<kevina>
(basically I am not liking the "tar like" behavior model)
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: ^
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<whyrusleeping>
kevina: responded
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: responded
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: we have a problem. Basically what you are trying to propose is to use "-w" by default now. This is the exact opposite of what I was trying to do with #3258.
<whyrusleeping>
I think an argument could be made both ways, but jbenet and I discussed this and decided that having 'one add per pin' makes the most sense
<whyrusleeping>
its consistent, and simple
<whyrusleeping>
if you want to add and pin two directories separately, make two calls
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: add calls are really expensive when adding lots of files
<whyrusleeping>
no, not really
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: I know because I tried
<whyrusleeping>
'ipfs add X Y' and 'ipfs add X && ipfs add Y' should be roughly the same speed
<whyrusleeping>
the issue right now is that pinning is slow
<kevina>
they are not, and it is not related to pinning at all.
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: basically it sounds like a decision has been made and this is a done deal
<whyrusleeping>
i see no reason why those two should have different performance characteristics
<whyrusleeping>
if there is such a discrepancy, thats a bug
<whyrusleeping>
and we should address that as such
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: trust me they do
<whyrusleeping>
as opposed to using that to force our decisions and make other apis more difficult
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: and what about add "-q"?
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, that presents an interesting problem
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: I think this needs more careful thought.
<whyrusleeping>
the output doesnt necessarily have to always have the directory hashes
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: but you seam to think this a done deal
<whyrusleeping>
for the most part, yeah.
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: I would like others input before we make a decision like that
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: but I am not in charge
<whyrusleeping>
We want to mimic the behaviour of tar as much as we can in this
<whyrusleeping>
sure, make an issue and lets describe each of the usecases
<whyrusleeping>
and expected behaviours
<whyrusleeping>
we can weigh on the tradeoffs there
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: thank you, I hope I was not coming across as aggressive
<whyrusleeping>
nah, itsall good :)
<whyrusleeping>
you gotta fight for these sorts of things, its appreciated
<kevina>
thanks.
<kevina>
I will create an issue and I will also post some performance stats on adding files individually
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<kevina>
this entire thing came about because adding files one at a time was so slow.
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<kevina>
as that is how I handle adding files for the filestore and keeping a directory in sync
<lgierth>
rht had this great add benchmark script
<lgierth>
which compared to git, tar, zip, etc.
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<lgierth>
would be really cool to get a hand on that script and add ipfs variants for the different stores
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<kevina>
lgierth: what we are comparing is the cost of adding a files one command at time to the cost of adding multiple files in the same command
<kevina>
lgierth: I don't think that is what you had in mind, apologies if I was mistaken.
<whyrusleeping>
kevina: making 'adding files one at a time' faster is one of our big goals this quarter
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: the difference is *huge* at least an order of magnitude.
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<whyrusleeping>
yeap, we're going to investigate that
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<lgierth>
kevina: yeah that would be part of the benchmark suite too -- measure different ways of adding files, on different tools (variants of ipfs, and things like zip, tar, git)
<lgierth>
then aim for getting really good in each graph
<lgierth>
then profit
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* achin
is about to OD on egg nog and extra halloween candy
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: if we go your way with "tar like" behavior are you against a different command that _just_ adds (and pins, but only to prevent GC) files?
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: and this new command can add multiple files at a time, but never directories
<kevina>
that is what I need for the filestore for now
<whyrusleeping>
kevina: hrm... why?
<whyrusleeping>
i'm not sure what the usecase there is
<kevina>
I didn't spell out the issues yet but I will let you go first.
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: ^
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<whyrusleeping>
kevina: on it
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<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: i like your cli proposal for add
<lgierth>
or example or whatever
<lgierth>
i like it
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: thanks :)
<whyrusleeping>
its my compromise
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: our messages crossed :)
<kevina>
I think.
<whyrusleeping>
kevina: cool cool, think that should work out?
<whyrusleeping>
any other questions i can answer while i'm in the mindset?
<lgierth>
typing `reboot` in the wrong terminal: priceless
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: 👌
<kevina>
lgierth: a very good reason for sudo with a password :)
<lgierth>
nevermind, just rebooted my computer instead of that vps
<lgierth>
mh no, somehow i didn't need sudo
<kevina>
ouch :(
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: do you still have the code that passed the IsRoot() through the API?
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: is there anything tricky about it that I should know about?
<whyrusleeping>
uhm...i dont have that code
<whyrusleeping>
but the tricky part is injecting the IsRoot code into the http multipart headers
<kevina>
I don't think I will be able to start this tonight, any quick hints?
<kevina>
Otherwise I will work on passing it though and let you know if I get stuck :)
<whyrusleeping>
i can do it too if you want
<whyrusleeping>
passing it through will be in commands/files/multipart
<whyrusleeping>
i think
<kevina>
looking...
<kevina>
I don't see the code to add http headers
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: okay so offhand I am not really sure what to do commands/http/parse.go looks related
* whyrusleeping
would have to go look
<whyrusleeping>
there are two different places that deal with multipart files
<whyrusleeping>
commands/files/mutlipartfile.go is one
<whyrusleeping>
and commands/http/multifilereader.go is another
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* kevina
looking
<kevina>
so add a new header using header.Set?
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: ^
<whyrusleeping>
yeah
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: thanks, I think I can handle figure out the rest.
<whyrusleeping>
cool, gonna go play my guitar and install graphics cards then :)
<kevina>
have fun :)
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<vtomole>
Does "ipfs diag net" give every single node in the network or only the nodes that you are connected to?
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<haad>
good morning o/
<daviddias>
wooooo haad is back \o/ :D
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<geoah>
morninnn all :)
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire let's have that async crypto merged pleaaaase :)
<geoah>
haad I wanted to ask you something in regards with orbit-* -- if I understand correctly, each user in orbit has their own fork/branch of a database and publishes their `next` array to the pubsub topic and others are expected to merge them to get the whole chain of events -- is this correct or am I missing something? :D
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<haad>
geoah: spot on :) that is exactly how it works.
<haad>
geoah: re. the 'next' array, it's the last 10 entries that each peer publishes atm. I'm planning on changing that to be 1 and instead of sending the (IPFS)hash to the pubsub, send the actual entries (for improved performance)
<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/QmQgRCmDMVcbP42bVDgWRZbZnNHRRGSKmmjuU35oKEC7D1
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<hsanjuan>
I'm having lots of trouble getting to run the go-libp2p examples
<hsanjuan>
there's a serious dependency mess, master branches are uncompatible, some gx deps have been lost
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<kegsay>
doing some cleanup of this channel on the matrix-side, apologies for the spam
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<kegsay>
cleanup completed - the kicked users hadn't been seen contacting any matrix endpoint for >2 months, they can still rejoin if they turn up at some point. Thanks for your patience.
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<geoah>
haad +1 for the entries instead of the hash -- what's the pubsub limit atm? -- I was also wondering why not append other peoples' messages on the `next`s you send? -- it might be a bit overkill at some times but it would allow you to get stuff you are missing, it would also allow you to get channel history for when users have left or simply have not sent a message since you joined
<haad>
geoah: not sure what the pubsub limit is. re. joining the nexts: they get joined on 'add' in a way that if you have entries a1<-a2 and b1<-b2, a3 will point to [a2,b2], a4 to a3, etc.
<haad>
geoah: that is what makes it fully forkable/joinable
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<geoah>
haad sorry I didn't mean to merge them in the same fork -- just send multiple forks in the same publication
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<geoah>
I can send the hashes of the last 5-10 forks I have for example
<geoah>
right now if I understand correctly each user uploads their own up-to-date fork to ipfs and publishes its hash
<haad>
geoah: "send" only happen when you add a new entry to the log, and at that time the forks get joined locally as per ^
<geoah>
yy -- I'm just wondering if when you send your updated log, if you could include the last hashes your have from other users as well
<geoah>
but it might make things messy
<geoah>
especially with many users.
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<haad>
geoah: that's what I'm trying to say :) the last hashes from the other users will be merged to your log and as such get sent. so in the example above, A's log becomes [a1,a2,b1,b2,a3,a4] and a3 points to both a2 and b2, ie. the "known heads"
<haad>
otherwise we'd be sending around log-per-user and that doesn't really work for the history traversal
<geoah>
awhhh, yeah haad I apologise I probably missunderstood something! :D -- this is great
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<haad>
geoah: don't apologise :) if you misunderstood, it means we need to improve our docs :)
<haad>
geoah: thanks for looking into it and wrapping your head around it.
<haad>
geoah: you mentioned earlier that you'll have some questions re. the "access control" per logs, did you mean that you'd need something like "only A can add entries to log A"?
<haad>
*per log
<kegsay>
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<geoah>
haad yeah something like that, I'm trying to solve something stupid -- trying to find a way to share event-sourced objects with specific peers -- but I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to do it using a common log/graph for each peer-peer relation -- cause I fear that doing it on a per-object basis will result in objects being out of sync
<haad>
geoah: not sure what that means but sounds cool :) on the 'access control per log', we don't have it currently but it's something I've been thinking about a lot. a solution I'm probably going to try is to use pre-shared keys so that if I have a log with key ABC, only entries signed with that key will be merged to the log. that would give us a way to limit the access per user, so for example we could have a "twitter feed" per user(==key). this doesn't prevent spa
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<kegsay>
A bunch of users will rejoin this channel, apologies for the spam.
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<Qwertie>
kegsay: Some issues with the bridge?
<kegsay>
yeah, we tried swapping over to TLS on connections and it looks like there are some serious problems with it still :(
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: multihashin-async and libp2p-crypto are green
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<dignifiedquire>
hmmm I screwed it up though, ah well
<dignifiedquire>
it's not the the pure commit anymore
<dignifiedquire>
but no matter lets ship this, in the future I realy need to write better commits on these long runnign branches so that this is easier
<polezaivsani>
go-ipfs/mfs/system.go says in package doc comment that it's made out of 4 things, one being Filesystem - - it's a remnant of previous versions, right?
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: gotta run, can you take care of merging and releasing libp2p-crypto please?
<dignifiedquire>
thank you <3
<dignifiedquire>
also 🎉 we are finally shipping things
<dignifiedquire>
the end is near
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: no problem :)
<daviddias>
but I can really release once all PR are merged
<daviddias>
otherwise every npm install will fail
<daviddias>
cause minor versions
<dignifiedquire>
but I can't get ci green without releases
<daviddias>
right, but every PR should be at least on RFM state
<geemili>
I can't seem to access the file I added by the public gateway. Do I just need to wait longer, or is there something else I can do?
<geemili>
The hash is QmSJFZFGvKJg3QaDfUHpLnVYZwjcZEmvfvnsP7ajdapzMH
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<geemili>
Oh, it worked!
<geemili>
Guess I just had to wait
<geoah>
can access it via ipfs get so the gateway will be able too
<geoah>
^ that :)
<geoah>
heh
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<whyrusleeping>
goooood morning ipfstronauts
<geoah>
mornin whyrusleeping :)
<whyrusleeping>
geoah: hey! hows it goin?
<geoah>
the usual stuff -- coffee and hating golang vendoring.
<whyrusleeping>
heh
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<whyrusleeping>
i feel like i've transcended go vendoring
<whyrusleeping>
i neither vendor my code nor let it sway with the winds of change
<whyrusleeping>
i simply import what i import
<whyrusleeping>
and that is what i import
<whyrusleeping>
:D
<geoah>
still don't get why go-devs don't want `go test ./...` to exclude `vendor` folder.
* whyrusleeping
shrugs
<Kubuxu>
really?
<Kubuxu>
that is interesting
<geoah>
Kubuxu if you are talking about excluding tests, yeah -- unfortunately that's the current reality -- googling `"go test" vendor` will yield VERY interesting reading material :P
<geoah>
whyrusleeping I hope the rest of us will reach gx-style enlightenment at some point too :P
<Kubuxu>
our dependencies include about 600k LOC and 300k Lines of tests
<Kubuxu>
that could be a journey
<geoah>
Kubuxu the suggested "solution" in golang threads seems to be to use `grep` :P
<geoah>
which I refuse.
<geoah>
awh there is one more -- the tools that handle vendoring to 1. remove tests or... 2. add a // tag +vendortest
<Kubuxu>
the second one isn't that bbad
<geoah>
both of them mean that you can't checksum the code any more :/
<Kubuxu>
you can't either way as you have to rewrite path iirc
<geoah>
Kubuxu you don't any more -- that's the beauty of ./vendor/
<geoah>
the `go` tooling will first check that folder and then your GOPATH
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<whyrusleeping>
be one with the checksum
<whyrusleeping>
i'm going to give a talk sometime titled "so you want to write a package manager..."
<whyrusleeping>
and hopefully avoid talking about gx
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<M-hash>
You've seen a blagopost called that before, yis?
<M-hash>
I think someone who worked on glide wrote something of that title and it was p good
<whyrusleeping>
Yeah, i might riff off of it
<vasild>
Trying to stat a nonexistent object via the API hangs. For example, on the command line: "ipfs-go object stat QmdfTbBqBPQ7VNxZEYEj14VmRuZBkqFbiwReogJgS1zR1N" (where that multihash is nonexistent). Same via the JS API ipfs.object.stat(). The http server never sends anything back. Is this expected?
<whyrusleeping>
or pick a new title
<whyrusleeping>
vasild: you don't *know* its nonexistant
<whyrusleeping>
somebody somewhere might have that
<vasild>
right
<whyrusleeping>
so yeah, expected behaviour
<whyrusleeping>
you can set a timeout though
<vasild>
are you saying that it just takes too long?
<vasild>
but I waited maybe 10 minutes
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<vasild>
I can't find anything timeout related in "ipfs-go config show" or in "ipfs-go daemon --help" or in "ipfs-go object stat --help"
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<A124>
lidel Sorry to bother, does the addon made with Firefox SDK run in Chrome?
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<A124>
Specificaly, I'm looking at request/notification/url not getting where the package comes from dirctly or how would one browserify if one would like to develop vanilla.
<lidel>
A124, current state of Firefox add-ons is ridiculously complex: there was XUL-based SDK, then they've built javascript-based SDK on top of that (low and high level ones) and last year Mozilla announced all this mess will be deprecated and replaced with WebExtensions, a new SDK and APIs that are modelled after extensions in Google Chrome
<lidel>
WebExtension (in theory) should require very little effort to be borted to Chrome or MS Edge
<lidel>
but the truth is that it will be possible only for simple add-ons
<A124>
Well, yes, webextensions is what I am talking about.
<lidel>
Mozilla announced they will provide additional APIs that are not present in Chrome, so my feeling is that it will be easy to port from Chrome to Firefox, but more tricky to port from Firefox to Chrome, as Chrome will miss some of new APIs
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<lidel>
... and that is future. right now WebExtensions support only a subset of Chrome APIs :-P
<A124>
I'm looking at hacking around the ipfs extension and to writing some of my own for other stuff. Would like them to be compatible, therefore not require the sdk/ and a buildprocess, apart from zipping files. I'm not friend with tools, mainly because there are so many and I got to learn from documentation and public materials and that takes time given the broad range of things I am doing. Which I [...]
<A124>
[...] am trying to cut donw.
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<lidel>
Hm.. you can take a look at IPFS libs at npm
<A124>
whyrusleeping Since you are here, is the issue about rotational disks clear?
<Kubuxu>
web+fs can be installed in browser from a webpage as a handler and rewritten to some gateway
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<A124>
Oh, yeah %s, that is what I am considering among other. And other resources might check latency or other params of the handler whether to use that or pick a new one.
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<lgierth>
dignifiedquire: i was wondering, when you do these package updates, e.g. for aegir, do you have that automated?
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<ShawkHawk[m]>
hey all, i can't figure out how to get my js-ipfs node to connect to the rest of the world
<ShawkHawk[m]>
my local go-ipfs node run from the command line connects fine
<ShawkHawk[m]>
but when i instantiate a js-ipfs node, i cant find any peers
<lgierth>
ShawkHawk[m]: you need to run js-libp2p-webrtc-star and use that as a bootstrap node
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<ShawkHawk[m]>
lgierth: what/where is the signaling server in that case?
<ShawkHawk[m]>
can i connect to the go-ipfs node I may already have running locally?
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<lgierth>
yeah actually we have websockets in go-ipfs somewhere. whyrusleeping: that's in master right?
<lgierth>
he asked me to enable it on the default bootstrappers weeks ago and i forgot
<lgierth>
ShawkHawk[m]: so, you can run your own webrtc-star bootstrapper, or bind your go-ipfs swarm to /ip4/127.0.0.1/tcp/80/ws and use websockets as the transport
<lgierth>
i'm not sure what the apis for that are, i'm dumb when it comes to javascript
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<ShawkHawk[m]>
so i pass websocket messages back and forth between go-ipfs running locally and js-ipfs in the browser?
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<ShawkHawk[m]>
i'm pretty new to this depth of networking so i'm sorting it out slowly
<ShawkHawk[m]>
the ipfs command line app was so straight forward i thought it would be as simple as "go online" "add files" "get them"
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<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: correct
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<lgierth>
ShawkHawk[m]: i'm not sure what the apis for that are, i'm dumb when it comes to javascript. it's definitely not as far as go-ipfs yet, but catching up fast
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: now is the time
<whyrusleeping>
now is the time?
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: oh wait i actually need to add nginx configs for that.
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: how to test /ws?
<whyrusleeping>
just add a swarm addr with /ws at the end
<whyrusleeping>
then you can manually connect a node to that address
<whyrusleeping>
and check ipfs swarm peers to ensure youre using websockets
<lgierth>
ah right, i can just use go-ipfs to connect to that
<lgierth>
cool
<ShawkHawk[m]>
i'm digging into libp2p as well. my understanding is that you are a node, and you can either create or dial into swarms.
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<ShawkHawk[m]>
i'm assuming that my go-ipfs node is part of a swarm created by a bootstrap peer?
<ShawkHawk[m]>
and that i could use the js-ipfs node to connect to the same swarm my go-ipfs node is in?
<Akaibu>
yo whyrusleeping, is there any thought on a blacklist of "illegal" hashes? basicly virus .exe's, cp, ect? there would have to be either a report system or something...
<lgierth>
Akaibu: yes there's going to be public blocklists
<lgierth>
also for copyright infringement
<Akaibu>
wat
<Akaibu>
i don't think the devs should have to worry about that lgierth
<i[m]>
The problem with most hashes is that I can change a bit and get a new hash.
<Akaibu>
tue
<Akaibu>
true*
<i[m]>
So it's pointless to keep track of hashes for the sake of banning content.
<i[m]>
Banning content is ultimately a futile endeavor.
<Akaibu>
maybe, but its better than just letting it roam free
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<Akaibu>
a simple system can sometimes stop 90% of the problems
<whyrusleeping>
Akaibu: its not the devs worrying about it
<whyrusleeping>
its our infrastructure team
<whyrusleeping>
we have to maintain blocklists for the ipfs.io gateways
<Akaibu>
oh! so its not baked into the main program, great!
<whyrusleeping>
yeap
<i[m]>
whyrusleeping: Is it possible to use gateways that are not under the infrastructure teams control?
<whyrusleeping>
i[m]: of course
<Akaibu>
^
<whyrusleeping>
you can host one yourself
<i[m]>
Wonderful, you rock!
<i[m]>
I have no further concerns about content then :)
<Akaibu>
ipfs.pics i think is a gateway iirc
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, baking that into the code itself is very against my convictions
<whyrusleeping>
we will definitely make it easy for you to follow any blocklist you choose
<whyrusleeping>
but ultimately, that choice is yours
<i[m]>
That's great, some of the best news I've heard all month.
<i[m]>
I can appreciate why people would want curated blocklists.
<Akaibu>
yea, it would basicly be adblock, >on a interplanetary scale
<Akaibu>
not perfect, but still helpful
<Akaibu>
whyrusleeping: have you guys gotten contacted by archive.org or contact them about using ipfs for the internet archive? or are they waiting for ipfs to be more mature?
<whyrusleeping>
Akaibu: yeah, we've chatted rather frequently with them
<whyrusleeping>
i was just there last week for the 20th anniversary :)
<Akaibu>
nice
<whyrusleeping>
they are very interested in using ipfs for archives
<whyrusleeping>
we just need to be able to hit their scale easily
<whyrusleeping>
and they are also interested in the filestore feature
<whyrusleeping>
A124: issue about rotational disks?
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<i[m]>
I really want to build crates.io ontop of ipfs
<whyrusleeping>
i[m]: i would love to see that happen
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