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<someone235_>
Hi, someone knows if there's any legit use of the alt stack in bitcoin script?
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<real_or_random>
shameless plug: for those of you who are writing research papers, please consider submitting to the Security & Privacy on the Blockchain Workshop. Deadline is March 5, 2020, see https://ieeesb.org
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<kanzure>
real_or_random: will the publications be publicly available by the workshop date?
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<real_or_random>
kanzure: that depends. authors can choose to publish their papers in the proeedings (IEEE), or opt-out of publication entirely. if they want to publish in the proceedings, and they want their papers to be available publicly and free of charge, it's a clever idea to upload the preprint to arxiv before they submit. then the IEEE guidelines will allow to update the arxiv version with the accepted version
<real_or_random>
I know academia is broken but I'm not the one who will fix it
<kanzure>
hrm okay. was trying to mark my calendar for when to go read things.
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<Unknown_>
Hi there
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<andytoshi>
someone235_: we use it in miniscript to move temporary values out of the way
<andytoshi>
someone235_: sometimes we want to run a bunch of script fragments in a row, but if we left the fragments' results on the stack, they'd interfere with each other
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<andytoshi>
so we run one fragment, move its result to the altstack, run the next fragment, pop from the altstack, combine the results in whatever way we want (booland, boolor, add, etc), then push to the altstack again for the next fragment
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<instagibbs>
andytoshi, might be useful for stackexchange results to reflect the Actual Usage because it sounded like it's not used anywhere
<someone235_>
andytoshi, Do you know if there's a good way to do it without it? I'm developing an alt and want to know if it should be included
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<andytoshi>
someone235_: if you're going to deviate from bitcoin script you should throw it out entirely
<andytoshi>
instagibbs: heh yeah, good idea
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<pinheadmz>
andytoshi: why throw it out if its useful?
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<sipa>
pinheadmz: i think andytoshi means replace it entirely with something more sane
<pinheadmz>
a more sane way to store values off the main stack? like named variables or something?
<sipa>
i would not pick an imperative stack based language at all
<pinheadmz>
ohhhh replace it ENTIRELY ok
<sipa>
more something like miniscript's policy language