<rodarmor>
Maybe someone else can weigh in on this.
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<rodarmor>
Also, to get all the advantages of IPLD, couldn't you store your IPLD object in the old protobuf data blob, put all the outgoing links (in any order, since the IPLD object itself contains them as well and so the order doesn't) into the outgoing links part of the protobuf?
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<lgierth>
in an hour we can add 3.8 TB of audio/video to that
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<davidar>
cool
<whyrusleeping>
davidar: hrm... some of those links arent resolving...?
<davidar>
whyrusleeping: which ones?
<whyrusleeping>
the cc-by ones i clicked on
<whyrusleeping>
and some of the pgp things were being really slow
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<davidar>
hm
<davidar>
stupid bitrot
<whyrusleeping>
let me know any other archives you get
<whyrusleeping>
i'm making an effort to backup everything i find in ipfs
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<davidar>
has ipld happened yet?
<lgierth>
#archiveteamofone
<davidar>
heh
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<lgierth>
ipld will ship to master this quarter i think
<lgierth>
like, in a perfectly usable state
<whyrusleeping>
ipld is currently in master
<whyrusleeping>
and you should be able to use it just fine
<whyrusleeping>
but we're still calling it experimental until it gets a bit more field usage
<lgierth>
oh! it's all there, i need to try it out a bit
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<ShawkHawk[m]>
could someone point me to an example of a go or javascript application that's using go-ipfs or js-ipfs as a dependency and connecting to public peers?
<ShawkHawk[m]>
i'm having trouble sorting that part out
<whyrusleeping>
ShawkHawk[m]: take a look at openbazaar
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: 3.8TB of CCC archives?
<lgierth>
yeah
<whyrusleeping>
mmm, i have space for that
<ShawkHawk[m]>
whyrusleeping: thanks, I'll check it out
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: do you think the Has() cache might help with performance?
<lgierth>
for adds
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: its likely
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<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: oh about udp -- we don't have crypto for udp yet so it's not really usable
<lgierth>
usable for go-ipfs itself
<whyrusleeping>
ah, okay
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<zignig>
whyrusleeping: ipld in master , really when ?
<Mateon1>
lgierth: I wouldn't say "archive team of one", I do a lot of archiving, and I have an always on node.
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<rugu>
hey guys, I am using IPFS in conjunction with smart contracts from Ethereum. The data will be very confidential so I want to set up a private network. Any advice please? I know how to alter the bootstrap nodes and run ipfs daemon but am stuck after that
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<rodarmor>
rugu: Can you encrypt the data that you store in IPFS and keep it confidential by only letting people who should have access have the encryption key?
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<rugu>
@rodarmor yes the data is already encrypted but I still want to ensure its not on the public network. I know how to alter bootstrap data but I want to ensure its never on the public network, EVEN if by mistake the bootstrap nodes go to default and connect to the main network
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<rodarmor>
rugu: I might trust encryption to be enough myself, but I can understand taking both precautions.
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<rugu>
@rodarmor So i believe encryption is nice. But its an enterprise app, so in that case, no risk can be taken of keeping even encrypted data on the public network
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<dignifiedquire>
good morning
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: are you ready?
<Kubuxu>
rugu: I am working on private networks feature, where connections will be limited to one PSK
<Kubuxu>
so only nodes with that PSK are able to connect
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<rugu>
@Kubuxu I would love to help in anyway possible. As of now, I only thought that the two nodes that run the private network will just have each other's ip as a bootstrap node.
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: need a little bit more
<daviddias>
but already at the computer
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: any quick thing?
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: :)
<dignifiedquire>
no, was just wondering if you were around yet
<Kubuxu>
rugu: they will, but if someone (or one of those nodes) connects you with the rest of the ipfs network, you are part of the network now
<rugu>
but I am afraid that if the daemon bootstrap get reset and gets the default nodes, then the data might be synced with the publioc network.
<Kubuxu>
yup that too
<rugu>
yes so the two nodes are under my control entirely, but that fear is there. How to address that properly
<Kubuxu>
it should work great for you when finished and tested
<Kubuxu>
with private network only nodes sharing the key are able to connect with each other.
<Kubuxu>
and 1. key is in separate file 2. there is env variable that forces existence of the key, if there is no key present it will shut down ipfs.
<rugu>
but even if they have the default bootstrap nodes
<Kubuxu>
they won't be able to connect to them
<Kubuxu>
you will have to have your own bootstrap address list
<rugu>
cause then files such as images that are pinned from the daemon
<rugu>
ok so the current ipfs has such a key already? There is no code, I would love to help in this, whatever way I can, as this si directly related to my end goal.
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<Kubuxu>
the code is being worked on by me, I wanted to have it done last week but I should be done feature wise this week.
<rugu>
ok great, I will watch the repo and get back on this chat. This is a pretty neat feature though. Reduces that fear of exposing data to the network even by mistake.
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: not yet, found a bug to make the browser example working
<dignifiedquire>
about to push the last piece though
<daviddias>
nice :)
<daviddias>
Once that is there, could you go through all of those bundling issues and let folks know of the good news? It would be great to send them a link with an example
<dignifiedquire>
yes will do so once it's released
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: pushed please check it out
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: it needs to be buffered?
<daviddias>
why is that?
<dignifiedquire>
so people do not have to use streams
<dignifiedquire>
they still can
<dignifiedquire>
it just makes it a lot simpler to not use them
<dignifiedquire>
in this example
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<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: roger, it makes it more simple, I was just wonderign if there was another reason since we almost never use it
<Guest4>
I am trying to ipfs mount on OSX 10.12. I installed FUSE for macOS 3.5.3. I am getting node: error mounting: fork/exec /Library/Filesystems/osxfusefs.fs/Support/load_osxfusefs: no such file or directory
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: all right :)
<daviddias>
so now we just need the right publish
<daviddias>
before I try to publish again, are you looking in what could have been the issue?
<dignifiedquire>
yes doing that now
<dignifiedquire>
doing it manually so we get the release out
<daviddias>
ok
<dignifiedquire>
will check the issue later
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<cappelaere>
any idea on how to fix that error on OSX? load_osxfusefs: no such file or directory... thanks
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: looks like it's a bug in gulp-bump
<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, maybe we don't need to ALWAYS update those dependencies no?
<victorbjelkholm>
only when there is new fixes/features that affects us
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<dignifiedquire>
yes but we can't rely on people always having perfect semver versions
<dignifiedquire>
so greenkeeper tells us if someone published a dependency that breaks our code
<victorbjelkholm>
sure, but greenkeeper doesn't solve that problem either
<dignifiedquire>
if we stop using greenkeeper we need to start freezing dependencies
<dignifiedquire>
otherwise the risk for our users is just too high
<victorbjelkholm>
but do we care if someone publish a new version of a dependency that breaks our code? Just because there is a update doesn't mean we have to update
<victorbjelkholm>
usually you would just update a dependency once needed
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<dignifiedquire>
but we auto update due to semver ranges
<dignifiedquire>
or rather our users update
<dignifiedquire>
if we froze all dependencies that would work and stopped using semver ranges
<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, yeah, I guess what I'm questioning is why we need to auto update all dependencies always. When we need update, we update, run the tests and push it
<victorbjelkholm>
not auto updating everything always !== freezing dependencies
<dignifiedquire>
yes but freezing dependencies === the only responsible way to disable greenkeeper
<victorbjelkholm>
ah, you're talking freezing as in having a lockfile ala shrinkwrap? Not actually stop updating dependencies?
<dignifiedquire>
yes
<victorbjelkholm>
shrinkwrap I think we should have anyways, if greenkeeper actually supported it
<victorbjelkholm>
ah, yeah, that makes sense
<dignifiedquire>
npm support for shrinkwrap is just too bad, I tried to use it a couple of times and it never worked out well :(
<victorbjelkholm>
don't see a problem in having a lockfile? That's responsible anyways since npm is a bit silly when it comes to downloading the right versions of stuff
<dignifiedquire>
but npm doesn't support a lockfile
<victorbjelkholm>
same here, had some troubles but at least I'm sure which versions I'm using and I don't get 1000 notifications :D
<victorbjelkholm>
lockfile is the shrinkwrap file...
<dignifiedquire>
yes but I doubt our users will be happy about that, given the experience I had in the past using shrinkwrap
<dignifiedquire>
anyhow, lets put this in a github issue as this is not sth we can just decide and change adhoc
<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, our shrinkwrap usage won't be visible for people using js-ipfs/api as a library
<victorbjelkholm>
sure thing, you create it?
<lidel>
greenkeeper is good way to avoid 1) accumulation of technical debt 2) security risks
<lidel>
but i think there are tools for that
<victorbjelkholm>
lidel, not sure about point 1 and for point 2 I think we already have snyk or something similar
<victorbjelkholm>
or what it's called
<lidel>
i mean, eg. making checks during git hook
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<lidel>
victorbjelkholm, personally, I find it easier to fix small incompatibilities that come with updates separately, than in bulk
<lidel>
but it may be just me -- i get easily discouraged if i see a ton of TODO items :)
<victorbjelkholm>
lidel, yeah, I can see that, and I understand if you really need to be bleeding edge with all the latest features and stuff. But I rarely find myself needing that. But as dignifiedquire, discussing in a issue would make more sense
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<dignifiedquire>
gotta run, victorbjelkholm can you open the issue please?
<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, ok, no worries, I will :)
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<dignifiedquire>
thanks victorbjelkholm
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: I believe that secio might be mangling data between browser <-> node connections
<daviddias>
node <-> node is fine
<daviddias>
browser <-> browser is fine
<daviddias>
browser <-> node without secio is fine
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<dignifiedquire>
hmm
<dignifiedquire>
but why are libp2p-swarm test passing then
<dignifiedquire>
they are using secio between node and the browser as well don't they
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: ^^
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: as far as I saw in my investigations the issue is that there is no data sent anymore, resulting in a timeout after secio has finished
<dignifiedquire>
if the data woud be actually sent but mangeled we would get errors in secio saying it can't decrypt or messages that are not decodable higher up
<dignifiedquire>
but I'm seeing simply no messages being passed through after the secio handshake completes
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<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: they are not
<daviddias>
just using websockets to dial
<daviddias>
there aren't tests on libp2p-swarm with secio over websockets browser - node
<Mateon1>
lgierth: Do we have a generic "ping all ops" thing? Some channels have ops highlight a phrase like "@ops"
<daviddias>
Mateon1: since everyone is in different timezones, we prefer to use github for that, in this case the thread for discourse is: https://github.com/ipfs/community/issues/190
<daviddias>
sounds good to publicize it a bit more
<daviddias>
nevertheless lgierth, right now discourse is pretty empty, not everyone is set up and the questions from faq/support/notes haven't found their way into discourse
<lgierth>
yeah maybe wait a bit with tweeting
<daviddias>
announcing people to join an empty room that is a 'trial' might be the shortest path for people to start dismissing it
<lgierth>
anyhoe i'll put it in the topic
<lgierth>
starting from when i put it in the /topic, i'll be there
<lgierth>
got other stuff to do first though heh
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<whyrusleeping>
gooood morning everyone
<victorbjelkholm>
GOOD MORNING
<lgierth>
o/
<victorbjelkholm>
today is the day
<Mateon1>
Good evening
<victorbjelkholm>
pajama party!
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: the ccc mirror sucks without symlinks :(
<lgierth>
now i have a stake in getting symlinks to happen, so i guess that's a good thing
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: hrm?
<whyrusleeping>
symlinks?
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<Mateon1>
lgierth: Why? Aren't we deduping anyway? Or do you mean something else?
<lgierth>
yeah there's plenty of symlinks in the original, and as far as the gateway is concerned they can't be read
<lgierth>
internalWebError: cannot currently read symlinks
<lgierth>
i guess unixfs needs a way of representing them
<Mateon1>
Ah, okay
<lgierth>
so that when you e.g. `ipfs get` something, you get symlinks too, and not duplicates
<daviddias>
hm.. unixfs supports symlinks
<daviddias>
ah
<daviddias>
that doesn't happen
<lgierth>
then maybe it's just the gateway
<daviddias>
get will bring down duplicates
<daviddias>
ipfs just knows how to follow them
<daviddias>
afaik
<lgierth>
in the ccc case it's a matter of TBs
<lgierth>
there's a symlink that's basically "pub/ => ./", and plenty of "congress/$year => congress/NNc3"
<lgierth>
so it's easily gonna tripple the diskspace used if symlinks aren't dealt with properly in `ipfs get` :)
<whyrusleeping>
but unixfs has symlinks
<Mateon1>
lgierth: why would you `ipfs get` a multi terabyte archive anyway?
<lgierth>
why not
<whyrusleeping>
and ipfs get does handle them
<lgierth>
oh ok
<lgierth>
so then it really is just the gateway
<lgierth>
not not my department
<lgierth>
damn
<lgierth>
:)
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<Mateon1>
Also, are the Devcon2 talks online right now, or not yet?
<lgierth>
they are
<lgierth>
youtube ethereum foundation
<Mateon1>
Okay, awesome
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<lgierth>
aha, it's the dagreader
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<lgierth>
case ftpb.Data_Symlink: return nil, ErrCantReadSymlinks
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: yeah, the resolver needs to be able to more properly traverse symlinks
<whyrusleeping>
somehow
<lgierth>
yeah it looks tricky
<lgierth>
i filed it away
<lgierth>
i'll try to squeeze it in before congress
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: interesting, that means an event is being passed somewhere instead of an error
<dignifiedquire>
let me check this out
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: that's just the error event from websockets, it doesn't find the server
<dignifiedquire>
client.js:18 WebSocket connection to 'ws://127.0.0.1:9090/' failed: Error in connection establishment: net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
<daviddias>
but the dial apparently worked
<daviddias>
where did you see that error?
<dignifiedquire>
in chrome
<victorbjelkholm>
man, without the build stuff in interface-core, everything is so much nicer. Thanks for fixing that
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: you need this to run the tests:https://github.com/libp2p/js-libp2p-secio/pull/30/commits/fa5ef326d3069842d14543fb3502fdb4dca25edc
<dignifiedquire>
otherwise your gulp tasks won't be executed
<daviddias>
victorbjelkholm: happy to hear that 😃)
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<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: right, now the problem is that the key format is not the RSA key object
<daviddias>
I'm looking for the function that convers the key pair from peerId
<daviddias>
to this RSA one
<dignifiedquire>
where did you get the key from?
<daviddias>
from peer id
<dignifiedquire>
PeerId.create().toJSON()?
<daviddias>
fromJSON
<daviddias>
._privKey and ._pubKey
<daviddias>
secio expects the key object to have .sign
<dignifiedquire>
ah right, are passing an object
<dignifiedquire>
you need to pass an instance of RSAPrivateKey
<dignifiedquire>
which is just the id._privKey
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: just pushed the fix
<dignifiedquire>
now seeing the same hanging as before in libp2p-ipfs-browser
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<lidel>
guys, what is node-webcrypto-ossl@1.0.7 used for? it wants to compile stuff and i am missing C buildchain at travis
<dignifiedquire>
rsa in node
<lidel>
i can add missing tools, but is this really necessary?
<dignifiedquire>
yes
<dignifiedquire>
nodejs does not ship with all needed rsa bindings to openssl
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<lidel>
what about browserified bundle?
<dignifiedquire>
webcrypto
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<lidel>
so I could probably ignore node-webcrypto-ossl@1.0.7 if only care about browserified artifact, right?
<dignifiedquire>
yes, you only need to run in node
<dignifiedquire>
*it
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<lidel>
cool, thanks
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: did you figure sth else out?
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<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: no, shifted my attention
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<voker57>
is it possible to ipfs add file without duplicating its data in ~/.ipfs?
<lgierth>
voker57: it's in the works -- aka filestore
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<Ronsor>
wait
<Ronsor>
important hotfix
<Ronsor>
brb
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<elimisteve>
Hey all, is it possible to have a shared folder yet that multiple people can add files to?
<elimisteve>
I see that some pubsub stuff was added, which is interesting, but not sure about folders multiple people can write to
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<whyrusleeping>
elimisteve: you can build something like that with pubsub and the files api, but theres nothing official yet
<whyrusleeping>
we're going to be working on a restricted-write-access pubsub
<whyrusleeping>
that will make this a bit more secure
<elimisteve>
whyrusleeping: what is it about pubsub that makes it possible for multiple people to add to a dir?
<elimisteve>
I thought everything in a dir had to be created with the same key
<elimisteve>
whyrusleeping: are there pubsub docs yet? Where can I find how to access that functionality?
<whyrusleeping>
elimisteve: i still need to do a post about pubsub
<whyrusleeping>
but you can enable it by running the daemon with `ipfs daemon --enable-pubsub-experiment`
<whyrusleeping>
and the `ipfs pubsub` commands
<whyrusleeping>
will let you do things
<Ronsor>
wait when did pubsub get added
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<Ronsor>
now i can finally work on my project
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<elimisteve>
whyrusleeping: cool. So even if only 2 people in the entire IPFS network set --enable-pubsub-experiment, those 2 users can benefit from pubsub without needing other users to enable that flag too, correct?
<elimisteve>
Ronsor: which project?
<elimisteve>
whyrusleeping: do you know if Orbit uses pubsub, and that's how they made a chat program that's on IPFS?
<whyrusleeping>
elimisteve: that is how they do it, yes
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<whyrusleeping>
Ronsor: pubsub was added very recently
<whyrusleeping>
its not in an official release yet
<Ronsor>
oh
<Ronsor>
my project is a social network
<Ronsor>
that uses ipfs
<Ronsor>
something facebook-like
<Ronsor>
sure i have something with webrtc but then you have IE11 and Apple Safari to worry about
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<chrishobcroft>
I love everything you are doing on ipfs it's very smart and very exciting
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<lgierth>
<3
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<lgierth>
dignifiedquire: how's the npm mirror doing?
<dignifiedquire>
it was running pretty well when I last checked
<dignifiedquire>
maybe a day or two more until its done
<dignifiedquire>
if nothing crashes :D
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<lgierth>
great :)
<lgierth>
a year ago it was such a pita
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<whyrusleeping>
dignifiedquire: i'll try not to crash that machine for at least another couple days :P