :-P
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<bsm117532> bramc It's statistically unordered :-P
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<MichealPVR_> bsm117532, I'm not sure if you guys are addressing the obstacle in my scenario
<bsm117532> MichealPVR_: So explain what you're interested in?
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<MichealPVR_> In a typical scenario, one app would implement a bitid for auth purposes and the private key would be protected within the scope of that application.
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<MichealPVR_> When you introduce a network of applications, the challenge then becomes sharing the private key.
<MichealPVR_> across those applications
<MichealPVR_> The only method I can think of is to encrypt the key with a password generated by the auth server.
<MichealPVR_> and once the app is authenticated, the password allows access to the key, allowing the signature, which allows the user auth.
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