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<yoleaux> chief medical officer of Intel on digital biology: "The human genome is full of potential exploits." #defcon https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGAYZyNVYAAbkVN.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGAYZyMVwAEP12F.jpg (@bcrypt)
<yoleaux> "code signing to authenticate genome updates? what could possibly go wrong with having an x509 parser in your DNA" (@bcrypt, in reply to tw:891751001459310592)
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<yoleaux> @bcrypt Human biology is highly vulnerable, so we should make synthetic genomes and refactor the problems: https://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/hgp-write/2016-05-10/ultra-safe-cell-line/ (@kanzure, in reply to tw:891739574669459456)
<yoleaux> @bcrypt here is a proposal for DNA-manipulating proteins for error correction codes: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/enzymaticsynthesis/WvDidIldm7c/q7aQTnmkAAAJ not quite ECDSA enzymes yet. (@kanzure, in reply to tw:891752069811511296)
<kanzure> okay that is all.
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<betawaffle> kanzure: terrifying
<kanzure> could you clarify whether you have any skill in cryptography, mathematics, or software or related?
<betawaffle> software and a bit of cryptography
<betawaffle> cryptography is just kind of a hobby of mine, no formal training
* betawaffle is ready to be database'd
<Emcy_> i like bcrypt
<Emcy_> she cool
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<yoleaux> [ots-dev] Should we drop the distinction between calendars and aggregators?
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<betawaffle> i've got a bitcoin script idea, and i'd like to know what's wrong with it, or if someone already had this idea:
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<betawaffle> is it possible (or is it a bad idea) to have a piece of script executed when A tries to send to B, where B is the one providing the script?
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<betawaffle> ie. let's say i only want you to send to my address before block X, after that, the spend is invalid
<betawaffle> imagine a merchant who generates a transient address for a specific payment, but doesn't want to receive anything extra after that 1 day window
<betawaffle> so they can safely forget the private key involved and not need to deal with refunding mistaken sends to them
<betawaffle> the somewhat obvious problem i think i can see with this is that the address would need to be long, correct?
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<andytoshi> no. this is not reorg-safe. you cannot do anything that causes previously valid transactions to become invalid, absent double-spends. also there is no need whatsoever for script to be involved with this, you can just as easily put a timestamp in the address and have clients understand it (or better, just use a payment protocol and forget about addresses or reuse)
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<betawaffle> andytoshi: thanks, that answers my question!
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<cluelessperson> I was wondering. Are there any detailed network presentations on the pros/cons of both on chain scaling, and off chain scaling?
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<cluelessperson> thank you.
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<JackH> amazing writeup and collection of info
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<betawaffle> yeah, i *really* loved that presentation
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<kanzure> "Concurrency and privacy with payment channel networks" https://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/pmorenos/public/paychannels.pdf
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<kanzure> "Blockchain consensus protocols in the wild" https://arxiv.org/abs/1707.01873 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1707.01873
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<kanzure> an analysis of ripple- "a user base of around 50,000 wallets prone to disruption by as few as 10 highly connected wallets" https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.02358
<kanzure> "Quantum resource estimates for computing elliptic curve discrete logarithms" https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.06752 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.06752.pdf
<kanzure> "Using sphinx to improve onion routing circuit construction" https://eprint.iacr.org/2009/628 https://eprint.iacr.org/2009/628.pdf (2009)
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