#ipfs on 2016-11-30 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:07 <fleeky__> trying to install ipfs on freebsd 11 with go 1.7.11 , and i get this ? http://pastebin.com/j2RtUmN6

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00:11 <deltab> fleeky__: what version of make are you using?

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00:13 <deltab> fleeky__: try using GNU Make

00:14 <fleeky__> deltab: sorry was having trouble determining which version of make is installed hah

00:15 <deltab> if it's gnu make, make --version will tell you

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00:16 <deltab> but I expect you're using Berkeley make, which has some differences

00:16 <fleeky__> ahh

00:17 <fleeky__> ill find out how to install gnumake on freebsd i suppose

00:17 <deltab> ( https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/developers-handbook/tools-make.html )

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00:17 <deltab> you may already have it installed: try gmake --version

00:19 <fleeky__> annndd its compiling , thank you

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00:24 <fleeky__> hrm : http://pastebin.com/mur3WFGb

00:24 <fleeky__> so it compiled but didnt

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00:31 <kpcyrd> can somebody please pin /ipfs/QmZzQDki6px3Li7fDxXAqUbVA8zyu44vo9RRgsYXffvHfP ?

00:32 <whyrusleeping> kpcyrd: what is it?

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00:33 <whyrusleeping> like, i see that its butter

00:33 <whyrusleeping> but why?

00:33 <kpcyrd> whyrusleeping: https://github.com/kpcyrd/not-butter

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00:33 <whyrusleeping> okay pinned it

00:34 <kpcyrd> whyrusleeping: thank you

00:37 <fleeky_> deltab: any idea about that compile error? http://pastebin.com/mur3WFGb

00:37 <whyrusleeping> kpcyrd: your not butter is on my home server and on mars

00:38 <whyrusleeping> may the dag be with you

00:38 <kvda> whyrusleeping about to send my resume through for the web eng role

00:38 <kvda> hope it's still open :)

00:44 <whyrusleeping> pretty much always :)

00:45 <kvda> yay

00:45 <kvda> who's the main "HR" person?

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00:59 <ploop> is adding files to ipfs without duplicating on disk slated for a particular version release yet?

01:00 <whyrusleeping> ploop: not yet, but likely 0.4.6

01:03 <ploop> neat

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01:37 <deltab> fleeky_: hmm, it's a difference between the linux and freebsd versions of go

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01:39 <deltab> https://go.googlesource.com/go/+/master/src/syscall/ztypes_linux_amd64.go#94 vs. https://go.googlesource.com/go/+/master/src/syscall/ztypes_freebsd_amd64.go#52

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01:42 <deltab> fleeky_: try changing uint64 to int64 in line 12

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02:02 <appa> Is there a preferred or recommend Python module for ipfs?

02:03 <deltab> there's an api client: https://github.com/ipfs/python-ipfs-api

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02:04 <deltab> that allows python to talk to the daemon written in go

02:06 <deltab> there's some work being done on an ipfs implementation in python, but I don't think it's usable for much at the moment

02:07 <deltab> it's waiting for the go and js implementations to stabilize, aiui

02:10 <appa> So you need a daemon running to use the Python

02:10 <deltab> as far as I know, yes

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02:33 <kevina> whyrusleeping: what would be some good parameters for https://github.com/jbenet/go-random-files

02:33 <kevina> in order to create "interesting" pins

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02:54 <angersock> evening!

02:55 <angersock> how are you nice folks today?

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03:02 <whyrusleeping> pretty great

03:03 <whyrusleeping> kevina: eh, maybe like 6 dirs deep, and make each entry ~40MB?

03:03 <whyrusleeping> and then have a bunch of smaller files too?

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03:10 <angersock> could I impose on any of you folks to give me the quick pitch on ipfs?

03:15 <kevina> whyrusleeping: okay so how many entries per dir?

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06:50 <jbenet> hey whyrusleeping: remember that https://github.com/multiformats/ma-pipe has bandwidth and latency limitations -- can use that with iptb for rate limiting

06:51 <jbenet> whyrusleeping: it comes as a library, so you can import it into iptb or a custom build of go-ipfs

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07:11 <dignifiedquire> good morning interplenetary people

07:13 <Kubuxu> jbenet: we do rate and bandwidth using tc, but it could be also useful

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07:22 <jbenet> daviddias: https://github.com/ipfs/interface-ipfs-core/issues/81#issuecomment-263801720

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09:54 <dignifiedquire> richardlitt: are you around?

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10:15 <juzer> Once I run daemon in ipfs, my computer will dial to the predefined bootstrap nodes, but do I allow other computers to connect to my daemon as well?

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10:18 <Kubuxu> juzer: if we are able to punch the NAT, yes.

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10:19 <juzer> sorry, I did not understand? In the code, I am only seeing a part where it dials to the bootstrap nodes

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10:19 <ansuz> oh

10:19 <ansuz> no

10:19 <ansuz> rip matrix

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10:21 <Kubuxu> juzer: yes, it dials to bootstrap nodes but go-libp2p-swarm also opens listeners and allows other nodes to dial to us

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10:21 <juzer> Kubuxu: I am trying my hand at forking and modifying pieces of ipfs in nodejs, does that have the same option?

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10:22 <Kubuxu> probably yes but I won't be able to help you with js

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10:23 <juzer> Just tring to understand the architecture, syntax I can handle.

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10:24 <juzer> in components folder, the libp2p part has a line, which fetches all the multiaddr of the peers added to its address book and dials to them, but I cannot find any part that opens a listener once the daemon runs.

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10:27 <juzer> daviddias: ^ any tips sir?

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10:30 <daviddias> Good morning planet :)

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10:30 <daviddias> juzer: it is on swarm

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10:30 <daviddias> or, which libp2p are you checking? js or go?

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10:31 <juzer> ipfs-js

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10:31 <juzer> this is the only line I can find ' self._libp2pNode.dialByMultiaddr(maddr, callback) '. Cannot find a self._libp2pNode.handleProtocol() function

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10:32 <juzer> this is executed once the daemon is turned on from what I understood.

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10:33 <juzer> daviddias: I am checking the actual ipfs-js repo, retracing the functions that executed daemon is turned on and the swarm is setup sir.

10:33 <daviddias> libp2p.start

10:33 <daviddias> will cause swarm.start

10:33 <daviddias> which will start all the listeners

10:34 <daviddias> https://github.com/libp2p/js-libp2p-swarm

10:35 <juzer> I can find the self._libp2pNode.dialByPeerInfo(peerInfo, () => {}) line but in libp2p to receive incoming connections, *nodeListener.handle('/echo/1.0.0', (protocol, conn)* must be called as well.

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10:39 <daviddias> juzer: when this happens: https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/blob/master/src/core/components/libp2p.js#L11

10:39 <juzer> daviddias: In the link given, I am able to find all functions for dialing and hang up being used, except this swarm.handle(protocol, handlerFunc, matchFunc)

10:40 <daviddias> this happens: https://github.com/libp2p/js-libp2p/blob/master/src/index.js#L82-L116

10:40 <daviddias> which causes this to happen https://github.com/libp2p/js-libp2p-swarm/blob/master/src/index.js#L86-L91

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10:52 <daviddias> dignifiedquire: reviewing stuff, around? Would like to ask a couple of things

10:53 <dignifiedquire> daviddias: I shall answer all your questions

10:54 <daviddias> dignifiedquire: sent you a talky thing

10:54 <juzer> daviddias: Yes, thats to start the node, after which it dials to the default bootstrap nodes. But this https://github.com/libp2p/js-libp2p/blob/master/src/index.js#L241-L248 and https://github.com/libp2p/js-libp2p/blob/master/src/index.js#L145-L195

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11:24 <daviddias> haad: around?

11:25 <haad> daviddias: not really :) what's up?

11:25 <daviddias> I was actually chatting with dignifiedquire while you commented on the libp2p-crypto PR

11:26 <dignifiedquire> I was trying to test the crypto stuff in orbit, but I wasn't able to get it run

11:26 <daviddias> about testing it with electron

11:26 <daviddias> wanna join the chat and test it with us?

11:26 <haad> post it somewhere and I'll take a look, no time for chat atm

11:26 <dignifiedquire> okay

11:26 <haad> need to see what "doesn't work" means :)

11:26 <daviddias> sounds good :)

11:27 <haad> I mean, I can help you via text quickly :) just can't do a call right now

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11:38 <dignifiedquire> haad: it works, in the sense it doesn't throw anymore on npm start

11:38 <dignifiedquire> but the the electron rebuild fails still but you don't need it anymore :)

11:38 <daviddias> is this what we were looking to see? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/V66URLQe/it%20launches%20electron

11:39 <haad> sounds good. after "not failing on install" there's no guarantees it will work as I couldn't get past it. and yeah, there's no need for electron-rebuild since that was just to test the problem.

11:39 <haad> yup!

11:39 <haad> looks great! :)

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12:00 <richardlitt> dignifiedquire: Sort of, butnot for another three hours

12:00 <richardlitt> What's up?

12:01 <dignifiedquire> richardlitt: no rush :) just wanted to chat about discourse

12:01 <richardlitt> dignifiedquire: ok. I'll be online working on IPFS at 15:00

12:01 <richardlitt> Can we chat then?

12:01 <dignifiedquire> sounds good

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13:00 <mafintosh> richardlitt: dang, just realized i stole your head lamp

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13:09 <fleeky_> hey deltab , the links you provided yesterday i was a bit confused you said "line 12" but i was wondering which file you were referring to, also the second link has a link to line 52 but you asked to change from uint64 to int64 but in the link its already int64?

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13:11 <fleeky_> deltab: did you mean change from int64 to uint64 on line 52 of https://go.googlesource.com/go/+/master/src/syscall/ztypes_freebsd_amd64.go#52

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13:21 <victorbjelkholm> I like that Greenkeeper made a PR 13 hours ago to js-ipfs-api and the tests on Travis still haven't started :D

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13:35 <kenshyx> hello, I tried last js-ipfs-api :), I've noticed a change on DAGNode... it doesn't have property Hash, it's multihash now

13:36 <kenshyx> this was intended?

13:36 <kenshyx> didnt see in changelog :D

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13:50 <victorbjelkholm> kenshyx: I think the release from a week ago mentions this

13:51 <victorbjelkholm> Here: https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs-api/releases/tag/v12.0.0

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13:56 <kenshyx> thanks

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15:27 <theseb> How does ipfs' design support mobile devices better than standard internet ?

15:28 <theseb> mobility is bad for internet because you must keep killing and creating new connection to new hotspot with new ip address, etc.....how does ipfs handle that mess?

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15:31 <ruby32> has anyone made twitter with IPFS backend?

15:32 <jchevalay> do you mean create an twitter on IPFS ?

15:33 <ruby32> basically, a social network where all data is stored on IPFS instead of on a lousy central server

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15:34 <jchevalay> i think no =) it's good idea

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15:52 <mib_kd743naq> ~$ git diff --shortstat e4be1b2e..origin/master

15:52 <mib_kd743naq> 178 files changed, 1026 insertions(+), 878 deletions(-)

15:52 <mib_kd743naq> ^^ ipfs.io is getting rather far out of date :/

15:57 <victorbjelkholm> ruby32: I remember that haadcode made an experiment, called "Planet Express" or something like that, similar to Twitter

15:58 <victorbjelkholm> yup, it's over here: https://github.com/haadcode/planet-express

15:58 <victorbjelkholm> "Another demo I made at some point (the code might not run anymore) is a twitter-like feed app https://github.com/haadcode/planet-express, but it was a hack and I haven't had the time to continue."

15:58 <victorbjelkholm> from https://github.com/haadcode/orbit-db/issues/148

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16:00 <jchevalay> this prouve to possible create this and give an good idea for the implementation =)

16:00 <theseb> does ipfs' design support mobile devices somehow better than standard

16:00 <theseb> internet ?

16:00 <theseb> i'm looking for any argument

16:00 <theseb> puhlease

16:01 <jchevalay> @theseb i think you can access by an mobile an ressourc by http://ipfs.io/ipfs but i don't know if possible to run ipfs command on mobile

16:02 <theseb> jchevalay: reason i ask is that someone once said internet wasn't really designed for mobile devices (the world didn't really have much smartphones in 1970s).....so if we wanted to say...look ipfs is better for 21st century!.....I want to address how it handles our mobile world better

16:02 <theseb> jchevalay: thanks

16:03 <richardlitt> dignifiedquire: you around?

16:04 <mib_kd743naq> does the js-ipfs group have a service similar to ipfs.io/ipfs where I can test how my custom-made DAGs behave?>

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16:06 <jchevalay> mib_kd743naq when create an node with ìpfs daemon` you have an local router

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16:07 <dignifiedquire> sorry richardlitt already out :/

16:07 <jchevalay> mib_kd743naq i think you can test http://localhost:8080/ipfs/<your_hash>

16:07 <richardlitt> dignifiedquire: ahh sorry. Was on a call. Let's chat tomorrow!

16:07 <dignifiedquire> no worries, lets do that :)

16:08 <mib_kd743naq> jchevalay: I specifically need "someone elses node" so that I can check things work correctly with libp2p etc

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16:08 <mib_kd743naq> jchevalay: I already do carry out extensive tests via the go-ipfs gateway

16:08 <mib_kd743naq> I was wondering if there is a node-js-based one that I can (ab)use

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16:10 <ruby32> @haad: is this your project? https://github.com/haadcode/planet-express

16:11 <ruby32> haad: i am wondering what your insigts are into the challenges of designing such an application :)

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16:36 <richardlitt> How do we choose the function code for a multihash?

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17:02 <mib_kd743naq> richardlitt: what do you mean?

17:02 <richardlitt> For instance, sha1 is 0x11, Blake2b is 0x40. It's not clear to me where that decision comes from.

17:03 <richardlitt> Is the process for creating this that @jbenet randomly assigned numbers? Or is there a reason why Black2b is 0x40? I've been searching for around ten minutes, and I can't find a clear answer.

17:04 <mib_kd743naq> richardlitt: I think it is the former

17:05 <richardlitt> Me too, but I'm not entirely sure.

17:05 <mib_kd743naq> richardlitt: https://github.com/multiformats/multihash/blame/master/README.md#L76

17:06 <mib_kd743naq> richardlitt: https://github.com/multiformats/multihash/commits/master/hashtable.csv <--- history of things

17:06 <richardlitt> Hmm. good catch.

17:07 <mib_kd743naq> jbenet: ^^ please clarify ;)

17:08 <richardlitt> We should add a description about that process to the README; the table in multiformats/multihash should be the source of truth, and any PRs to it can be considered valid when merged by the multihash captain (basically, @jbenet).

17:08 <Kubuxu> richardlitt: blake is not yet defined

17:08 <Kubuxu> we are still discussing it

17:09 <richardlitt> I should say pseudorandomly assigned numbers. Some cachements have been clearly defined.

17:09 <Kubuxu> but it is just, yes, it is arbitrary defined number

17:09 <richardlitt> Kubuxu: Does that mean that 0x40 may not be the function code?

17:09 <Kubuxu> what do you mean

17:09 <mib_kd743naq> well "arbitrary" with a preference not to spill over 0x7f

17:10 <mib_kd743naq> you need explicit varints after that

17:10 <richardlitt> For instance, 0x14 used to refer to sha3. Now it refers to sha2-512, and we have a comment that this has changed at the bottom of the table

17:10 <richardlitt> What does the f stand for in 0x7f?

17:10 <mib_kd743naq> richardlitt: you are misreading - it's sha3-512

17:11 <Kubuxu> yup, all very frequently used, not taking more than few values functions are hoped to fit in 0x7f

17:11 <Kubuxu> it is hex

17:11 <Kubuxu> f is 15

17:11 <mib_kd743naq> richardlitt: 0x7f => 127 => 01111111

17:11 <mib_kd743naq> richardlitt: any number higher than that will take 2 bytes to encode, not 1

17:12 <richardlitt> so 0x6532 would be fine, hypothetically.

17:12 <mib_kd743naq> absolutely, it will just waste a lot of space

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17:12 <theseb> how use ipfs on a mobile device?

17:12 <Kubuxu> yes, everything up to 0xffffffffffffffff

17:12 <richardlitt> Well, assuming we have thousands of possible functions, this may not be unrealistic

17:12 <richardlitt> Thinking centuries down the line.

17:12 <theseb> (i asked earlier...this was more a hypothetical to argue how better than internet)

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17:13 <mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: even that is an arbitrary limit: we already have to support multiprecision (for base58 ) so having multiprecision varints isn't a stretch ;)

17:14 <richardlitt> theseb: you may want to ask in ipfs/faq, if you haven't had much luck finding answers here

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17:14 <mib_kd743naq> current use of base58 already dices 288 bit numbers for cidv1

17:14 <richardlitt> Ok, so this answers my original question

17:14 <theseb> richardlitt: what is ipfs/faq?

17:14 <richardlitt> theseb: https://github.com/ipfs/faq; it's a palce to ask questions.

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17:15 <richardlitt> I've been trying to understand multihash enough to answer this issue, here: https://github.com/multiformats/multihash/issues/58

17:15 <richardlitt> Which gives a list of functions. Hypothetically, we can make codes for all of those functions without changing the spec, because it's not like we're going to run out of possible function codes

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17:15 <richardlitt> But we haven't yet assigned function codes to all of those functions. If he wants to, he can make a PR suggesting that

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17:16 <richardlitt> Does my thinking sound right there, mib_kd743naq and Kubuxu?

17:16 <richardlitt> theseb: The idea is that you can ask there, and we'll get to it when we have some time. More eyes will see it, and the question is permanent

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17:16 <richardlitt> That way, you don't have to keep jumping in to ask. :)

17:16 <theseb> richardlitt: ah..ok thanks

17:17 <richardlitt> theseb: I'm sure you _can_ run IPFS on a mobile device, but I don't know the specifics enough to help you out

17:17 <richardlitt> theseb: wish I did, sorry to just redirect you on.

17:17 <richardlitt> theseb: check out this issue here; https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/68

17:17 <theseb> richardlitt: does ipfs *require* a TCP/IP connection?

17:18 <richardlitt> theseb: There are also many issues which mention "mobile": https://github.com/search?q=org%3Aipfs+mobile&ref=searchresults&type=Issues&utf8=%E2%9C%93

17:18 <theseb> richardlitt: that is what makes Internet terrible for mobile....maybe if there was someway to have a driver for ipfs that automatically reconnected when new connection was available..

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17:18 <richardlitt> theseb: as far as I know, IPFS can run on a few other transports, but I'm not the best to ask, and my answer is missing specifics.

17:19 <theseb> richardlitt: oh ehy...if i may..on another topic...this Juan guy that developed ipfs....is he some sort of genius? did he do it when very young?

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17:19 <richardlitt> theseb: nope, he's another dev like the rest of us. A lot of how this started was by looking over academic work that had never been implemented.

17:20 <richardlitt> This is a great video where he talks a bit about finding out about the possibilities of tech, leading to IPFS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUVmypx9HGI&t=315s

17:20 <richardlitt> It's from his talk at Stanford (he's an alumnus there)

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17:20 <ruby32> it depends on what you mean by genius

17:20 <theseb> richardlitt: ever heard of Van Jacobsen? i heard about his Named Data Networking and thought holy hell...that's brilliant..someone should do that

17:21 <richardlitt> theseb: concerning TCP/IP: https://github.com/ipfs/faq/issues/103#issuecomment-209678403

17:21 <theseb> richardlitt: thanks

17:21 <theseb> ruby32: everyone is special in their own way ;)

17:21 <richardlitt> theseb: so, as far as I can tell, no, it doesn't require TCP/IP. In the slides that have been used a lot to describe IPFS, the word 'pigeon' is mentioned as a possible transport

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17:22 <richardlitt> basically, it would work for mobile, you've just got to implement the transports. We're working on it, but it's not a high priority

17:22 <richardlitt> (Right now, anyway)

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17:22 <richardlitt> lgierth: sprint-helper keeps quitting and restarting.

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17:22 <ruby32> you could be an excellent engineer, a genius even, coding happily at a 9 to 5 job working on groundbreaking stuff at a big company. it is a different thing entirely to look for, find, and create some tech that doesn't exist

17:22 <richardlitt> lgierth: I'm using `forever` on the server; can you help me figure out how to check to log?

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17:23 <richardlitt> theseb: I haven't heard of NDN, thanks. Will look into this.

17:24 <richardlitt> mib_kd743naq and Kubuxu: did my resolution above make sense? See 12:15:37

17:26 <Kubuxu> richardlitt: most of those functions are not hash functions

17:26 <Kubuxu> those are cryptographic suits defined by openssl

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17:26 <richardlitt> huh. Interesting.

17:26 <richardlitt> Ok, give me a minute, going to research the difference between cryptographic suites and hash functions

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17:28 <Kubuxu> richardlitt: RSA-SHA1 means in OpenSSL, do cryptographic exchange using RSA as public key cryptography function and SHA1 as hash function

17:28 <richardlitt> Yep. Read that here: https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/9260/sha-rsa-and-the-relation-between-them

17:28 <richardlitt> Cool.

17:29 <richardlitt> Ok, so, rather: that list is a list of suites, not hash functions. For hash functions, we have assigned function codes to some of them, but not all. The list is similar, but it's not something we can represent in multihash fully, because that's not the point of mulithash.

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17:30 <Kubuxu> yes, we want to represent crypto primitives too using not-yet-defined multikey, but again it would be list of crypto primitives not suits

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17:31 <richardlitt> Alright!

17:31 <richardlitt> Thanks Kubuxu. I'll respond to this and cc you to check that I'm right, if that's OK?

17:31 <theseb> richardlitt: here it a sample...just brilliant..i can't watch it enough..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqGEMQveoqg&t=2492s

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17:31 <Kubuxu> kk

17:33 <theseb> richardlitt: yes of course...you'd manage mobile with a new layer above tcp/ip

17:33 <theseb> very nice thanks

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17:52 <mib_kd743naq> richardlitt: this is more of a suitable list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_cryptographic_hash_functions#General_information

17:52 <mib_kd743naq> richardlitt: but note that several of those are beyond obsolete (thus dangerous)

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17:59 <theseb> regarding how IPFS *finds files*.....how does it know in simplified terms where to look?

18:00 <theseb> can't/won't it be inefficient to ping every IPFS node to find a file!??!?

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18:01 <r0kk3rz> its stored in a dht

18:04 <theseb> r0kk3rz: can you possibly give sentence or 2 that shows the spirit of why dht's are so awesome and solves the search problem?

18:07 <r0kk3rz> umm, because they are, and if you search 'distributed hash table' you can find out all about them and how they work

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18:09 <dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: voxelot just had some baileys crepe :D

18:10 <whyrusleeping> wat

18:10 <whyrusleeping> are you with voxelot ?

18:10 <dignifiedquire> no

18:10 <dignifiedquire> I forgot the I

18:11 <dignifiedquire> in remembrance of ccc

18:13 <whyrusleeping> ooooooh

18:13 <whyrusleeping> <3

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18:13 <whyrusleeping> :'(

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18:14 <fleeky_> anyone got any updates on a freebsd build that works ?

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18:16 <whyrusleeping> fleeky_: here... i'll fix master

18:17 <fleeky_> thanks whyrusleeping!

18:18 <mib_kd743naq> whyrusleeping: do you happen to know the answer for the 3 lines starting here: https://botbot.me/freenode/ipfs/2016-11-30/?msg=77243972&page=4

18:18 <whyrusleeping> mib_kd743naq: uhm, can you restate the question?

18:18 <mib_kd743naq> I got my trees as lean as they can be ( omitting a lot of the optional stuff, unlike go-ipfs ) and was wondering if there are other implementations to test it against (aside from ipfs.io )

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18:20 <mib_kd743naq> whyrusleeping: to restate: are there other implementations of an http://ipfs.io/ipfs/<hashgoeshere> *besides* the go-ipfs based ipfs.io itself?

18:21 <whyrusleeping> mib_kd743naq: no

18:22 <mib_kd743naq> nod, thanks

18:22 <whyrusleeping> yeah, if you write one, you get to be #2 :)

18:22 <mib_kd743naq> I thought this is what the js-ipfs thing was...?

18:23 <mib_kd743naq> or did I completely misunderstand the project scope?

18:23 <whyrusleeping> js-ipfs isnt really intended to run as a daemon

18:23 <whyrusleeping> er

18:23 <whyrusleeping> gateway type "global" node

18:23 <whyrusleeping> its main purpose (at least, from my perspective) is to be embeddable in web pages

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18:24 <whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: daviddias correct me if i'm wrong

18:24 <mib_kd743naq> ok... I should rephrase again: let's say I have a node that serves a non-standard DAG - is there anything I can use today from the js-ipfs project to see if that codebase will properly consume my "creation" ?

18:24 <fleeky_> embeddable in web pages ? neat , would you be able to use js_ipfs to for instance force everyone currently on a webpage to pin the webpage until they leave the webpage?

18:25 <mib_kd743naq> I am doing all these tests etc to make sure I have a stable foundation: wouldn't want to have to recode gigabytes of data if it turns out my DAGs won't work everywhere going forward

18:25 <mib_kd743naq> whyrusleeping: ^^

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18:27 <whyrusleeping> mib_kd743naq: ah, yes

18:27 <whyrusleeping> in that case, then js-ipfs can do what youre after

18:27 <whyrusleeping> youll have to check with dignifiedquire and daviddias to find out how though

18:27 <mib_kd743naq> ok

18:28 <whyrusleeping> fleeky_: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3450

18:28 <whyrusleeping> wanna try out that PR for me?

18:28 <whyrusleeping> make sure it builds on freebsd for you?

18:29 <fleeky_> so just gmake install doesnt seem to work

18:29 <fleeky_> just did a git pull on master and then gmake install

18:29 <fleeky_> but it was the same error so i am assuming there is something extra i need to do

18:30 <whyrusleeping> check out fix/freebsd-build

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18:31 <fleeky_> argh have to leave right now, but i will do it as soon as i get home in a few hours

18:31 <whyrusleeping> fleeky_: thank you!

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18:41 <Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: are you ok with just disabling rlimit handling for freebsd?

18:41 <whyrusleeping> why?

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18:44 <Kubuxu> because of the different rlimit definition in freebsd

18:44 <Kubuxu> I mean, I can write separate handler for it but it takes effort.

18:44 <whyrusleeping> we could do that, or you could review this PR: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3450

18:44 <whyrusleeping> either way

18:45 <Kubuxu> :PPPDDD

18:45 * Kubuxu laughs so hard

18:45 <whyrusleeping> its really up to you though :P

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18:46 <Kubuxu> meh, let's just disable it for freebsd \s

18:47 <whyrusleeping> SGTM

18:47 <whyrusleeping> SHIP IT

18:47 <Kubuxu> k: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/commit/6198d9a9c1d1e010b6d968be6ba425dbae8200e2

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18:50 <whyrusleeping> git push origin master -f --no-verify

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18:51 <cblgh> uh hi

18:52 <cblgh> after i add a file to ipfs using ipfs add, can someone outside my network get it immediately?

18:52 <cblgh> if not, how long of a delay is reasonable to wait for?

18:53 <cblgh> build a system using ipfs but having strange results across networks and computers with ipfs get behaviour i.e. the other computer taking forever to perform it

18:53 <Kubuxu> ipfs you have your daemon running, and it is able to connect with rest of the network (`ipfs swarm peers`)

18:53 <Kubuxu> right away

18:53 <cblgh> yes

18:53 <cblgh> so no delay to be expected then?

18:53 <Kubuxu> s/^ipfs/if

18:53 <cblgh> haha, work habit ^_^

18:53 <Kubuxu> almost no delay

18:53 <cblgh> alright

18:53 <cblgh> good to know

18:54 <cblgh> would there be any conceivable issues if a person was running ipfs in a vm?

18:54 <Kubuxu> not being able to punch the NAT might be an issue

18:54 <Kubuxu> but it really depends on a setup

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18:55 <cblgh> ah, wasn't sure if ipfs had perfected NAT punching

18:55 <cblgh> Kubuxu: could you aid me in testing if there's something wrong with my setup?

18:55 <cblgh> i.e. i'll do ipfs add and see if you can just ipfs get the hash

18:55 <cblgh> it's an encrypted tar

18:55 <cblgh> ~2MB

18:55 <cblgh> i tested via gateways and that was fine

18:56 <Kubuxu> adn

18:56 <cblgh> adn?

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18:56 <Kubuxu> and?

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18:56 <cblgh> oh, and what?

18:56 <cblgh> it worked, i could dl via gateway

18:57 <cblgh> but friend in a vm on his network had problems

18:57 <cblgh> so i wonder if it's his setup or mine or what

18:57 <Kubuxu> can he do `ipfs swarm peers`

18:57 <cblgh> yeah it printed out a bunch

18:57 <Kubuxu> hmm

18:58 <whyrusleeping> everyones running a current ipfs version?

18:58 <Kubuxu> go `ipfs id` find address with your external IP in it and give it to him to do `ipfs swarm connect $THE_ADDRESS`

18:59 <cblgh> i might be running an old one, he got the binary from distributions page

18:59 <Kubuxu> address should looks like: /ip4/192.168.88.253/tcp/4001/ipfs/QmXgf78v3HnoaagMQTbVNjX3C42gQiMdUmsQ9jjhVXyKwL but with external IP

18:59 <cblgh> and he is running ubuntu 16.10

18:59 <Kubuxu> if `ipfs --version` is above 0.4.3 or even 0.4.2 it should be ok

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18:59 <cblgh> i'm running 0.4.4

19:00 <whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: yeah, it turns out the wantlist consistency problem we're seeing is far less of an 'immediate protocol issue' than i expected

19:00 <whyrusleeping> its really just yamux starting to suck again

19:01 <cblgh> trying the thing with swarm connect, thanks Kubuxu

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19:01 <Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: :L

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19:02 <Kubuxu> I don't want yamux to suck but it also sucks with its 12bytes packets

19:02 <cblgh> he tried that and got

19:02 <cblgh> a delay is re

19:02 <cblgh> err

19:03 <cblgh> context deadline exceeded

19:03 <cblgh> that

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19:03 <richardlitt> Kubuxu: answered https://github.com/multiformats/multihash/issues/58

19:03 <richardlitt> Look rightish?

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19:05 <dignifiedquire> mib_kd743naq: whyrusleeping we try to be compatible with all formats go-ipfs supports

19:05 <dignifiedquire> so if sth doesn't work it means we have to fix it not you

19:05 <dignifiedquire> as long as the go impl is correct

19:06 <dignifiedquire> but whyrusleeping only writes correct code so all good there

19:06 <Kubuxu> richardlitt: Multiformats is only for hashing functions -- Multihash is only for hash functions

19:06 <cblgh> oh and apparently he has double NATs, one from router and one from virtualbox

19:06 <Kubuxu> yeah, it might be a problem

19:06 <cblgh> it worked once or twice though

19:06 <richardlitt> heh. Fixed.

19:06 <cblgh> with a file i had added

19:06 <Kubuxu> he is running Windows right?

19:06 <cblgh> no ubuntu in virtualbox

19:06 <richardlitt> dobrze

19:06 <cblgh> i'm running arch linux on my server

19:07 <Kubuxu> richardlitt: dobrze

19:07 <cblgh> he's basically helping me test my app

19:07 <Kubuxu> but as a core system? because go-ipfs works on windows too

19:07 <cblgh> as a core he's running arch on desktop i belive

19:07 <cblgh> believe*

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19:07 <Kubuxu> aah

19:08 <Kubuxu> so on arch he can just run `pacman -S go-ipfs` and it should work :p

19:08 <Kubuxu> or use my package from AUR go-ipfs-git

19:08 <cblgh> so does this mean ubuntu is a problem or?

19:08 <cblgh> basically running everything in a vm so he can just throw away all the stuff he's testing for me

19:08 <Kubuxu> no, double NAT might be the problem

19:08 <cblgh> and i don't accidentally fuck his system

19:08 <Kubuxu> ahh

19:08 <cblgh> ah ok

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19:09 <Kubuxu> if he has the courage, bridged network setup would work better

19:10 <cblgh> aight well i'll blame the double nat stuff for the moment

19:10 <cblgh> thanks so much for the quick help :3

19:11 <cblgh> after i release this stuff i'll come back and probe whoever is around about ipns

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19:11 <cblgh> since i find that very interesting

19:11 <cblgh> but it's hard to find enough info on it in once spot

19:11 <cblgh> saw a .md on github by whyrusleeping from last year or so

19:11 <cblgh> and maybe some allusions to it in a talk by juan idk

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19:15 <mib_kd743naq> dignifiedquire: I write my own blocks and then feed them to go-ipfs

19:15 <mib_kd743naq> I tried to install the js-ipfs thing, but it needs too many things upgraded, I will have to deal with it later

19:16 <mib_kd743naq> dignifiedquire: QmYGqKHDTeJ3jNpzNRrrXXyLqSJ6Hf31dwXFeAfAHZfMrP <--- are you e.g. able to read this? ( it's a 20mb file )

19:17 <Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: what do you think about scaling all timeouts from one variable?

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19:49 <flyingzumwalt> Check out the first bits of an IPFS book I've been putting together. More info here: http://ipfs.trydiscourse.com/t/decentralized-web-primer-the-beginnings-of-an-ipfs-book/40

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19:55 <welp> Im looking to contribute to this in som way. https://github.com/haadcode/orbit . Anyone I could collaborate with here?

19:58 <deltab> fleeky_: hi, sorry, I meant line 12 of the file mentioned in the error message

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20:04 <flyingzumwalt> welp - haad is the captain for that project. I'm sure he will be happy to have another contributor. He's in Berlin and tends to work business hours german time. You can try catching him on irc during that time, but the best way to reach him is to add issues or PRs on the orbit and orbit-db repositories.

20:05 <flyingzumwalt> welp - there's also the "apps on ipfs" call on mondays. richardlitt will post the schedule for next monday soon in https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues

20:06 <richardlitt> ^flyingzumwalt is right

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20:34 <lgierth> richardlitt:

20:34 <lgierth> logs Lists log files for all forever processes

20:34 <lgierth> logs <script|index> Tails the logs for <script|index>

20:34 <lgierth> -o OUTFILE Logs stdout from child script to OUTFILE

20:34 <lgierth> -e ERRFILE Logs stderr from child script to ERRFILE

20:34 <richardlitt> aight

20:34 <lgierth> :):)

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20:57 <ruby32> welp - i am interested in this as well

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21:32 <cpacia> Hey if you guys are interested, here's a short video of IPFS in OpenBazaar. (Note the backend code if further along than the front end, but this is where they're up to). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=827z2uqm8JM

21:32 <alu> Awesome, I'm ppretty interested thanks for sharing ! :D

21:33 <lgierth> nice tune

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21:46 <richardlitt> lgierth: is ipfs-bot a hubot?

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21:47 <lgierth> ipfs-bot?

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21:48 <richardlitt> Isn't ipfs-bot a thing?

21:48 <lgierth> there's a github account called ipfsbot

21:48 <lgierth> but there's not really any bot

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21:50 <richardlitt> hmm. Ok

21:50 <richardlitt> I am setting up a hubot

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21:50 <richardlitt> to automatically create the sprint issues.

21:50 <richardlitt> Also, I think I just figured out the issue with sprint-helper . Observe.

21:50 <richardlitt> sprin?

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21:50 <richardlitt> :D

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21:50 <richardlitt> Leave?

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21:50 <richardlitt> yep.

21:51 <lgierth> make sure it doesn't steal pinbot's botsnacks

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21:51 <lgierth> :)

21:51 <richardlitt> is pinbot a hubot?

21:51 <lgierth> no just a bunch of go

21:51 <richardlitt> Accidentally typed `exist` instead of `exit` when leaving the server. Returned nothing but angst.

21:51 <lgierth> hah

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21:55 <ruby32> exist: command not found *shudder*

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22:02 <richardlitt> test?

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22:02 <richardlitt> test?

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22:03 <whyrusleeping> eh?

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22:03 <richardlitt> eh?

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22:03 <richardlitt> Darn it.

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22:04 <richardlitt> Alright, moving to another channel.

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22:10 <richardlitt> Fixed?

22:10 <richardlitt> Good.

22:10 <richardlitt> Sorry about briefly flooding the channel, all.

22:10 <richardlitt> From now, sprint-helper won't be bouncing back and forth so much

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22:22 <fleeky_> whyrusleeping: ok stupid question , where is fix/freebsd_build?

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22:28 <lgierth> fleeky_: go-ipfs repo probably

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22:28 <fleeky_> i must be blind because i dont see fix in the root dir

22:28 <lgierth> oh, that's not a file

22:29 <lgierth> it's a git branch

22:29 <jbenet> cpacia that's excellent! let's catch up this week in a call?

22:29 <fleeky_> oh

22:29 <jbenet> see how we can help

22:31 <whyrusleeping> fleeky_: 'git fetch && git checkout fix/freebsd_build'

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22:34 <kevina> whyrusleeping: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/blob/844b425835f2403b3f72362bc362bf24e2d0b603/blocks/blockstore/blockstore.go#L184

22:34 <whyrusleeping> yes?

22:34 <kevina> do you think we still need the extra function for "to compartmentalize"?

22:35 <whyrusleeping> you know, probably not

22:35 <kevina> okay, I wanted to get ride of it but didn't want to make a major change,

22:35 <kevina> will fix

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22:47 <kevina> whyrusleeping: is https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3407 ready for merge?

22:48 <kevina> in will conflict with https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3386 so I want to fix it now.

22:48 <whyrusleeping> yeap

22:48 <whyrusleeping> merged

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22:51 <richardlitt> Well.

22:51 <richardlitt> I made this week's sprint issue automatically using hubot. Will be fun to see if I can get it on a cronjob and get all of this issue creation done automatically.

22:51 <richardlitt> Should have done this a year ago.

22:52 <kevina> whyrusleeping: have another look at https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3386

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22:53 <kevina> eliminated the extra function "to compartmentalize"

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22:54 <whyrusleeping> cool cool, go tests go!

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23:03 <kevina> whyrusleeping: do you know what going on with teamcity, I am again getting "Waiting for status to be reported" with no link

23:03 <whyrusleeping> I don't know

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23:04 <kevina> well circleci passed do I confident that the others will too, eventually....

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23:13 <fleeky_> whyrusleeping: it works

23:13 <whyrusleeping> fleeky_: great! thanks!

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23:34 <fleeky_> hmm , so there is another type of program on freebsd called ipfs

23:34 <fleeky_> ipfs - saves and restores information for NAT and state tables.

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23:41 <deltab> yeah, it's not the most distinctive of names :-)

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23:41 <deltab> PCBSD is using the name ipfs-go for its ipfs package

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23:42 <fleeky_> so im a bit confused, gmake installed work but where would it normally install to? and what happens when you have two programs pretending to have the same name?

23:42 <fleeky_> gmake install i mean

23:43 <lgierth> it'll install it in $GOBIN

23:43 <lgierth> which is usually $GOPATH/bin

23:44 <deltab> run go env to see the values

23:44 <deltab> ... maybe

23:44 <deltab> (they're mostly "" for me)

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23:45 <fleeky_> ahk found it

23:45 <fleeky_> thanks mang

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