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<mib_kd743naq> but then I wanted to be as lean as possible, thus started looking at raw leaves
<Kubuxu> it will work
<Kubuxu> you just have to do `ipfs block put -f raw` instead
<mib_kd743naq> yeah I understand that part
<Kubuxu> and we are not dropping support for the old format/address
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<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: one more comment, cid raw format is 0x73. Should it be same as in bin multicodec 0x55?
<Kubuxu> or should we register 0x73
<mib_kd743naq> to rephrase: while having the leaves ( or in fact all nodes aside from the root ) in cid format is the way forward, today I still have to have the file "root" node be an old style unixfs-ish mdag added via old style `block put`
<whyrusleeping> its 0x73? i thought it was at 0x55...
<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: ^^ is this about right?
<Kubuxu> mib_kd743naq: yes, and no
<Kubuxu> there is no new format for unixfs
<Kubuxu> but you can reference it using CID
<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: right but there is no support, and won't be for some time for https://ipfs.io/ipfs/<some_CID>
<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: uhm... thats a mistake on my part then
<whyrusleeping> we did agree on 0x55
<mib_kd743naq> or did I misread the specs?
<Kubuxu> yes we did, will we switch to it.
<Kubuxu> mib_kd743naq: let me check code quickly
<Kubuxu> mib_kd743naq: try putting the protobuf unix fs with `ipfs block put -f protobuf`
<Kubuxu> it should give you protobuf in CID
<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: i'm gonna change that to 0x55 now
<whyrusleeping> mehhh
<Kubuxu> kk
<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: are we planning `/ipld/<CID>` path?
<Kubuxu> in near future?
<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: we've talked about it
<whyrusleeping> with the idea of having it return objects
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<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: a-ha it does indeed work, thank you for pointing it out
<mib_kd743naq> with the proper `block put` incantations
<Kubuxu> I will miss Qm...AAA
<mib_kd743naq> it's so strange though... that old-style protobuf cid's do not auto-advertise as mdags and vice versa
<mib_kd743naq> I mean the actual content is the same
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<mib_kd743naq> my terminology is off probably, but what I meant is this:
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<mib_kd743naq> I would expect adding one of those variants, the other to "auto-hash and auto-provide" itself
<mib_kd743naq> whyrusleeping: could you explain why this is undesirable?
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<whyrusleeping> mib_kd743naq: eh... i was initially against it
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<whyrusleeping> but we're pushing for everything to be self describing
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<whyrusleeping> and the usecases for dedupe at that level are very few
<whyrusleeping> ask jbenet and daviddias for more elaboration
<mib_kd743naq> right... ok given that ipfs.io/ipfs/z<v1><pbuf><mhash of pbuf> works I guess I will move all my tooling to `block put -f {raw,protobuf}` and move forward with that
<mib_kd743naq> ^^ that should keep working for a while right? :)
<mib_kd743naq> well... aside from \x72 changing to \x55 from what I understand...
<mib_kd743naq> for raw leaves
<whyrusleeping> Yeah, i'm changing that now
<whyrusleeping> good catch Kubuxu <3
<mib_kd743naq> does this mean any blocks already on the network that have links to raw leaves via \x72 will stop working? ;)
<Kubuxu> yes
<Kubuxu> sorry we are unable to provide stability guarantees for non even pre RC versions.
<mib_kd743naq> given it never shipped as a release it's fair game I suppose
<mib_kd743naq> right of course
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<mib_kd743naq> whyrusleeping: https://github.com/ipfs/go-cid/blob/master/cid.go#L17-L20 <--- are the rest going to migrate to \x5* as well or...?
<Kubuxu> now just the raw type
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<mib_kd743naq> https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmbWgax66QtuE5vR34kPC8Hk1Rc86iqBFadAHcyj4WrQrT <-- I know fully understand why this is happening, but *UGH*
<mib_kd743naq> however... then this is a genuine problem:
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<mib_kd743naq> ( sorry taking a while to prepare )
<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: ^^ this seems inconsistent (given ipfs cat works)
<Kubuxu> you've hit gateway that has older version deployed
<Kubuxu> I th8ink
<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: I don't think so - it's like less than 10 commits behind
<mib_kd743naq> in fact I will just try 127.0.0.1
<mib_kd743naq> ooooh
<Kubuxu> hah
<Kubuxu> also just found that
<Kubuxu> good job
<Kubuxu> <3
<mib_kd743naq> ^^ what I actually get on the console
<Kubuxu> yeah me too
<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: get cracking! :P
<Kubuxu> I am going to sleep
<Kubuxu> :/
<Kubuxu> will just create issue fore that
<mib_kd743naq> <3
<Kubuxu> mib_kd743naq: take a look: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/3399
<Kubuxu> add, if I missed something
<mib_kd743naq> nope, that covers it
<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: the title is misspelled though :D
<Kubuxu> that is normal in my case :p
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<vtomole> Does anyone here hang out on orbit? I went to #ipfs on there and it's empty.
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<lgierth> Kubuxu: gx update-tree works lovely, i have this go-cid update pending, but i can't push to go-ipld-cbor (cc whyrusleeping)
<Kubuxu> lgierth: wait with go-cid for PR fixing the raw encoding id
<Kubuxu> hmm that panic in gateway
<Kubuxu> I don't know why it takes this branch https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/blob/master/unixfs/io/dagreader.go#L68
<Kubuxu> ok, I am off to sleep
<Kubuxu> gn
<lgierth> the update is usper easy to do with update-tree
<lgierth> Kubuxu: because it gets cast to a protonode in gateway handler iirc
<lgierth> gn :)
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<mib_kd743naq> so I've been doing some reading on prior art and came across https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/713#issue-56180228 and https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/687#issuecomment-72354979
<mib_kd743naq> neither of the ipfs links in these comments work anymore :/
<mib_kd743naq> whyrusleeping: ^^ is there a place I could see these?
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<mib_kd743naq> I guess these missing links have stuff on them like this diagram: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/687#issuecomment-72154559
<mib_kd743naq> so my question boils down to: what is an optimal N given how the ipfs network works?
<mib_kd743naq> 64? 256? 16384?
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<mib_kd743naq> I guess everyone is sleeping
<mib_kd743naq> I'll leave my client connected, but if I drop off will read the weblog
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<Kubuxu> mib_kd743naq: use `--trickle` with add
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<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: remember - I do my own chunking/linking, I am asking "what is within reason", not as much "what does go-ipfs do"
<mib_kd743naq> ( but yes, I will check with a large file how it looks )
<mib_kd743naq> and I suppose this is where maxlinks comes from https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/blob/master/importer/helpers/helpers.go#L36
<mib_kd743naq> fair nuff...
<mib_kd743naq> am I correct that nothing "bumps" this up, and the "default" is defacto "max" ?
<Kubuxu> it is max created by us
<Kubuxu> but you can probably fit more
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<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: I guess I was hoping to find out how far up can I go without doing time-consuming tests
<mib_kd743naq> for what I am doing - the more links per "graph node" I have - the better
<mib_kd743naq> but a while ago I tried with 100k links - that doesn't work well ;)
<mib_kd743naq> ( I must say: it *did* work, it just needed 5g of vsize and a ton of cpu to complete a cat )
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<Kubuxu> mib_kd743naq_: I think libp2p refuses to transfer blocks above 2MiB
<mib_kd743naq_> the resulting block was about 8mb iirc, and ipfs.io/ipfs/ did display it properly
<mib_kd743naq_> but anyway - that's definitely pushing things way too far
<mib_kd743naq_> Kubuxu: interestingly I just bumped into another limitation
<mib_kd743naq_> no error condition is what is troubling, it just snipped things and moved on
<Kubuxu> interesting
<Kubuxu> does it happen with normal add?
<mib_kd743naq_> retrying...
<mib_kd743naq_> Kubuxu: yes, same behavior :/
<Kubuxu> can you try it but just with file instead
<mib_kd743naq_> let me make a file then ;)
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<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: false alarm, sorry for the noise
<mib_kd743naq> dd if=/dev/zero bs=1G count=3 status=noxfer | ipfs add - <--- see the difference? damn coreutils :/
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<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: do you happen to recall where the 2mib/block limit is defined/comes from?
<mib_kd743naq> as in pointer to source
<mib_kd743naq> so I guess my strategy here will be a regular balanced tree, starting with the leaves, and stuffing them recursively into blocks switching to the next block once size is about to cross 1m
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<daviddias> still no tickets for CCC ?? :(
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<Mateon1> Is there any documentation on what the trickle-dag generator is?
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<Kubuxu> mib_kd743naq: there is some other limitation in bitswap iirc
<Kubuxu> Mateon1: I don't think so, it would be great to have one.
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<BeautifulBash> Is it possible to use Jekyl over ipfs?
<BeautifulBash> Jekyll*
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<graffen> BeautifulBash: Yup, https://graffen.dk is a simple jekyll site and published to IPFS at /ipns/graffen.dk
<BeautifulBash> graffen, holy shit the future is here!! :D
<BeautifulBash> Moving forward, do you think we will see no need for having a node be in control over our IPFS websites?
<graffen> BeautifulBash: It is :) I've simply set up a small web server to proxy to the ipfs node running on the same machine and restrict queries to /ipns/graffen.dk/*. It's really simple
<graffen> BeautifulBash: Well as soon as we get web server plugins that support IPFS directly there won't be need to run a separate node. The web server itself will just be a node I guess.
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<BeautifulBash> graffen, this is such a big step forward for decentralisation... The only thing that could improve upon this is for everyone being able to access .bit domains without any tampering
<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: wait... you mean even 1MB blocks ( total size, with all recordkeeping ) are too big?
<BeautifulBash> that would be so perfect. No hosting, no information sensitive domain registration...
<Kubuxu> mib_kd743naq: no, 1MiB is ok, but it isn't hard limit
<Kubuxu> there is other limit in bitswap
<Kubuxu> which might be 2MiB
<Kubuxu> I am not 100% usre
<mib_kd743naq> Kubuxu: so this one is just an "advisory" soft limit, not the actual hard one? https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/blob/master/importer/helpers/helpers.go#L17
<Kubuxu> yes
<Kubuxu> I think
<Kubuxu> you won't be able to import bigger block easily
<Kubuxu> but you can create bigger by appending links IIRc
<mib_kd743naq> it would be nice to have some definitiveness on this :/
<Kubuxu> Use it as limit
<Kubuxu> then you don't have problems
<Kubuxu> or use 256KiB as limit
<mib_kd743naq> my *data* blocks are much smaller actually (65k max), I am concerned about "too many links in a block"
<Kubuxu> there is sharding in progress
<Kubuxu> but if you would have to either: use `ipfs object patch add-link ...` or implement HAMT
<mib_kd743naq> hm... I read through the entire ticket and browsed some of the code + HAMT on wikipedia
<mib_kd743naq> I am failing to understand the most basic use case here - what does a "sharded unixfs directory" actually mean..?
<deltab> if you have a directory with many thousands, maybe even millions of entries, it'll be slow to access and inefficient to update
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<deltab> breaking it into smaller shards improves that
<deltab> still conceptually one directory, but stored in multiple objects
<deltab> that's my understanding of it anyway
<Kubuxu> yup
<mib_kd743naq> ahhhhh basically to be able to (handwavy term) fuse multiple unixfs directory objects into a single set of links presented in order
<mib_kd743naq> obvious in hindsight, thanks for the hint
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<mib_kd743naq> is there a milestone indicator somewhere on github for the release of ipfs with raw leaf support?
<mib_kd743naq> ( too many repos, I got kinda lost )
<lgierth> mib_kd743naq: if there is one it's in the go-ipfs repo
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<eternalfrost> I'm having an issue with the python ipfs implementation, py-ipfs-api.
<eternalfrost> The recursice directory add function does not add the directory structure, just the leaves
<eternalfrost> For the example on Git, api.add('fake_dir', recursive=True) posts any files in the folder structure but the references between them are not included
<eternalfrost> This can be confirmed with the refs command.
<eternalfrost> The same call in the default go-ifps implementation works correctly.
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<lgierth> haad daviddias: how do you organize repos locally, is it $org/$repo or just flat? i'm wondering if the myrepos script can be applied to js-land too
<daviddias> lgierth: I've it all flat
<lgierth> ok -- in go-land we have the $org/$repo structure kinda dictated by how imports work
<lgierth> how do you do operations on a group of repos?
<lgierth> e.g. git pull all of it
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<lgierth> or update a certain dependency in all of them and bubbling that up through the dep tree
<lgierth> i started ipfs/devtools and wanna collect tools and practices there
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<Mateon1> lgierth: Every time I fix something, I clone the repo, and delete after fixing the thing. I only really work on small issues. That reminds me that I need to work a bit on orbit on Windows, still, but last I tried `npm install`ing it, it still depended on an unfixed version of go-ipfs-dep.
<lgierth> yeah i was more thinking of the work that the maintainers usually have to do
<Mateon1> I wish there was a way to show the dependency tree of a non-installed package in npm
<lgierth> there probably is using the npm api
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<pjz> okay
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<pjz> anyone awake?
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<fil_redpill> oh yes that's going to be a huge win
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<pjz> ?
<pjz> what is?
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<Kubuxu> jbenet: any timebox when you could review pnet?
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<deltab> hi mguentner
<deltab> a couple of days ago you were asking about adding fields to protobuf
<deltab> it's designed to handle that gracefully, so there's no need to repurpose existing fields
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<mguentner> deltab: yeah. glad you remember :)
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<mguentner> so filestore stores the files for unixfs. and there will be a new unixfs (possibly ipld) that then uses these files and maps context (the respective filesystem) to them (like ro,x,mime, etc.)
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<lgierth> no filestore has nothing to do with unixfs -- at least not more than any other datastore
<lgierth> the part about ipld is correct
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