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<Noxz> Any info on the offiice/shutter/window for a MBE/knudsen cell
<Noxz> beyond material, I am looking more for a pic, havent found one yet
<Noxz> ran by a stepper
<Noxz> fairly crude, but likely effective
<Noxz> a diaphargm shutter was more of what I had imagined, btu that's a bit of moving parts
<Noxz> though, the article that got me into MEMS in the first place, in a Scientific American, was about distributed compliance with silicon parts, and they showed an iris
<Noxz> relatively simple design
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<Noxz> I could be slightly concerned that the iris shutter would still hev a tiny hole in the end, which would contribute to contams
<Noxz> maybe one of the leafs is more oblong that does a final close off
<sync_> you just need something to block the view of the substrate to the source
<Noxz> right..
<Noxz> neat, AlN can be microwave sintered, as can MgO
<Noxz> hrm, a 3nm layer of LiF on Al lowers the work function from 4.2eV down to 2.5eV
<Noxz> which is just under 500nm wavelength, or a green in visible spectrum
<Noxz> LiF easily made from LiOH and HF(aq) and water has low solubility for it, so it prcpts out
<Noxz> LiF is also microwavable as well as an additive for MgO and such for more transparent sinters
<pie__> so i was thinking, sure you can SEM litho, but is there enough current for it to not be rediculously slow_
<Noxz> what production speed do you want?
<Noxz> you can do low resoltuion SEM scans at like 60hz or something, iirc
<Noxz> 30
<Noxz> TVs do that
<pie__> right but thats just for imaging
<Noxz> old CRTs
<Noxz> I have seen vids of fairly quick low res stuff
<pie__> (idk what kind of current is needed for litho)
<pie__> ok
<Noxz> but if you nee dhigh res, yeah, it may take a while
<pie__> if it works it works
<Noxz> yeah, I havent really looked into it too much at all
<Noxz> I know PMMA works with e-bram though
<Noxz> that's about it
<Noxz> also, I wonder how 'straight'/vertical the exposure is from a SEM
<Noxz> becomes diagonal when out of the center line
<Noxz> doesnt matter for thin PR, but if you are doing electroforming it may matter
<pie__> hm
<pie__> yeah for some reason i just figured the sample gets steppered
<pie__> am i the dumbs? :P
<Noxz> steppered?
<pie__> on that note that doesnt make sense does it
<pie__> (i had a course on imaging, forgot what it was called, but had to stop half way for family reasons0
<pie__> Noxz, having the sample platform moved with a stepper below the beam
<pie__> or rather having the beam moved
<Noxz> right, that's how I will initially do it
<Noxz> with piezo stages
<pie__> but thats like just totally dumb intuition
<Noxz> (vs steppers and micro ball-screw linear movement)
<pie__> because whats the point of all the EM lenses? :P
<Noxz> I was also told to move the stage, not the laser
<Noxz> some people even said dont turn the laser off if you dont need to
<pie__> hm right
<Noxz> like, use another actuaator to move a mirror to reflect the light away
<pie__> i guess i kinda mixed that up with the oother studd
<pie__> stuff]
<Noxz> for on/off
<pie__> laser?
<Noxz> the point of the em lesne/deflector is to get to a certain position, but stages will get your sample at least centered
<Noxz> yeah, on/off of the laser via a mirror
<Noxz> kinda mixed up two things there
<Noxz> uv laser + piezo stages at the very start, if I need to, but piezo stages to move around
<pie__> no i mean where is a laser in this
<Noxz> SEM could do exposure eventually
<Noxz> UV Laser used for SU-8 photoresist
<Noxz> is where I was hung up on
<pie__> oh you mean you mixed up the SEM with some other thing?
<Noxz> and the idea of needing to make a photodiode or similar for the SEM
<Noxz> yeah
<Noxz> they are kinda merged though
<pie__> photodiode for sem?
<pie__> wat
<Noxz> like, UV Laser can also be used to cure a PR
<pie__> well ok but ut doenst work like a SEM..
<Noxz> yeah.. so I am interested in using a photodiode + laser to make electrons fly off
<Noxz> vs a tungsten wire tht is heated
<pie__> oh jut for the e source?
<Noxz> Yeah, electron gun
<Noxz> that's what I have been researching fo rthe past week
<Noxz> more or less
<Noxz> so, I was looking at an Aluminum Nitride photodiode, for UV
<pie__> why would this be better then what you have right now?
<Noxz> since UV has more energy, which means more eV to spin off e-
<pie__> doesnt need replacing?
<pie__> oh
<Noxz> I dont have anything right now
<Noxz> this is all on paper
<pie__> i thought youhave a tungsten source
<Noxz> I am about to buy a terbomolecular pump though
<pie__> and a SEM
<pie__> was tha tsomeone else
<Noxz> no, that's whats his name
<pie__> oh.
<Noxz> sync_ ?
<pie__> who was the guy with the shed
<Noxz> I sorta wanted a shed
<Noxz> for the lab
<Noxz> but will be too small
<pie__> ok well i was 100% sure you had a sem
<Noxz> so, I will use bedrooms isntead
<Noxz> no, I am designing one, basically
<Noxz> SEM and then a mass spec
<pie__> turbooopooomp
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<sync_> Wat?
<nmz787> for high-aspect ratio you can do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIGA
<nmz787> I am a person with the SEM and FIB and a shed
<Noxz> doh, that's who
<Noxz> for how few people chat in here you'd think that we would learn who is who
<pie__> i thoght there was only one shed person :x
<pie__> well now we know
<pie__> anyone going to 34c3?
<Noxz> well, there will be no shed here
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<bofh_> pie__: those things are LOUD
<pie__> bofh_, ?
<pie__> oh the poomp? :D
<pie__> id have expected them to be relatively quiet, but i wouldnt know
<Noxz> I read turbos are fairly quiet
<Noxz> no friction
<pie__> thats if you get a fancy one probably :D
<bofh_> no friction but 90000rpm motors ain't quiet. OTOH, it's not too loud to still work next to so.
<pie__> yeah u gon get all dat high freq even if its balanced eh?
<bofh_> yeah. like it is concentrated higher in the audio band for what it's worth.