#bitcoin-wizards on 2017-04-15 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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01:30 <petertodd> kanzure: pity it's such a WIP - I'm working on my own merkle-sum-tree thing right now in rust as well and it'd be interesting to compare notes

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06:07 <Taek> https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia/pull/1703

06:07 <Taek> ^ interesting underhanded pull request on our repo (self-announced as underhanded)

06:08 <Taek> It looks like it's utilizing scoping. The function is called with variable 'p', and then a for loop declares another 'p' which - typically - shadows the first 'p;

06:09 <Taek> but actually, the 'p' in the loop is a unicode 'p', and therefore read by the compiler as a completely separate variable

06:09 <Taek> the programmer can switch between them at will and the reviewer is unlikely to notice

06:27 <gmaxwell> Taek: can't have that in pedantic C code, as variable names have to be 7-bit ascii.

06:28 <Taek> that's correct, it's unique to compilers that accept unicode source code (golang specification requires this)

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10:24 <zaus> can PoW be employed to solve byzantine agreement?

10:25 <zaus> I remember amiller's paper on "Pseudonymous Broadcast and Secure Computation from Cryptographic Puzzles"

10:26 <zaus> although I think that still used to bootstrap some keys, that run - anyway - a standard byzantine agreement

10:26 <zaus> I wonder instead if one could come up with a byzantine agreement

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10:37 <amiller> this related paper also appeared at Crypto: https://eprint.iacr.org/2014/796

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11:49 <kanzure> .title

11:49 <yoleaux> Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/796

11:49 <kanzure> grr.

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14:27 <petertodd> Taek: sheesh... languages really should have a way to forbid non-ascii identifiers (or preferably, forbid by default)

14:29 <petertodd> Taek: heck, a good default would be non-ascii identifiers are forbidden in everything but comments

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14:32 <petertodd> Taek: crazy, go allows _any_ utf8 identifier, even stuff like symbols: https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Unicode_variable_names#Go

14:33 <petertodd> Taek: and it's not canonicalized in any way: https://golang.org/ref/spec#Source_code_representation :/

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14:35 <emucode> petertodd: but it's the new cool age, do not discriminate

14:36 <emucode> petertodd: you can have two functions that look identical but have different unicode representation and e.g. do opposing things?

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15:00 <bsm1175321> I've always wanted a language that me be more expressive with variables and operators, the way we are in mathematics. But this is double plus ungood...

15:01 <bsm1175321> This is reason enough not to use go entirely...

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