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<interfect[m]> Do little pictures of globes centered on the locations
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<victorbjelkholm[> That's a cool idea as well, removes the need of the flags
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<wking> jbenet, victorbjelkholm: some progress on a depviz list view: https://github.com/jbenet/depviz/pull/70#issuecomment-268690401
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<Remramm> In IPFS, do nodes have to register in the DHT every single object they have?
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<muvlon> Remramm, what does it mean to 'register' something in the DHT?
<Remramm> It's the DHT "publish" operation, that inserts you into the table so people can look up that object
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<muvlon> Remramm, I don't think that's neccesary at all
<muvlon> bitswap is "pull", not "push", so to speak
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<muvlon> nodes announce what they need, not what they have
<Remramm> You have to find a peer first
<muvlon> yes, but that happens at a lower leve, in routing
<muvlon> your question was about announcing *objects*, not nodes, right?
<Remramm> At some level, you have to go from the content hash provided off band, from a peer that can serve it to you
<Remramm> the content hash does not have any info on nodes muvlon, so DHT look up has to happen first
<Remramm> unless I missed something big
<Remramm> from/to*
<Remramm> I can see this, so I can't be too far off: https://ipfs.io/docs/commands/#ipfs-dht-findprovs
<Remramm> https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/1396#issuecomment-113445913 seems to say that I'm right. This can't be very scalable 😅
<muvlon> the paper mentions a method called "ProvideValue" that announces your node can serve some large value
<muvlon> implying it's only needed for large objects? i'm not sure
<Remramm> The usual DHT trick is to store the value itself directly in the DHT if it's small, or PeerIDs if it's too large
<Remramm> Thanks!
<muvlon> still, i think you were right
<muvlon> there's definitely some "pushing" going on too
<muvlon> and jbenet mentions this being unoptimized
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<kevina> that was a failed test, sorry for the noise
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<Remramm> There's *a lot* of pushing
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<Kubuxu> Remramm: yes, currently we are storing provider record for every block we have, and periodically republish them.
<Kubuxu> provider record: BLOCK_HASH => PEER_ID
<Kubuxu> I have the bot ignored.
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<Hijiri> did the guy who wanted to make some kind of mmo in ipfs produce something?
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<vasild> I want to create some examples of "ipfs dht get". What commands should I execute in order to get "ipfs dht get" to produce some output? I tried "ipfs add somefile", but then "ipfs dht get the_id_returned_by_ipfs_add" returns nothing.
<Kubuxu> vasild: you would have to decode the key from base58 I think
<Kubuxu> something like: `echo QmAAAA | decode-base58 | ipfs dht get -`
<Kubuxu> but I am not giving it 100%
<vasild> hmm, you mean that "ipfs dht get" does not take a multihash as an argument?
<Kubuxu> no, it takes literal request to the network
<Kubuxu> the DHT network
<vasild> USAGE
<vasild> <key>... - The key to find a value for.
<Kubuxu> it takes multihash in binary form, not base58 encoded
<vasild> "ipfs dht get -" does not read from stdin
<Kubuxu> hmm
<alterego> lol
<Kubuxu> this is oversight, looks like you are out of luck with this example
<vasild> I want to implement dht get in https://github.com/vasild/cpp-ipfs-api but want to have some example that when executed actually does something and produces some output
<vasild> that is - to demonstrate that it works
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<alterego> I wouldn't bother, the command is kinda useless atm.
<vasild> :/
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<vasild> ok, then another question - what does "ipfs dht put" output? http://pastebin.com/LAXDK0uJ
<vasild> what are those hashes?
<Kubuxu> vasild: you can use the get in combination with put.
<vasild> Kubuxu: how?
<vasild> ipfs dht put foo bar, (pick one of the printed hashes); ipfs dht get `decode that hash`
<vasild> ?
<Kubuxu> no, ipfs dht get foo
<Kubuxu> the printed hashes are important only for debugging
<Kubuxu> ipfs dht put <key> <value>
<Kubuxu> ipfs dht get <key>
<vasild> "ipfs dht get foo" -- empty output
<alterego> You can only put your node id iirc.
<alterego> Isn't it just ipns name publishing?
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<vasild> alterego: "ipfs id" -- take the multihash after "ID":..., "ipfs dht get that_id" -- empty output after some waiting
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<alterego> vasild: well didn't Kubuxu say it had to be the bin representation?
<Kubuxu> you would have to decode it, `ipfs dht ...` apart from findpeer and findprovs are of a little use for normal users
<vasild> alterego: yes, I am now checking how to decode it...
<alterego> I disagree, findprovs is very useful :)
<alterego> Oh, you were sayibg apart from my bad.
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<vasild> ipfs dht get "`echo QmZSb7SYajaEEbJU2FB4XJWWfxX9AjwmdreK5MDu9zuQvn |./fromB58String.js`" (the multihash came from "ipfs id")
<vasild> empty output
<alterego> vasild: presumably you've checked the output of fromB58String?
<vasild> yes, it is some binary string
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<vasild> well, I checked that it is not empty...
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<Kubuxu> binary string won't work as CLI arguent
<vasild> ok, trying from js...
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<vasild> also tried passing 'QmZSb7SYajaEEbJU2FB4XJWWfxX9AjwmdreK5MDu9zuQvn' as a string (without decoding it to binary) as key, same result - "not found"
<Kubuxu> vasild: no idea about the error, I am traveling right now so I won't be able to help you more
<vasild> no worries :)
<vasild> alright, now this is strange: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8955780, from JS, dht.put() succeeds, but then trying to dht.get() the same key fails
<Kubuxu> vasild: yeah, get will fail for arbitrary keys
<Kubuxu> as selector for it is not defined
<vasild> but I just managed to dht.put() that key?
<JustinDrake> Given a block hash, how does one find where that block is stored in the `.ipfs/blocks/` folder?
<Kubuxu> JustinDrake: currently it is `base32encode-nopad(base58-decode(HASH))
<Kubuxu> it will change soon, see: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/3463
<Kubuxu> kevina is working on specking out new sharding so it is more clear.
<JustinDrake> Kubuxu: Thanks! In the `.ipfs/blocks` folder, I see the 512 way sharding with 512 5-digit folders starting `CIQ`. There's also this one folder `AFKRE`. Do you what that is?
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<Kubuxu> were you using CIDv1 with this repo
<Kubuxu> ?
<JustinDrake> I am on Master.
<JustinDrake> I see there's a reference to this folder in issue 3463.
<Kubuxu> yeah, so this directory would contain blocks that are CIDv1 instead of v0
<Kubuxu> and it is the reason we are changing sharing of the flatfs repo
<JustinDrake> It's strange though, because the folder referenced is AFZBE, but I have AFKRE
<Kubuxu> it will depend on type of block in CIDv1 format that was stored in the repo
<Kubuxu> raw-leaf vs protobuf vs cbor
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<JustinDrake> Is there a max block size? Could a malicious actor share a block hash which initiates the download of a single 1TB download which is only hashed when the download finishes?
<JustinDrake> Ok, found it https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/3104. Sorry for the dumb question.
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<JustinDrake> What advantages does the rabin chunker provide? https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/blob/master/importer/chunk/rabin.go
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<JustinDrake> What is stored in the LevelDB in ~/.ipfs/datastore? I can see that metrics are stored there. Anything else?
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<dignifiedquire> pin lists
<dignifiedquire> mappings for the "ipfs files" command
<dignifiedquire> various other bits and pieces ipfs needs to operate and is not stored as a block
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<dignifiedquire> victorbjelkholm: aroundß
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<victorbjelkholm[> dignifiedquire: kindish, not around a computer atm
<dignifiedquire> okay, well if you find some time in the next days, I have updated js-ipfs-api docs pr with an intro section and published a preview. I could use some help filling out all them methods :)
<victorbjelkholm[> Ah, cool, add a reminder and will check it out :)
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<dignifiedquire> thank you =)
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<JustinDrake> Is the config option StorageMax actually enforced? I can't see any code for it.
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<Kubuxu> JustinDrake: I don't think hard limit is enforced, GC tries to keep storage below it
<JustinDrake> Kubuxu: I also cannot see where the code to trigger the GC with StorageGCWatermark is.
<Kubuxu> core/corerepo/gc.go :164
<Kubuxu> same file :58 storage max is used to define level at which GC will run
<Kubuxu> JustinDrake: re levelDB: https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs-repo/issues/21 - provider records are also stored there
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<lgierth> yeah storagemax isn't enforced
<lgierth> it's supposed to, but noone ever wrote that code :)
<JustinDrake> Ok, I'll file a bug to track it
<lgierth> i updated it about storagemax just the other day :)
<JustinDrake> cool :)
<dignifiedquire> Kubuxu: lgierth as you both have much go knowledge, do you know about anything happening to files that are 64512 bytes or larger? when transferring data from js to go all is fine, until the file hits this size, (the other way go -> js works fine even for much larger items)
<Kubuxu> are you sure your network layer is not at fault here?
<lgierth> that's bitswap business eh?
<Kubuxu> nah, not really
<Kubuxu> it is still just one block
<Kubuxu> so bw should send it as one "packet"
<dignifiedquire> I don't know what's failing, it's just odd, that all is good, until this exact size and then it just hangs
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<Kubuxu> do js to js work with that?
<Kubuxu> using smux (I think that is used for js-go comms).
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<lgierth> Kubuxu: this is weird -- my changelog script spits out a few PRs that were supposed to be in v0.4.3
<lgierth> oooh ok
<lgierth> got it
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<dignifiedquire> Kubuxu: just checked, js-js is fine and go -> js is fine too
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<dignifiedquire> it looks like it's a network issue somewhere
<dignifiedquire> js-ipfs seems to send a message with the block, but go never responds/receives it
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<dignifiedquire> interesting, it seems js-ipfs is sending larger messages than go, so maybe go doesn't like that
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: are you around by any chance?
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<dignifiedquire> trying to go-get ma-pipe but it fails :(
<dignifiedquire> Kubuxu: any ideas^^
<Kubuxu> dignifiedquire: go get -d github.com/multiformats/ma-pipe
<Kubuxu> cd $GOPATH/src/github.com/multiformats/ma-pipe/ma-pipe
<Kubuxu> (cd ..; gx install)
<Kubuxu> go install
<dignifiedquire> gx install hangs :(
<Kubuxu> multiaddr net got lost :(
<lgierth> :):)
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<Kubuxu> dignifiedquire: updated
<dignifiedquire> thank you
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<dignifiedquire> daviddias: see above discussion for the bitswap issues (which is the old why does bitswap stop transferring things suddenly)
<dignifiedquire> not blocking release, just wanted to point it out
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<lgierth> flyingzumwalt: obliged
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: are you around by any chance?
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<dignifiedquire> lgierth: Kubuxu how do I get log.Debugf statements printed?
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<dignifiedquire> they don't show up for me on stdtout nor on log tail
<dignifiedquire> even though I set log level all debug
<Kubuxu> hmm
<Kubuxu> IPFS_LOGGING=debug ipfs daemon
<Kubuxu> but it will be a lot
<dignifiedquire> I want alot
<dignifiedquire> *a lot
<dignifiedquire> thank you :)
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<lgierth> dignifiedquire: there's also `ipfs log` for filtered logs (by subsystem, by level)
<dignifiedquire> yeah already looking at all of that :) but it's noooot enough
<lgierth> what does it lack?
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<Guest94956[m]> Hello world!
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<Guest106741[m]> is there an ipfs server that is "open to the world", i.e., anyone with a javascript client can send files / information to that server from the web and communicate with IPFS?
<lgierth> Guest106741[m]: we want to have the ipfs.io gateway writable to the public, but there's a few small things left to do for that
<Guest106741[m]> aw, man
<lgierth> for now you'll have to run your own node, with --writable (or Gateway.Writable in the config)
<Guest106741[m]> for my use-case, i won't need ipfs anyway if people trust my node
<Guest106741[m]> specifically, i'm looking for an anonymity layer
<Guest106741[m]> i guess i could make a chrome add-on
<dignifiedquire> lgierth: details about the incoming bitswap msgs and connections
<Guest106741[m]> or a desktop app
<Guest106741[m]> but then no-one would use it D:
<lgierth> Guest106741[m]: ipfs browser addons are actually very high on the general want-list :)
<lgierth> js-ipfs is pretty good now so someone might be able to pull it off
<Guest106741[m]> for my use-case, messages and data are ephemeral. receivers of messages should only collect, read, then discard messages later. senders log in once and send, then never visit the site again (until they are / if they are requested to send another message).. so the setup time for installing an app isn't justified
<Guest106741[m]> it's pretty weird that there are hundreds of free trials for stuff like push notifications, when i need the opposite, and there's nothing available
<Guest106741[m]> there's no website where you can send a short message to someone without logging in
<Guest106741[m]> ipfs is the closest thing i could think of and if there isn't a public node available for forwarding short messages, then i'm out of luck :(
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<alterego> Is there any decent visualisation tool for displaying DAGNodes?
<alterego> Like, the DAG tree given a DAGNode as a root?
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