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<daviddias> victorbjelkholm: I never had issues with it and I believe I started using it since 0.1
<daviddias> Kubuxu: yep
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<daviddias> Kubuxu: because js-ipfs-api name tests run over 3 nodes
<daviddias> in a disjoint network
<daviddias> which makes name publish need to timeout for it to finish
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: http://ipfs.github.io/js-ipfs/
<dignifiedquire> I hear you like docs :P
<gavinmcdermott> beautiful
<daviddias> dignifiedquire: 😍😍
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<kumavis[m]> sorry i answered that awhile ago but there was a delviery failure i just noticed
<kumavis[m]> whyrusleeping: https://github.com/issues/assigned ?
<kumavis[m]> daviddias: got a question about `ipfs block get <cid>` behavior
<kumavis[m]> should it use the relevant resolver to display info?
<kumavis[m]> or output the raw binary data
<kumavis[m]> if raw binary data, we need to fix the output encoding
<kumavis[m]> `console.log(block.data.toString())` distorts the output
<kumavis[m]> `process.stdout.write(block.data)` works correctly but needs a browser polyfill for stdout ( i wrote one! its my most-downloaded module )
<kumavis[m]> testing via hexdump
<kumavis[m]> `node src/cli/bin.js block get z43AaGF2Jd3Kt5wSYT6wbU4D6QbCXM8AtwZ6WYsVVmnAz7pfX95 | hexdump`
<daviddias> kumavis[m]: the `block API` is really just about raw data
<kumavis[m]> ok
<daviddias> it needs to know about CID, because it needs to check the hash of the block
<kumavis[m]> right
<daviddias> that console.log does indeed sound like a bug
<daviddias> but as for the browser, you should be able to do ipfs.block.get(cid, (err, block) => {}) and it will be a ipfs-block instance https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs-block
<daviddias> only the `jsipfs dag` will use the IPLD Resolver (and each resolver specificall)
<kumavis[m]> cool
<kumavis[m]> cant find a buffer encoding that produces the same output as `process.stdout.write(buf)`
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<kumavis[m]> on node 6.3.1
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<kumavis[m]> daviddias: oh hmm i guess the cli is node.js only haha
<kumavis[m]> dont need browser support
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: now with a 100% more examples http://ipfs.github.io/js-ipfs/#ipfs ;)
<daviddias> 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
<dignifiedquire> alright, time for the bed
<dignifiedquire> cya
<kumavis[m]> daviddias: how does `jsipfs object get <cid>` differ from the `jsipfs dag get <cid>` command?
<daviddias> jsipfs object get will only be able to do cidV0 (aka multihashes)
<daviddias> while jsipfs dag get will do cidV0 and V1
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<kumavis[m]> daviddias: for `ipfs dag get <eth-block cid>` what should the output be?
<kumavis[m]> should ipld-resolvers have a text summary fn?
<kumavis[m]> `resolvers[cid.format].summary(block)`
<daviddias> summary or a .toJSON
<daviddias> what would make more sense to you?
<daviddias> I haven't considered 'dag get' through the CLI
<daviddias> through the core API, you get the instance back
<kumavis[m]> yeah the instance is useful
<daviddias> what would devs do in the CLI with an ipfs dag get, other than just peaking at it
<kumavis[m]> but eth-block as jso nis not very readable https://gist.github.com/kumavis/6ecb0090c7062cffe6991a0b0deee7f2
<daviddias> one thing that is annoying in the ipfs object API is that ipfs object get <hash> | ipfs object put will result in a different hash because of the json marsheling
<kumavis[m]> hmm... like key ordering?
<kumavis[m]> and whitespace?
<daviddias> buffers vs strings
<kumavis[m]> well i think we can only guarantee that roundtrip with `ipfs block *`
<kumavis[m]> i think the summary fn could be quite useful
<daviddias> what about let the user decide ipfs dag get <cid> --summary or --json
<kumavis[m]> you have some cid from somewhere, not sure what it is
<kumavis[m]> yeah i like that - but can all data be meaningfully json-ified?
<kumavis[m]> what about an image or movie
<kumavis[m]> the summary could say "type: video/mpeg. length: 30min 20s"
<kumavis[m]> i guess that fits into json ok
<kumavis[m]> maybe theres a json response and it might be the data or it might be a "summary", and then we beautify the json
<kumavis[m]> and display in console
<kumavis[m]> so we just define the .toJSON losely as "relevant information" and its up to the format-resolver to decide what that means
<kumavis[m]> too undefined?
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<whyrusleeping> alu: youre the best
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<kumavis[m]> needs CR
<kumavis[m]> i can remove or implement`--mhlen`, but i need more instructions
<daviddias> kumavis[m]: yeah, that is what I am thinking "leave to the IPLD Format implementor to decide what should the toJSON to look like", which the understanding that there won't be a fromJSON for every format that is 100% to have a 1:1 matching
<daviddias> kumavis[m]: where would the hashLength option be used?
<kumavis[m]> in that case `fromJSON` should be not be part of the standard, and can be an extra on appropriate resolvers
<kumavis[m]> idk i copied it from go-ipfs
<kumavis[m]> maybe its legacy
<kumavis[m]> whyrusleeping: ^ ?
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<whyrusleeping> its not legacy
<whyrusleeping> its brand new
<whyrusleeping> mhlen lets you specify the multihash length of the cid youre crafting
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<kumavis[m]> daviddias: so it was spoken and so it must be ^
<daviddias> whyrusleeping: but in what case?
<daviddias> like, to trim hash length?
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<whyrusleeping> multihashes are two values
<whyrusleeping> and some bytes that are the hash
<whyrusleeping> the first value is the "type" of the hash
<whyrusleeping> and the second value is the length of the hash
<whyrusleeping> you only need to specify it if you care, otherwise it uses the default length for the selected function
<daviddias> I'm familiar with the spec, I'm just not sure if I know where will I be able to pick the size, other than trimming. Even variable length hashes don't have its final size defined by the user (or I am forgetting something). But yeah, it doesn't hurt to have the option, other than it being one more thing
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<whyrusleeping> i'm really not sure what youre asking
<whyrusleeping> when you create a multihash, you need to give it two parameters, a type and a size
<whyrusleeping> you can use '0' as a size to select the default
<whyrusleeping> daviddias: maybe take a look at the go-ipfs code?
<daviddias> so, if I do `ipfs block put sha2-256 30`, what could I be looking for?
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<kumavis[m]> daviddias: so in order to provide the full options, in js-ipfs-block block.key(hashFn, cb) needs another arg for mhlen
<daviddias> I still don't know is what to do with it
<daviddias> other than that, fine by me :D
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<fiveandahalfyard> Hey guys, I'm a Computer Networks Major and I'm interested in using IPFS in my undergraduate research project. We plan on building an application in IPFS and seeing how that application performs in comparison to HTTP. There is not alot of literature out there that compare the two when it comes to scalability, storage of data or security with applications designed for a specific use. i.e. Video, GPS etc. What are your thoughts
<kumavis[m]> daviddias: writing one more commit that passes on the mhlen arg
<kumavis[m]> then sleep
<daviddias> kumavis[m]: sounds good :) thank you for adding this in! :)
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<kumavis[m]> ever closer to the dream
<kumavis[m]> fiveandahalfyard: my thoughts: neato!
<kumavis[m]> theres a call on mondays, heres the next one https://github.com/ipfs/pm/issues/285
<whyrusleeping> daviddias: are you saying `ipfs block put --mhtype=sha2-256 --mhlen=30` ?
<whyrusleeping> that would output a cid with a slightly truncated sha2-256 hash
<whyrusleeping> not sure *why* you would do it, but you can
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<daviddias> kumavis[m] whyrusleeping thank you :)
<whyrusleeping> daviddias: does that make sense now?
<daviddias> Yes, I understand now :)
<whyrusleeping> okay good :D
<daviddias> It is a "feature"
<whyrusleeping> yeap
<whyrusleeping> for completeness
<kumavis[m]> where do i complain about mocha
<daviddias> ipfs get thai-food --spicy=aLot
<daviddias> kumavis[m]: ahaha that is right! Will be working on finishing up bitswap this weekend and plug that into the DAG API, https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs-bitswap/pull/76, my hopes it to be able to have the ethereum blockchain in ipfs and be jsipfs dag resolve in the CLI by Monday :D
<daviddias> kumavis[m]: I think the answer to that one is "on twitter"
<kumavis[m]> woah
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<kumavis[m]> awesome
<kumavis[m]> i have a tool for downloading the blocks generating a cid for them
<whyrusleeping> kumavis[m]: nice :)
<whyrusleeping> i just finished importing the entire zcash blockchain into ipfs
<kumavis[m]> once this work is done that tool can also ipfs put them, and we're off ot thre races
<kumavis[m]> woah! awesome
<whyrusleeping> :D
<whyrusleeping> ipfs dag tree z4QJh98CbGXysEpkz559hj6tyEd8wGqD6XMzybRkASramwq8oPu/tx/1/0/0/
<whyrusleeping> version
<whyrusleeping> timeLock
<whyrusleeping> inputs
<whyrusleeping> outputs
<whyrusleeping> joinSplits
<whyrusleeping> jsPubKey
<whyrusleeping> jsSig
<whyrusleeping> inputs/0
<whyrusleeping> still a bit bare, but it works
<kumavis[m]> so cool
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<kumavis[m]> i hestitate to even ask... sigh... is there a js implementation of the zcash structures?
<kumavis[m]> AssertionError: expected 'hello world' to deeply equal 'hello world\n'
<kumavis[m]> fuuuu
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<kumavis[m]> daviddias: for your eyes https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/pull/652
<whyrusleeping> kumavis[m]: not that i know of
<whyrusleeping> but its basically just the bitcoin structures, plus joinsplit stuff
<whyrusleeping> which is pretty trivial to parse
<kumavis[m]> hm ok
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<kumavis[m]> dont need to transpile libsnark or anything?
<whyrusleeping> nah, you don't need to deal with libsnark to view the blockchain
<kumavis[m]> makes sense
<whyrusleeping> i'm excited to have btc eth and zec support in ipfs
<whyrusleeping> as well as git
<kumavis[m]> yep yep yep
<kumavis[m]> very exciting indeed
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<kumavis[m]> metamask currently does lookups against a trusted node but hope to replace that with lookups over ipfs
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<whyrusleeping> :D
<whyrusleeping> that would be fantastic
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<haad> daviddias: yeah, merge 'em! (#101)
<kumavis[m]> yissss
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<kumavis[m]> ok, i sleep
<haad> great work kumavis[m]!
<haad> really exited to see that coming together
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<dignifiedquire> good morning
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<pocketss> hey I want to use ecdh, any particular curve is most commonly used?
<Kubuxu> pocketss: curve25519, the only real choice out there
<pocketss> what about secp256k1?
<Kubuxu> we are in process of switching to curve/ed25519
<pocketss> ohk but is there any reason
<pocketss> its preferred heavily over other?
<Kubuxu> yes, other alternatives have magic variables that might be NSA's backdoors allowing them to factor the curves.
<Kubuxu> you can readup on: https://safecurves.cr.yp.to/
<pocketss> Kubuxu: damn NSA :D
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<Kubuxu> I mean, they did it in the past: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_EC_DRBG
<pocketss> Kubuxu: wow, but its a curve, so other curve gets solved more easily
<pocketss> based on discrete logarithm/ integer problem
<pjz> okay, so pinbits.io is now open for beta! A soon-to-be paid pinning service, currently free!
<pocketss> Kubuxu: I am reading up the links, but 25519 is special cause of those algos given, but curve 4147 also satisfies the conditions and is more recent. Won't it be better?
<Kubuxu> 25519 is supported, checked and proven to be secure so far
<Kubuxu> For me vetted lib support is one of the most important things
<pocketss> Kubuxu: so NSA cannot hack it as yet?
<pocketss> basically it boils down to computation power and smart algos, like how birthday attack works
<Kubuxu> no that we know of
<pocketss> assuming nsa has not hacked it as yet :D
<Kubuxu> which is different from NIST P-X curves that have random parameters in them that are shown could affect security
<pocketss> Kubuxu: so is this even counted as *military grade* encryption?
<Kubuxu> we don't know how the parameter were derived so some entity might have selected the parameters to be "weak" on purpose
<Kubuxu> no idea in this regard
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<pocketss> cool, thanks so much, will check out this secure curve site in detail. I may be limited by libs that support this curve as well.
<pocketss> can I use secpi or ipfs-crypto-js to generate ecdh keys with this curve?
<Kubuxu> the site I've sent is comparison site, we will be supporting curve/ed25519 in future
<Kubuxu> we already partially do in go-ipfs
<Kubuxu> if you want to generate curve25519 in JS take a look at TweetNaCl-JS
<pocketss> this js native crypto seems useless in this regard
<pocketss> Kubuxu: how do you guys know so much. Its like you guys post links to any question in <10seconds. :D
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<Kubuxu> I just love crypto, I am currently doing Electronics and Telecommunication degree but I might be switching to cryptography masters if I will be able to.
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<pocketss> arn't you part of the main IPFS team?
<pocketss> thought you guys all grads working out of Y-Combinator
<dignifiedquire> Kubuxu: whyrusleeping https://github.com/whyrusleeping/ipfs-whatever/issues/6 could you check this please when you have a moment?
<Kubuxu> I am part of the IPFS team and studying at the same time.
<Kubuxu> dignifiedquire: responded
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<pocketss> Kubuxu: ohh nice. So any suggestions for ecdsa like how bitcoin uses it to prove identity/ ownership ?
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<Kubuxu> ed25519
<pocketss> same thing?
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<Kubuxu> curve25519 is ecdh and ed25519 is eddsa
<Kubuxu> curve -> key exchange, ed -> signatures
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<whyrusleeping> daviddias: you around?
<daviddias> whyrusleeping: yep
<whyrusleeping> could you look over: https://github.com/multiformats/multicodec/pull/25 ?
<daviddias> checked :)
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<Kubuxu> daviddias: updateed
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<whyrusleeping> daviddias: o.o
<daviddias> whyrusleeping: ?
<whyrusleeping> +1 on the blake2 nonsense?
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<Kubuxu> daviddias: I updated the patch, can you check it out?
<daviddias> You have my seal
<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: want to merge?
<chattered> Okay. I'm just about done with the web.
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<whyrusleeping> kumavis[m]: you around?
<kumavis[m]> yo!
<whyrusleeping> the keccak stuff you've done in js-multihash
<whyrusleeping> can you help make sure it gets done the right way in go?
<kumavis[m]> sure
<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu is getting blake2 plugged in
<kumavis[m]> whyrusleeping bout to jump into a game of rocket league
<whyrusleeping> lol, doesnt have to be now
<kumavis[m]> do you have anything now or is in an hour alright?
<kumavis[m]> k cool, lemme know whenever
<whyrusleeping> whenever you get around to having time :) i'll ping you for feedback as needed
<kumavis[m]> cool cool
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<fjl> lgierth: you wanted to meet and talk about UDP protocol stuff
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<Akaibu> hmm, surprised that pfrazee(the beaker browser dev) hasn't joined the channel
<whyrusleeping> Akaibu: hes normally in here
<Akaibu> oh