<Mateon1>
mikkaworkscom[m]: The FUSE implementation is a wrapper for getting hashes, not just local hashes.
<Mateon1>
I'm not sure about your other questions.
<Mateon1>
FUSE has nothing to do with files in IPFS, it's just a convenient abstraction. For example, you can point your video player at /ipfs/<hash of video> instead of localhost:8080/ipfs/<hash of video>. VLC doesn't allow seeking when HTTP streaming, but allows when it's mounted with FUSE
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<Mateon1>
The browser resharing websites thing is technically hard, because a lot of webpages are dynamic, changing content depending on user. It's not really possible to know what was changed dynamically without the server source, and even then it might be hard to put the content on IPFS.
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<xelra>
I guess javascript and XMLHttpRequest is probably the limit of what you can do to get pseudo-dynamic web pages.
<xelra>
You could for example load different languages that way.
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<Mateon1>
xelra: Not at all, you can run a full IPFS node in Javascript, and use pubsub and ipns for dynamic content.
<xelra>
Is it feasable to use it as a full fledged db?
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<xethyrion>
Hello guys, anyone have any idea if the ipfs-node part of go-ipfs hold large data such as files?
<xethyrion>
(strictly at programmers who may have toyed with it in the past)
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<xethyrion>
@all would really love some help on this
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<whyrusleeping>
xethyrion: what do you mean?
<xethyrion>
e.g. does a /merkledag/node in go-ipfs hold only links or also data (files and such)
<whyrusleeping>
a merkledag node can be a link node, or a data node
<whyrusleeping>
unixfs is a layer on top of the protobuf merkledag that provides a filesystem type abstraction
<whyrusleeping>
take a look at the code in unixfs/ and importer/ on go-ipfs
<xethyrion>
Alright, thanks!
<xethyrion>
Any way I could get some documentation on IPRS? (working on a C port)
<whyrusleeping>
IPRS isnt implemented yet
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<xethyrion>
oh, that's great news, thanks!
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<whyrusleeping>
haha, no problem
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<priyank>
Hi, I am running following command: "npm install ipfs --save" to install IPFS dependencies on Node js but getting following error in doing so, Error: could not able to locate SHA3.vcxproj
<priyank>
MY NPM and node js are up to date
<jchevalay>
you gcc (or other compiler) and python version 2
<jchevalay>
have you gcc (or other compiler) and python version 2 ?
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: do you miss me ? ;)
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire <3
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<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias, ah, didn't have chance to review before merge! :) Looks good though, and seems like it would be easier (if it wasn't easy already) to add WebRTCStar to libp2p-ipfs-nodejs now
<jbenet>
i want to file an issue asking: why not use https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs-update ? why create a second tool that does the same thing instead of fixing the one?
<daviddias>
victorbjelkholm: that is the next step :) I didn't to add it without also adding tests
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<jn__>
is there a way to limit the number of peers that the ipfs daemon connects to?
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<haad>
jbenet: it's from my repos, a cli wrapper for go-ipfs-dep. tbh I didn't know ipfs-update existed, so I wrote it quickly for the ecosystem I mostly use (npm). lgierth mentioned it yesterday that we have ipfs-update and definitely don't need to add another tool, so feel free to open an issue to discuss it. that said, having something in npm is valuable for js devs, so... oh, and go-ipfs-vm was an accident, should prolly unpublish that. the correct packcage is http
<haad>
there, unpublished the incorrect package
<jbenet>
haad: ok. maybe open a note in ipfs/notes about it? (a) i dont want to fragment attention/usage or confuse people, (b) i do want to improve the tool to meet people's needs -- so file issues if it's not satisfying your need. (c) you should be able to install ipfs-update from npm + dist.ipfs.io with a placeholder package.
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<haad>
jbenet: my itention wasn't and isn't to cause fragmentation,. I was working on improving go-ipfs-dep and figured it can easily be turned into a cli installer for go-ipfs binaries (which is what I've been doing a lot lately), so wrote that little wrapper to make it easy for myself.
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<jbenet>
haad: yeah makes perfect sense-- i just wanted you to be aware of ipfs-update and to figure out a good path fwd. if it _didnt_ satisfy your needs, that's an issue.
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<haad>
jbenet: what would make sense here is to open an issue in ipfs-update about it being installable from npm. another issue could be perhaps to talk about its "brand" and reach, I mean I didn't know about it and I'm a fairly active contributor :)
<mib_kd743naq>
xethyrion: the example is deliberately contrived to be simple to reason about ( a super-small "file" divided into 3 chunks, linked together into a 6-node dag )
<mib_kd743naq>
xethyrion: note that when you do `ipfs go add ...` the trees do not look *exactly* like what I am describing, but the underlying principle is the same
<mib_kd743naq>
xethyrion: in general protoc is your friend ;)
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<JustinDrake>
Thanks for the IPFS - DAppHack Berlin 2016 talk @daviddias
<daviddias>
Did we meet? I might have failed to match the name to github handle
<daviddias>
ah, sweet, glad it helped :D
<JustinDrake>
I work on OpenBazaar. Sorry I've been opening all these dumb GitHub issues with questions. I think I have now walked through a lot of the "abstraction mountain" that is IPFS. What a trip! (Took me like 2 weeks!)
<Kubuxu>
Almost every encoding in golang has stream based method
<Kubuxu>
apart from hex
<Kubuxu>
...
<Kubuxu>
why
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<daviddias>
JustinDrake: no problem at all, keep questions coming. Actually, it would be awesome if you could give a boost to https://github.com/ipfs/specs/tree/master/overviews, you just when through the rollercoaster that goes around the mountain, your perspective is fresh and you still know what were the hard bits that made you take 2 weeks, getting that documented
<daviddias>
will be helpful for a lot of other people
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<pinbot>
now pinning /ipfs/QmeAQwEmsUGhET2oYgoVoYbpTs53gN2e985P2k7v832pB4
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<richardlitt>
daviddias: we need to talk about how we announce issues with the sprint, I guess
<richardlitt>
I got your message, but others didn't. It doesn't really work to let people know the day before - that feedback loop isn't tight enough.
<daviddias>
richardlitt: agreed, do note my apologies for the late notice, I completely understand and strongly advice for people to give a notice with time, I just couldn't this time (in comparison to all the other times)
<richardlitt>
Oh, I saw your apology. I'm just saying it still doesn't work.
<richardlitt>
(as in, accepted. I know things happen. :) 0
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<daviddias>
thank you :)
<richardlitt>
But I don't think switching the times is the right answer.
<richardlitt>
Because that invalidates the idea of locking the times down the previous week.
<richardlitt>
And it's kind of rude to people on the west coast, who just woke up, and to community members in general.
<richardlitt>
:/
<richardlitt>
I don't have an answer for how we should do this, though.
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<JustinDrake>
Is there a roadmap for an IPFS "secure loader" plugin so that IPFS gateways don't have to trusted when hosting a website on IPFS. Being able to host a website on IPFS is totally awesome, with the caveat that the gateway has to be trusted. https://github.com/ipfs/examples/tree/master/examples/websites
<JustinDrake>
By plugin I mean browser plugin.
<Kubuxu>
JustinDrake: not really, there isn't easy way of doing it either as you can't really depend on file being chunked given way to recreate the hash
<Kubuxu>
it might give false positives
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<Kubuxu>
so the right way to do it would be requesting each chunk separately and validating them
<Kubuxu>
which will be a bit expensive latency and bandwidth wise
<JustinDrake>
@Kubuxu: By false positive, do you mean "false alarm" that doesn't load the website? By chunk, what exactly do you mean?
<Kubuxu>
so files in IPFS are stored in pieces, which then are linked together, to create whole file.
<Kubuxu>
the hash you use to fetch a file doesn't have to be hash of the file but might be hash of those links
<Kubuxu>
when adding for example 1MiB file, it will be spitted into 4 pieces, chunks, that then will be linked using hash-linking to create whole file
<Kubuxu>
yes, false alarm
<haad>
thank you richardlitt for hosting the apps call!
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<JustinDrake>
@Kubuxu: Thanks. Is there an opportunity to spec out a standard way to do chunking, or to provide a piece of metadata to specify how chunking was made?
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<victorbjelkholm>
jbenet, the depviz app has some sort of cache in it? Was gonna try it out for ipld/website, have "depends on ipfs/infrastructure#203" mentioned in the issue here: https://github.com/ipld/website/issues/22 but is not showing up in depviz. It needs to be mentioned in the issue itself or a comment in that issue is ok too?
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<whyrusleeping>
github does weird caching
<whyrusleeping>
for my gx pinning site (that pulls hashes from github) i run into problems with it all the time
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<ansuz>
hi whyrusleeping
<whyrusleeping>
ansuz: hi ansuz
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<victorbjelkholm>
whyrusleeping, oh, I see. The API I'm guessing? Guess I'll try updating a bit later and see what happens
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<victorbjelkholm>
richardlitt, you mentioned the times for today and the other calls, guess the calendar doesn't match that currently?
<richardlitt>
thanks victorbjelkholm, fixing it now
<richardlitt>
fixed.
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<victorbjelkholm>
richardlitt, thanks! And sorry for bother you again about the calendar, it's my single source of truth :p
<jbenet>
victorbjelkholm i _think_ it's the original issue post, the first one, for now. it should allow all, but it's also a security thing that should be configurable, otherwise anyone can add a dependency (which may be a good or bad thing depending on spammers)
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<keks>
whyrusleeping: so what the point of the cmds.Text encoding vs "ndpayload"? why not use ndpayload by default?
<jbenet>
wking: gave a quick demo of some of what you got working in the last few days during the all-hands call
<victorbjelkholm>
jbenet, ah, yeah... Hm, it would be kind of weird as well to force it to be the first, because if someone creates an issue, I would prefer not to have to edit that one to add "depends on #1" but I can also see it being annoying that others can add that...
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<victorbjelkholm>
overall, the tool is super nice, I can easily see it becoming very useful for us
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<jbenet>
victorbjelkholm: the "first comment in an issue" is not a perfect solution at all, but at least makes it so that only people with write access in the repo can edit the deps. agree, in general maybe the default could be "anything" but can configure the tool to look at more or less by repo (could have a file in the repo like depviz.json that says what to do or
<jbenet>
something)
<victorbjelkholm>
yeah... Maybe there is a way we could leverage labels otherwise? Or setting up who is allowed to make connections with the comment "depends on"
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<victorbjelkholm>
labels are probably not a good idea though, would be kind of spammy in itself
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<mib_kd743naq>
the go-ipfs call in an hour: do you guys stream those too?
<mib_kd743naq>
or that's all secret?
<daviddias>
mib_kd743naq: they all get streamed :)
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<mib_kd743naq>
where at? same url or...?
<victorbjelkholm>
jbenet, btw, probably should merge that PR sooner rather than later, all the app lives in that one right now
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<mib_kd743naq>
.oO( you guys keep talking about sha3, but libp2p doesn't work with it at all, and the CLI is completely riddled with sha2 assumptions: what am I missing...? )
<lgierth>
yeah it's gonna get better
<mib_kd743naq>
didn't mean to distract, just thinking aloud, sorry ;)
<Kubuxu>
we are working on it
<lgierth>
it's good that you keep testing the stuff
<lgierth>
keep the issues coming
<mib_kd743naq>
I sure will, the general idea is sound and works surprisingly well under stress
<mib_kd743naq>
$day_job gets in the way unfortunately ;)
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<mib_kd743naq>
https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/3424 <--- that's my primary concern currently, I am pretty sure things can be improved dramatically just based on observing how it currently behaves
<mib_kd743naq>
that is: the perf. problem likely exists on any link size, it just gets amplified by a larger block
<flyingzumwalt>
jbenet yes. what whyrusleeping said.
<jbenet>
flyingzumwalt: which statement?
<jbenet>
flyingzumwalt: stream is not exactly real time
<flyingzumwalt>
if the labels are all the same, then the issue's states will show up correctly in both waffle boards
<flyingzumwalt>
as long as the waffle boards are configured to use consistent labels.
<jbenet>
👍
<flyingzumwalt>
this is why the labels-and-milestones tool lets you sync both milestones and labels
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<lgierth>
wow zoom is so annoying right now -- keeps popping back into fullscreen
<flyingzumwalt>
wryrusleeping can you use the shared screen to identify which issues people are talking about?
<flyingzumwalt>
It might help to filter the board by assignee?
<flyingzumwalt>
(which encourages people to assign issues to themselves)
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<flyingzumwalt>
for next week:
<flyingzumwalt>
2. filter the board by assignee for each person's check-in -- it's actually quite a useful view
<flyingzumwalt>
1. share the waffle board using join.me because zoom is annoying when you share screens.
<flyingzumwalt>
(also - the stream doesn't render the waffle board in a readable way, so sharing the screen using join.me lets people following the stream see the shared board)
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<flyingzumwalt>
jbenet++
<flyingzumwalt>
also 56 issues is a lot to have in "Ready". Do some of those things belong in Backlog?
<Kubuxu>
flyingzumwalt: I don't think that 1. is good idea, as it makes streaming hard and switching to other platform won't solve resolution prolem
<Kubuxu>
streaming in 1080 would solve it so I might set it up for next week
<mib_kd743naq>
hey hey now, I am also doing large scale stuff! ( just in the other direction ;)
<flyingzumwalt>
kubuxu -- I mean use join.me out of band. Stream the zoom call like usual, but use join.me to share the waffle board so everyone can watch one waffle board.
<Kubuxu>
then streaming person has to switch windows, and quality won't be any better
<jbenet>
hey -- how would everyone feel about a bot that removed the "In Progress" tag automatically after a few hours? -- https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/273
<lgierth>
i'd make it a week at least
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<jbenet>
lgierth: read the issue-- the point of "in progress" is real time, not "this week"
<jbenet>
flyingzumwalt: it's quite useful to have the board on the recorded video on youtube, as that needs to be recorded as it will change
<jbenet>
Kubuxu: hopefully the higher res will help for next time
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<flyingzumwalt>
jbenet the board just appears as a blurry wash of colors on the stream.
<richardlitt>
Apps on IPFS coming up in two minutes
<flyingzumwalt>
there's not much benefit in recording (or streaming) that
<mib_kd743naq>
flyingzumwalt: you need to force-select 720p in the little cog-options thing on the right
<mib_kd743naq>
flyingzumwalt: then it is actually perfectly readable
<Kubuxu>
lgierth: there is config option for fullscreen
<jbenet>
flyingzumwalt: not sure if that's on every time or something recent. i've read the board from a recorded stream previously, maybe this was recorded from Zoom and posted there.
<flyingzumwalt>
mib_kd743naq++
<Kubuxu>
yeah, YT streams with 480 by default
<flyingzumwalt>
then it's because I'm using my phone's 4G from a moving train
<Kubuxu>
s/streams/receives streams
<Kubuxu>
aah
<Kubuxu>
that is the reason it was blurry for you too
<jbenet>
lgierth: the madness of the full screening of zoom -- make sure you turn it off in settings. it prevents zoom from full screening ever, for me.
<jbenet>
(in macos)
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* mib_kd743naq
was actually really happy with the quality, much better than expected for such a large call
<flyingzumwalt>
then lgierth will just have to put up with zoom annoyingly claiming full-screen mode over and over when someone's sharing the waffle board
<flyingzumwalt>
jbenet++ JDAG saves the day (for lgierth)
<lgierth>
ah good call. it has always claimed fullscreen in the beginning, but then never snapped back into fullscreen again
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<jbenet>
cc noffle: apps on ipfs -- ipget stuff was just discussed on the call
<flyingzumwalt>
didn't haad say he posted a demo?
<flyingzumwalt>
for us to do on this call?
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<flyingzumwalt>
ah. nevermind. you did it during the all-hands while I was traveling.
<flyingzumwalt>
Thanks for great calls everyone!
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<Kubuxu>
lgierth: I have it disabled
<jbenet>
thanks everyone
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<elimisteve>
If I want to use ipfs as a DB from Go, should I use github.com/keks/go-ipfs-colog ?
<elimisteve>
I actually only need to be able to store files in folders, retrieve them, and get a files listing, so the unixfs abstraction will work fine. What Go package should I use for that?
<dignifiedquire>
jbenet: if you have a better name for fast-cbor (that is available on npm) I would love to hear it :)
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<victorbjelkholm>
dignifiedquire, had a question regarding fast-cbor, wasn't the author of the original library interesting in having those changes too?
<victorbjelkholm>
minus the new sync interface
<dignifiedquire>
I haven't spoken to him, but it removes a lot of functionality that the original library has
<victorbjelkholm>
oh, I see
<dignifiedquire>
node-cbor has a streaming interface based on node-js streams
<victorbjelkholm>
best way to make things faster eh :D
<dignifiedquire>
fast-cbor drops everything, in favor of a pure sync interface just trying to be fast
<dignifiedquire>
yep, the fastest code, is the one you don't run
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: a blue line is going right over my house on that map
<lgierth>
thefinn93: ^
<thefinn93>
lulz
* thefinn93
is aware of hamwan
<thefinn93>
don't run cjdns over it! The FCC will come get you!
<whyrusleeping>
lol
<whyrusleeping>
why?
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<thefinn93>
cjdns uses encryption to obfscuate your traffic from people listening to the connection
<thefinn93>
that's not allowed on HAM bands
<jbenet>
hey victorbjelkholm dignifiedquire lgierth whyrusleeping: is there a small project we could start trying out depviz with? so that we can continue perfecting the interfaces (both GUI and how to use it, etc)
<whyrusleeping>
jbenet: could use gx?
<victorbjelkholm>
jbenet, I can try it out with the ipld website as well, not too many inter-project dependencies though
<whyrusleeping>
although gx development isnt really 'active' its more 'as needed'
<victorbjelkholm>
npm-on-ipfs maybe? Since it has some dependencies between projects
<elimisteve>
lgierth: thanks!
<jbenet>
deps intra-project are fine, no need for inter-project to test out at first. either one would work.
<jbenet>
this just means adding "depends on #<issuenum>" to the first comment in an issue.
<victorbjelkholm>
ok, I'll give it a shot
<lgierth>
jbenet: can me make it any comment instead?
<victorbjelkholm>
lgierth, seems to only work with top-level comment right now
<lgierth>
yeah just a feature suggestion
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<whyrusleeping>
jbenet: does it support things like "blocked on ISSUE" ?
<whyrusleeping>
which might imply a bit more urgency than depends
<whyrusleeping>
but i guess 'depends on' really has the same meaning there
<victorbjelkholm>
whyrusleeping, there is "related" and "depends", blocked would mean you're dependent
<victorbjelkholm>
well, that doesn't sound right, but it's kind of what I mean
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<elimisteve>
keks: whyrusleeping I want 2 users to be able to each add a file to a unix directory. I need pubsub, not just unixfs, yes?
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<victorbjelkholm>
Kubuxu, sorry, completely forgot about testing the fuse changes and forgot to add it to my todo list, will get on it now
<victorbjelkholm>
it's enough I pull feat/gx-fuzz and test that?
<victorbjelkholm>
or I need the other version branch too?
<lgierth>
well first you need to make sure you have a goat that you can sacrifice if needed
<victorbjelkholm>
can I maybe replace that with a dog instead? Does that work too?
<Kubuxu>
victorbjelkholm: you need them both
<victorbjelkholm>
okok
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<lgierth>
$ make deps && make sacrifice && make test
<lgierth>
that's how i usually do it
<victorbjelkholm>
lgierth, I need to insert the sacrifice into the cdrom drive before no?
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<google77>
hi
<google77>
anyone here?
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<google77>
Is IPFS closer to the 'everything is a file' philosophy than the current internet?
<jbenet>
google77 yes.
<google77>
cool
<jbenet>
google77 'everything is a hash-chain'
<jbenet>
google77 does that make sense?
<google77>
it does
<jbenet>
great.
<google77>
I will ask one of my teachers tomorrow if I can make a paper or demonstration on IPFS at my uni tomorrow.
<jbenet>
yeah, 'everything is a hash-chain', and then use pk digital signatures for names.
<jbenet>
google77 that would be very cool! :) we have a ton of slides you can use that we've all made in the past. happy to share. watch different talks too, can give you different ways of explaining things
<google77>
I said tomorrow twice lol.
<google77>
Yeah, I am researching it at the moment. Currently at my masters, hope to be a doctor one day, so I am doing this in preparation for that. :)
<google77>
Anyway I think IPFS is fascinating since hopefully it will transform the internet into a form closer to the one that we have dreamt of back in the 1990's.
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<jbenet>
thanks-- yeah, that's part of the plan.
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<google77>
It could also upgrade cloud computing by removing the need for gatekeepers a.k.a. cloud providers.
<google77>
Because the swarm would become the cloud
<google77>
But thx for answering my question and bye!
<richardlitt>
Note; next week this should work swimmingly. I had an issue with shell-quote thinking that ? was a glob pattern. Moar unit tests, and all is good to go.
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