<Kubuxu>
for some reason I thought you meant about the resolvers
<kevina>
Kubuxu: thanks
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: should I go ahead and implement the next to last idea tonight? Or wait until we get some feedback from diasdavid
<whyrusleeping>
kevina: i hesitate to tell you to go ahead and do it until we're all in agreement
<whyrusleeping>
Though given the previous changes to flatfs, it should be a pretty simple change once we agree, right?
<kevina>
a few hours
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: to move forward with https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3508 is it okay if I just implement something and ignore ResolveOnce as its not even currently used
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: once we or happy with the implementation we can decide how it should be generalized
<whyrusleeping>
kevina: the 'next to last two characters' for flatfs should just be writing a ShardFunc that does `func(s string) string {return s[len(s)-3:len(s)-1] }` right?
<kevina>
yes, and testing that is all
<whyrusleeping>
right, okay
<whyrusleeping>
for the resolver thing i want to make sure to do it correctly
<whyrusleeping>
i'll sketch some notes on how i think we should move forward
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<kevina>
okay so, I don't think allowing ".." is a necessary a good idea
<kevina>
I can think of several examples where it could lead to surprising results due to the fast that IPFS has no notion of a parent directory
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: do you want me to spell them out in the PR or somewhere?
<Kubuxu>
then it is useless for many usecases
<Kubuxu>
for example Arch stores all files in one dir
<Kubuxu>
and then symlinks them relatively using ...
<Kubuxu>
la /data/arch-mirror/mirror/extra/os/i686/a52dec-0.7.4-9-i686.pkg.tar.xz
<whyrusleeping>
Yeah, we have to allow relative paths
<whyrusleeping>
not going to budge on that one in the slightest
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<whyrusleeping>
though do bring up any concerns you have so we can be sure to take them into account when designing this
<kevina>
".." can lead to the wrong result and I can easilly construct examples that will do so
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<Kubuxu>
that is normal, and expected
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<kevina>
um, in unix
<kevina>
um, in unix ".." in links is deterministic and depends on the physical location
<kevina>
there is no physical location in IPFS
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<Kubuxu>
not if you move part of the tree
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<Kubuxu>
where resolving hashes in some depth is like moving part of a tree into its own directory
<kevina>
you don't even have to move the tree in ipfs to get the unexpected results
<Kubuxu>
whyrusleeping: I would be more for `/ipfs/..` erroring out instead of staying the same
<Kubuxu>
as then many of those cases give feedback that something bad has happened
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<whyrusleeping>
Kubuxu: i could be convinced of that being the right thing to do
<kevina>
just construct a new directory object to point to part of another tree then use that new directory to get to directory
<Kubuxu>
yeah, that is moving part of the tree
<Kubuxu>
into new root
<kevina>
no its not
<kevina>
its the unix equalivent of a hard link for directories
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<kevina>
I got to run, I will spell out the details more in writing. I think it could even possible lead to security problems (but not sure about that one).
<whyrusleeping>
we will have relative paths in symlinks, please do write up security concerns so we can address them, but don't expect any sort of moving forward without taking them into account
<whyrusleeping>
kevina: we will have paths containing ".." in symlinks, please do write up security concerns so we can address them, but don't expect any sort of moving forward without taking them into account
<victorbjelkholm>
jbenet: yeah, it's not 100%, sometimes they never make the connection
<victorbjelkholm>
+ is not removing nodes yet
<jbenet>
??? i mean why does the topology look different, i'f A is connected to B, A should see the connections from B. right now looks like there's some info not propagating (i.e. A does not see some link B-C)
<jbenet>
ahhhh maybe that's it
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<lachenmayer>
victorbjelkholm: that's really cool! what exactly does this represent? other users/keys that i'm connected to right now?
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<victorbjelkholm>
lachenmayer, it's libp2p, connecting to other peers as they come online. Next to the node is the Peer ID
<daviddias>
why do I keep see this: Error with Suborigin header: Invalid character 'Q' in suborigin ?
<lachenmayer>
how does this discover peers? is there a signaling/tracker server somewhere?
<Kubuxu>
worth to have it fixed in 0.4.5 ^^ whyrusleeping ?
<lachenmayer>
(sorry if this is a total noob q - would love to read more if there are any docs about this :) )
<daviddias>
Kubuxu: yes please
<daviddias>
I see that bug all the time
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<whyrusleeping>
Kubuxu: which bug?
<Kubuxu>
linked above
<whyrusleeping>
eh...
<whyrusleeping>
it leads to some pretty big directories
<whyrusleeping>
but... it seems that in order to be browser compliant, we're going to have to exert much more work than initially expected
<whyrusleeping>
so maybe we just punt on this
<Kubuxu>
we could also disable suborgins for now
<Kubuxu>
in current state they are useless either way
<Kubuxu>
the only browser that implements them refuses to work with them
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<whyrusleeping>
oh, youre talking about browser suborigins?
<whyrusleeping>
i misclicked on tabs
<whyrusleeping>
i thought we were talking about the flatfs thing again
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<whyrusleeping>
Eh, if someone wants to fix the suborigin thing they can, but i'm not prioritizing it for 0.4.5
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<jbenet>
lachenmayer: yeah, there's a signaling server for libp2p experiments. it's just a simple libp2p discovery protocol though-- so can replace it with whatever (the dht, pex, configurable bootstrap list, hardcoded bootstrap list, mdns, dns, ...)
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<lachenmayer>
super exciting to see this run in the browser!
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<kumavis[m]1>
rolling for daviddias with +1 helm of dias
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<daviddias>
ahah what does that mean?
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<Scio[m]>
I've been trying to test out Libp2p-js Orbit for a while, but in all of the recent releases I keep getting this cryptic error after entering a username: `2016-12-16T05:07:46.956Z [ERROR] IpfsDaemonStore: [OpenFailedError: UnknownError The operation failed for reasons unrelated to the database itself and not covered by any other error code.]`
<Scio[m]>
In addition I get two unreachable code after returns and one warning asm.js typeerror about double not being a subtype of int
<Scio[m]>
I am testing on Firefox 51.0b6 and 52.0a2 64bit.
<Scio[m]>
I also tried to run it after killing off my local IPFS daemon just in case, and there's no difference.
<Scio[m]>
Can anyone tell me if this an issue on my end, or should I create a bug report? If so, what other info should I collect?
<Scio[m]>
(Also, to pile it on: the libp2p demo graph victorbjelkholm posted earlier never manages to connect to any peers, and gives me `Error: Callback was already called.`:)
<kumavis[m]1>
since ethereum objects determine their leaf types from context, it doesnt fit neatly into a couple resolvers
<daviddias>
currently, ethereum-js handles the different types serialized in the RLP buffers because they are always deserialized within a specific context of the application, right?
<kumavis[m]1>
even tho all objects are rlp or merkle-trie
<kumavis[m]1>
correct
<kumavis[m]1>
but by applying some hacks via remainingPath, we can indicate the leaf types
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<daviddias>
for example?
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<kumavis[m]1>
[<ethBlock.stateRoot cid>, '/<hash of address>:eth-account/balance']
<kumavis[m]1>
then we can use the generic eth-trie, reach the leaf node and know the type, resolve as that type and continue to balance
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<daviddias>
ah right, got it, by having a structure that itself has links to other IPLD formats, you can infer which precision which is the final type
<kumavis[m]1>
but not sure if the hacks are worth 3 fewer codes
<daviddias>
do you see a usecase where it would start getting wonky?
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<kumavis[m]1>
not yet
<kumavis[m]1>
whyrusleeping does this sound too crazy ^ ?
<kumavis[m]1>
i could go all the way down to 2 types, but then paths become less human readable
<kumavis[m]1>
`<cid for eth-tx>/fromAddress` is nice
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<daviddias>
It would be important that any independent raw block of bytes is properly addressable
<kumavis[m]1>
thats not a problem
<daviddias>
If the hacky means that there won't be formats available to grab any eth hash and be able to read it without anything else, then it might be a problem
<kumavis[m]1>
maybe with ultra concise you could still do `<cid for eth-tx>/:eth-tx/fromAddress`
<kumavis[m]1>
lemme map out a possible ultra concise
<daviddias>
if you had to create custom data structs per application using the IPLD Format, having a IPLD Format that can preserve types is important to make sure you always deal with the data store in the same way across languages
<kumavis[m]1>
kyledrake: this is a really good thing that has been made
<daviddias>
With dag-pb, you are granted that `data` is always a Buffer
<daviddias>
but with dag-cbor for example
<daviddias>
if it was dag-json
<daviddias>
you wouldn't be able to distinguish between strings and buffers for example
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<kumavis[m]1>
right
<kumavis[m]1>
and so ive implemented a sort of type casting at the path level inside a single ipld format
<kumavis[m]1>
that said, we have room for 16384 codes before we hit the 3 byte range, which is currently reserved for apps
<kumavis[m]1>
so maybe we dont need to be so concise
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<kumavis[m]1>
so maybe taking up 8 types and having the prettiest paths is reasonable : )
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<kumavis[m]1>
but this is a blocking decision so let me know daviddias
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<daviddias>
kumavis[m]1: so, tl;dr; is that messing with the slug of IPLD won't be a great idea, because it messes with the expectations and the way the protocol works
<daviddias>
a local resolver should not grab some special char from the slug to return the next IPLD link
<daviddias>
and, in reality, you are avoiding multicodec complexity by adding another layer in ipld slugs and creating a very messy resolver
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<kumavis[m]1>
yep
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<jbenet>
kumavis[m]1: yo-- still around?
<jbenet>
kumavis[m]1: can talk about the types and paths and so on
<jbenet>
kumavis[m]1: the basic idea though is that you shouldn't be using paths or path components as encoding things-- the path needs to reflect the underlying data structure, so a `$obj/:tx` path _requires_ that `$obj` have a `:tx` path resolvable in it. it MUST NOT be a qualifier on the previous path. it's a traversal. you're walking a tree component by component
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<haad>
good morning
<kumavis[m]1>
jbenet: yeah makes sense, i was just seeing if i could find a clever way to reduce the number of types
<jbenet>
yeah- makes sense. but dont worry about it :) 8 types are fine
<jbenet>
multicodec table is large
<kumavis[m]1>
yeah once you're in the 2byte varint range its pretty massive
<kumavis[m]1>
jbenet: i still need to do some weird stuff with pathing wrt the eth-tries
<jbenet>
yeah i get that, but _why_-- how are you walking the graph that way?
<jbenet>
remainderPath cannot be different from the original path
<jbenet>
it has to be a subset
<jbenet>
divided by components
<jbenet>
you're treating them like just strings, and they're not.
<kumavis[m]1>
welll and then it gets a little stranger
<kumavis[m]1>
the trie will then consume the <hash of address> all at once or as little as half-byte at a time
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<jbenet>
ok i think you may be wanting graph transformations
<jbenet>
but that's a much higher level abstraction
<kumavis[m]1>
because it is a sort of trie
<jbenet>
it would be useful to talk about the raw data
<jbenet>
and the tree of paths you _want_ to be able to resolve
<jbenet>
it's a patricia trie, right? with coalescing
<kumavis[m]1>
yes the stateTrie is a little complicated, let me think how to explain it
<kumavis[m]1>
correct
<jbenet>
-- we do something similar in our sharding code-- but that's a path system on top of the raw graph data
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<jbenet>
think about it like this: there's an underlying set of "graph patches" (the data blocks serialized to disk, which can have a little piece of a graph). Stitching all of those together with merkle-links gives you the proper IPLD graph of raw data, as one massive graph / dag
<jbenet>
THEN, you can layer higher level graphs on top. for example, npm-head/ipfs-bitswap --could-map-to-underlying--> npm-head/i/p/f/s/-/b/i/t/s/w/a/p
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<jbenet>
or, the way we actually do it, with a HAMT/CHAMP (hash array mapped trie) -- npm-head/ipfs-bitswap ---will-map-to---> npm-head/203/123/45/54/33/103/71 -- or something.
<jbenet>
because of the hashing.
<jbenet>
(hash array mapped trie)
<jbenet>
it's easier to understand / visualize with layers of graphs.
<jbenet>
the reasoning here is that there's "ways we want to access the data", and "ways the data is encoded/structured in raw bytes", and these are not always the same.
<jbenet>
--- idk if im losing you-- is this helping
<jbenet>
?
<jbenet>
i havent tried explaining this in irc yet
<kumavis[m]1>
well we might not be able to path into ethereum state at the resolver level then
<jbenet>
well you can, but not as cleanly/nicely?
<kumavis[m]1>
since we dont know the shape of the state trie, we cant correctly format the lookups
<kumavis[m]1>
hmm i guess we can break on every half-byte
<kumavis[m]1>
ugh
<jbenet>
hmmm it would be nice to draw out data structures
<jbenet>
together
<jbenet>
and have a very clear picture-- that way it can be made cleaner for you. there may be something nice/easy that satisfies the constraints
<kumavis[m]1>
`<block cid>/state/2/a/6/5/A/c/a/4/D/5/f/C/5/B/5/C/8/5/9/0/9/0/a/6/c/3/4/d/1/6/4/1/3/5/3/9/8/2/2/6/balance` loses its human readability a bit
<kumavis[m]1>
but conforms to ipld + eth requirements
<kumavis[m]1>
actually that is incorrect bc we also need to hash that first
<kumavis[m]1>
i dont know of a good overall map of the ethereum objects
<kumavis[m]1>
besides whats in my head
<kumavis[m]1>
there were a lot of mistakes made that are frozen into the consensus protocol
<kumavis[m]1>
so its a bit janky in places
<jbenet>
lol yay jankyness
<kumavis[m]1>
if you remove the expectation that humans can read and create the paths with a little copy and pasting, all of this is very possible
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<jbenet>
yeah-- so the idea with the "layering" is that you relax the desire to make it look nice AND be super simple, to instead have "looks nice" on top of "super simple"
<jbenet>
kumavis[m]1:
<jbenet>
this and go-ipfs sharding may push me over writing the transformations api.
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<jbenet>
i'd love to understand the ethereum map reaaaally well though, and understand precisely what you want out of it, to make sure it works super well.
<kumavis[m]1>
that is a decent philosophy
<jbenet>
it was really hard (/ total madness) to try to do both at the same time-- super hard to understand.
<jbenet>
the layering (though not explained well yet, sorry) is much, much easier.
<jbenet>
oh and we can even do the hashing directly in the layering
<kumavis[m]1>
i mean this is mostly it, but doesnt explain how they are used
<kumavis[m]1>
or rather, where do i interface with the layer version
<jbenet>
like <block>/state/<some-hash> -> <block>/state/a/b/c/d/e/f/g... where a/b/c/d/e/f/g is _the hash of <some-hash>_ (IIRC, we want to hash the patricia trie key),
<kumavis[m]1>
so between ipfs-resolver and ipld-x-resolver? or above ipfs-resolver?
<jbenet>
havent finished writing it, sorry. but it's not super hard. i can do it soon. the computational model is what the hold up is, but that's totally separate from the desired Input / Outputs, so we can just define it for some simple cases and implement natively just a matter of defining nice tranformations from
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<kumavis[m]1>
i mean i can imagine how it would work for my case, straight forward, just trying to understand where in the stack it lives
<jbenet>
"natively" == as we are doing, similar to the codecs. a goal with "the computation model" is that some ipld graph transformations can be expressed in wasm, and shipped around as code in ipfs
<jbenet>
we should just write a higher level resolver, that understands the nice pathing you want, and turns it into the simpler/dumber pathing
<kumavis[m]1>
diggit
<jbenet>
effectively a bit of what you were proposing-- but we need to make sure it still is a nice dag model, that composes.
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<kumavis[m]1>
finished the first round of the basic trie
<jbenet>
plan: can we get a dir with: a file full of raw ethereum objects, a file with the json or yml equivalent representation (raw), then a file with the paths we want to be able to resolve (both the nice ones and the lower level ones)?
<kumavis[m]1>
that got me thinking about generic a eth-trie type, and onward on to the 1-type proposal
<kumavis[m]1>
yeah -- doing that already, though they are spread out in the different resolves
<kumavis[m]1>
resolvers
<kumavis[m]1>
eth-block is already merged into js-ipsf#feat/dag-api
<jbenet>
nice-- yeah in that space you can do what you want. you can define whatever paths you want, as long as there's a straight 1:1 mapping
<kumavis[m]1>
if you dont want them, `git-cherrypick` my commits into your own PR
<kumavis[m]1>
daviddias: ^
<kumavis[m]1>
ok ded zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
<jbenet>
night kumavis[m]1 !
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<iron_houzi>
Hi. Can anyone tell me how a merkledag deterministicly hashes a node with multiple parent nodes? The order of computing the parent hashes is important for getting a deterministic hash for the current node, no? So then, how are parents ordered?
<alterego>
iron_houzi: a node is the hash of it's children, not it's parent/s.
<alterego>
iron_houzi: nodes don't know about parents, only children.
<iron_houzi>
alterego: OK, but that's just looking at the DAG in the opposite direction from me .. the order of hashing the children still must be deterministic, no?
<alterego>
iron_houzi: depends on the algorithm used. Could just be a logical operation on all the child hashes (I don't know off hand).
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<alterego>
iron_houzi: though from what I've observed, children are orderd.
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<iron_houzi>
alterego: Yes, and in order to get a deterministic hash you need to a deterministic ordering of the children. Is it just an ordered list, ascending by hash value?
<alterego>
iron_houzi: why do the hashes have to be ordered by value?
<alterego>
iron_houzi: the order is deteremined by the links order.
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<iron_houzi>
alterego: I'm not saying they are, I'm just making a suggestion of how one would order the children deterministicly.. Do you know how the links are ordered?
<alterego>
Appear to be alphabetical. But I've not looked at that part of IPFS code really.
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<tkorrison[m]>
does anyone have any up to date information on the py-ipfs implementation? looking at the issues it seems to going stale
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<jchevalay>
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<onla>
What does Google think about IPFS and possible contributing to it?
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<onla>
Is IPFS going to become "mainstream" only if the browsers the "regular" people use will start to natively support it in some way, and it will become as easy as surfing http?
<onla>
And is that still an "if" and not "when"? If it is "when" are there any estimations when?
<jchevalay>
what do you mean by "if the browsers the "regular" people use will start to natively support it in some way, and it will become as easy as surfing http?"
<onla>
r0kk3rz: hmm ok. So is there gonna be an url that regular person without any technical knowledge can access with a browser (or such) and it will find the node they are looking for even they havent installed any browser extensions and they not accessing any particular server that could go down and the URL would not work?
<r0kk3rz>
onla: not quite, a server will still have to provide the js-ipfs client to the browser before any magic happens
<r0kk3rz>
but the idea is that they're presented with the same thing they are now, they click on a link and stuff is delivered into their browser window
<onla>
ok, so the js-ipfs client is there to remove the load from those servers but not removing them from the equation. I was thinking that the end-game would be something like browsers themselves understanding this stuff and websites would have url's like ipfs:// and that this could be achievable if something like google gets interested
<r0kk3rz>
ideally yes
<onla>
isn't ipfs already so mature that some representatives should have talks with google and ask them exactly why wouldn't they support it going forward :p
<onla>
there are alternatives, but I guess ipfs is the best one if people voted
<Mateon1>
Well, the implementation isn't officially stable, there are a lot of things that may change.
<alterego>
There are missing things, it's not quite "ready" yet for some applications.
<Mateon1>
Yep. And since the team has focused mostly on adding features and fixing bugs, the current implementations aren't perfectly optimized.
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<onla>
How buch bandwidth does it take to be serving/ being connected to dht or such when just idling and no one downloading anything from you? It was quite much last time I checked, but has it been optimized
<pjz>
onla: when did you check? 0.4.4 has been out for quite a while, so it may not have changed. I know it's a priority, though.
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<onla>
pjz: oh, yea sorry I didnt mentioned, but long ago, maybe 10 months ago
<Kubuxu>
onla: it has improved quite a bit but it is not little
<onla>
how much? :p
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<onla>
I don't even remember how much it was back then, but my memory says something between 10- 30 KB/s or something but I could be wrong
<Kubuxu>
it should be better, I don't quantitative number
<Kubuxu>
there is also new option that runs dht in client only mode
<Kubuxu>
BW usage is even lower then
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<r0kk3rz>
onla: realistically unless you're running in client only mode, you're going to need to be prepared to upload stuff
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<alterego>
Kubuxu: have you actually played much with the corenet code?
<Kubuxu>
alterego: I haven't, it was written by friend of mine and he shown me a bit how it works.
<alterego>
Kubuxu: ah, okay. I've rewritten a few bits and added some functionality.
<Kubuxu>
cool, main problem with it is that the tests didn't pass
<Kubuxu>
it wasn't behaving as expected
<alterego>
Yeah, I'm going to look in to that too.
<alterego>
I think my main problem is I don't know how to put my changes to his branch forward. :D
<Kubuxu>
You can either ask him to pull it, or just talk with him and open separate PR. He might not have time to work on it anymore.
<alterego>
I'm about to add the ability to use stdin/out as the application handler. I don't need it, but for completeness ..
<Kubuxu>
don't do that, we were working with it before
<alterego>
Hrm?
<Kubuxu>
hmm
<Kubuxu>
oh, you want to do it through the sockets exposed from the api right?
<Kubuxu>
that will be better
<Kubuxu>
this is like 3rd iteration of this feature
<Kubuxu>
previously it was working over HTTP api and pipeing it to stdout
<Kubuxu>
but it didn't work well as HTTP doesn't work well for 2side streams
<alterego>
Oh right, doesn't do that from what I can tell. It creates a stream between peers, and each end has to have a network server running that handles the data flow.
<Kubuxu>
but if you use the sockets created from the API and pipe them to stdin/out it should work
<alterego>
Yes, that's what I'm adding.
<alterego>
Should work from webapi too.
<Kubuxu>
make it quite separate though, as we might want to extract it to separate tool
<Kubuxu>
as we try to have parity of the HTTP API with CLI API.
<alterego>
Not sure I understand what you mean.
<Kubuxu>
Almost all CLI commands 1:1 map to HTTP API
<Kubuxu>
this won't, I don't yet know if it is OK or not.
<alterego>
I've been testing it with HTTP API
<alterego>
Works fine.
<alterego>
As that's my use case.
<alterego>
With the exception of one thing, which I'm figuring out
<Kubuxu>
the stdin/out feature won't work with HTTP API as HTTP API don't have stdin/out
<alterego>
No, they have POST
<Kubuxu>
ok, I will have to see it
<Kubuxu>
awesome that you have picked it up <3
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<alterego>
The stdin/out should work exactly the same as adding a file object via the http api
<Kubuxu>
alterego: just talked with Magik6k, just create separate PR
<alterego>
Okay, cool.
<alterego>
Thanks for that.
<ansuz>
does Magik6k work for ipfs now?
<Kubuxu>
ansuz: he wrote few PRs some time ago
<Kubuxu>
working on different project now
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<daviddias>
victorbjelkholm: what should i clone before boarding ? (libp2p website)
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: do you think your bitswap pr will be done when you land? would like to start pulling your changes into my cleanup
<dignifiedquire>
(I am amazed it did anything before that work..)
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: probably :)
<daviddias>
Or at least I do hope so
<dignifiedquire>
:D
<dignifiedquire>
hope dies last
<daviddias>
also, it would be great if you PR my PR
<daviddias>
it is a significant change
<daviddias>
and just avoids a ton of merge conflicts
<dignifiedquire>
yeah been thinking, it will be easier for me to cherrypick your stuff into my branch
<daviddias>
plus I see you removed some pieces from the engine
<dignifiedquire>
yep :) less code to run
<daviddias>
which makes now the things I documented inconsistent,
<dignifiedquire>
no worries I will update those things, I just need your pr to pass all tests and be ready
<dignifiedquire>
so that when I start merging them together I know I broke things
<daviddias>
rad, thank you :)
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<dignifiedquire>
I'm not that evil ;)
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<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: with regards to floodsub, that code was all written in January while I was still adapting to pull-streams and under a tight schedule
<gozala>
Hey folks, so can I just publish single object to ipns ?
<daviddias>
for example, the pull-> to stream conversaion is something I wanted to remove
<dignifiedquire>
I see
<dignifiedquire>
I can take a look if you want
<daviddias>
that would be great :)
<dignifiedquire>
I read that one article about pull-streams
<daviddias>
s/January/September
<dignifiedquire>
so you know, now I know all the things
<daviddias>
ahahah
<gozala>
or am I misunderstanding something ?
<daviddias>
gozala: you can publish an hash to IPNS
<daviddias>
so yes, it can be a single object
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<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: also, good is to improve the battery of tests of pubsub in general
<daviddias>
and review the API spec
<dignifiedquire>
okay
<gozala>
daviddias: so reading a white paper I got an impression that I can create human readable names under my node id for publishing specific objects
<daviddias>
in general I'm still weirded out that 'you can subscribe twice to the same topic'
<dignifiedquire>
I avoided it so far as I had enough code to look at
<dignifiedquire>
but I guess I should take a look finally :)
<gozala>
but form the ipfs CLI I get a different impression
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: if you can review the API spec first, and give your throughout review given other pubsub systems, then more test cases will appear that will surface problems
<dignifiedquire>
👍
<dignifiedquire>
sounds good
<dignifiedquire>
is that the PR on js-ipfs?
<daviddias>
yep
<daviddias>
pubsub tests all pass in js-ipfs, but last time I tried they didn't pass in js-iipfs-api
<daviddias>
btw, can you give a quick review to:https://github.com/ipld/js-cid/pull/12
<dignifiedquire>
writing a comment right now
<gozala>
daviddias: ^?
<daviddias>
gozala: yes you can
<daviddias>
try it out
<daviddias>
`ipfs name publish`
<gozala>
daviddias: I can’t figure out how to do it
<gozala>
daviddias: from what I can tell when I too `ipfs name publish id`
<gozala>
it just updates my ipns/my_node_id to point to that `id`
<daviddias>
can you open an issue in github.com/ipfs/support? Maybe there is there already an answer :) (I'm preparing to go into an airplane)
<gozala>
alright
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: how long is that comment? :P
<daviddias>
(trying to merge, publish, install before loosing the wifis xD)
<gozala>
If you have feedback or suggestions I’d be happy to see comments
<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias: https://github.com/libp2p/website/issues/13 + content to put on the other pages, I recommend you to go through the issues and try to write as much as you can about those things
<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: there you go :P
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<daviddias>
victorbjelkholm: through the issues? Isn't there a website I can PR and get a feeling as I write to PR directly?
<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias: I'm guessing you're gonna be writing markdown anyways, there isn't a skeleton for you to just fill in the blanks, sorry
<daviddias>
sweet, thank you dignifiedquire :)
<daviddias>
victorbjelkholm: well, I was hoping to be able to write content for a website
<daviddias>
because it helps seeing how it looks
<daviddias>
and how messages are displayed
<victorbjelkholm>
daviddias: I see how this is confusing, yesterday (thursday), you asked to be able to fill in blanks at thursday, I'm guessing that's today for you?
<daviddias>
victorbjelkholm: yeah, because my flight situation
<victorbjelkholm>
anyways, you can get an idea from the rough sketches, but there is nothing hi-fidelity
<daviddias>
I'll try to do my best
<daviddias>
but it might need rework once we are putting it on the website
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<daviddias>
no problem :)
<victorbjelkholm>
sorry, I was sure you meant next thursday, you asked me for that the same day I was in...
<daviddias>
I see, as I said, no biggie, content can be written, it will just require another iteration, but that is not a bad thing
<victorbjelkholm>
I think in general a good direction to go would be to have content and make the website around that, rather than the other way around
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<gozala>
where can I read about pub/sub used in orbit ?
<gozala>
or rather if I were to write something like orbit what are the distributed pub/sub options I should look for ?
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<dignifiedquire>
daviddias: where should I leave comments about the api that libp2p-floodsub exposes?
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<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: in a PR?
<dignifiedquire>
:D
<dignifiedquire>
that's what I thought and started to write code
<dignifiedquire>
gonna crash now though, it's getting late
<dignifiedquire>
have a safe flight!
<daviddias>
The interface that needs review is the top pubsub one, the implementations should fit that top level in the best way, while keeping interop with go
<daviddias>
dignifiedquire: ❤️
<daviddias>
Thank you, good night :)
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<Mateon1>
Oh my god...
<Mateon1>
Somehow I managed to miss the call anyway
<whyrusleeping>
Kubuxu: long waiting yamux reads don't seem out of the ordinary
<Kubuxu>
yeah, I know
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<Mateon1>
whyrusleeping: Does yamux explain memory leaking slowly but surely?
<Kubuxu>
it is one of the factors
<Kubuxu>
we removed many of those leaks in 0.4.5
<Mateon1>
Should I take a debug dump of my VPS node? It's not doing anything, and running recent master, yet uses over 600 megs
<Mateon1>
(On startup used 200-300
<Mateon1>
)
<whyrusleeping>
Yeah, most of the recent increase in memory usage is due to the steadily growing size of the netowkr
<whyrusleeping>
and the fact that yamux uses way too much memory per connection
<Kubuxu>
also the bitswap wasn't ref counting
<Kubuxu>
it will be quite a contribution too as people come and go
<whyrusleeping>
true
<Mateon1>
Yeah, I found that pinning large folders kept OOM killing me
<Mateon1>
Not with the master build, though
<wak-work>
my daemon seems to reach 2GB of res memory after 6 days and dies
<Mateon1>
wak-work: Set up a cron job to restart it every midnight :P
<wak-work>
oh i just have systemd bring it back if it fails
<Mateon1>
That was my solution on my raspberry pi before I started getting random crashes and data corruption
<wak-work>
but i can see the logs of when the exhaustion happens
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping Kubuxu: yay the gateways just ran GC all on their own \o/
<whyrusleeping>
:D
<whyrusleeping>
Mateon1: any update on the weirdness with that pi?
* Mateon1
checks if metrics.ipfs.team is public now
<Mateon1>
Aww
<Mateon1>
whyrusleeping: I assume either bad memory or bad SD card, (or bad CPU) but I haven't been able to test
<Mateon1>
Not sure how to memtest my pi
<Mateon1>
And fsck comes out clean
<Mateon1>
The weird thing, is that it only happened with IPFS
<whyrusleeping>
yeah... that is a little weird
<Mateon1>
I think IPFS might have either had so much RAM surface area for a cosmic ray to break things, or something went bad in the upper parts of my RAM
<kevina>
whyrusleeping: care to look at go-ds-flatfs pull requests?
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<kevina>
wait, whyrusleeping are you locked out of GitHub now?
<whyrusleeping>
someone please tell me not to be incredibly snarky in my support message
<whyrusleeping>
"if you guys stopped burning money on holiday parties and instead spent that money making your rather simple platform stable, you might turn a profit someday"
<whyrusleeping>
i'm pretty fed up with how unreliable github has been lately
<deltab>
rather simple? at scale, even simple things can become surprisingly difficult
<alterego>
Holiday parties sounds fun
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<deltab>
I imagine they're not too happy about it either
<deltab>
whyrusleeping: is this working?
<Mateon1>
I'm unable to reproduce what I just did, which was commit a commit authored by somebody else such that I don't do an unnecesary merge. I'm literally running the same commands as the ones in my bash history, but I'm getting different results.
<kevina>
Mateon1: using git is a bit of an art form :)
<Mateon1>
This deepens my belief that git is actually 99% made of black magic.
<whyrusleeping>
deltab: for the amount of money github has, making a hosted git repo with and issue tracker scale well shouldnt be difficult
<whyrusleeping>
especially since each component of the system is moderately well isolated
<kevina>
Mateon1: I would't go that far
<Kubuxu>
whyrusleeping your screen made me reinstall stylish and my styles :p
<whyrusleeping>
lol
<deltab>
Mateon1: it's only 76%
<Mateon1>
deltab: It has to be way more. Are you measuring by volume or by weight?
<Kubuxu>
guess what: it is because you are not rendering half of the pages
<kevina>
well I need to eat dinner, I will check back in 30 minutes or so, hopefully this we be fixed
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<kevina>
looks like GitHub is fixed
<kevina>
Kubuxu: I am now getting failed test due to decreased code coverage
<alterego>
Is it possible to build go-ipfs without all the ipfs hash dependences? Like if I checkout libp2p into my local GOPATH area, how do I build against those sources?