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<nannal_> so I was thinking about IPFS clusters
<nannal_> for redundancy and resilliance
<nannal_> RAIPFS doesn't sound great though
<ansuz> :/
<nannal_> yeah
<nannal_> RAID IPFS tho
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<r0kk3rz> nannal_: in the past we have referred to it as ipfs-cluster :P
<r0kk3rz> oh, someone actually starting building it https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs-cluster
<r0kk3rz> nannal_: heres the discussion https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/58
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<cryptix[m]> caugh
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* ansuz agrees with cryptix[m]
<cryptix[m]> <3
<cryptix[m]> !pin QmaLHXuro7kL7fSkgnNQ6mrFrNMGeygVQuHHURc4eM9pz5
<cryptix[m]> ah.. nick..
<cryptix[m]> this channel is bridged over the irc bridge on matrix.org right?
<cryptix[m]> i somehow lost the admin channel... o_o
<BanJo[m]> You just joined so the admin channel should popup, maybe rejoin?
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<cryptix> (one last thing on the topic, nope, the connection is open since may 30th)
<cryptix> !pin QmaLHXuro7kL7fSkgnNQ6mrFrNMGeygVQuHHURc4eM9pz5
<pinbot> usage: !pin <hash> <label>
<cryptix> !pin QmaLHXuro7kL7fSkgnNQ6mrFrNMGeygVQuHHURc4eM9pz5 mrPeelGoesToCyberspace
<pinbot> now pinning on 8 nodes
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<pinbot> pinned on 8 of 8 nodes (0 failures) -- https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmaLHXuro7kL7fSkgnNQ6mrFrNMGeygVQuHHURc4eM9pz5
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<semtexzv> I have a question for anyone familiar with the API, i'm trying to get stored file by using /api/v0/get?arg=hash , but returned data has some kind of header prepended before the file, Is there API call to receive raw data of file ? or do I have to somehow remove this header. Thanks
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<cryptix> !pinb ohai
<pinbot> usage: !pin <hash> <label>
<cryptix> !pin sorry
<pinbot> usage: !pin <hash> <label>
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<xSkyripper> Hello everyone ! I did a little test with a friend on a single router. We started the daemons (me on linux, him on windows 10) and we ran ipfs swarm peers. The problem is we couldn't see each other
<xSkyripper> Am I doing something wrong ?
<xSkyripper> Forgot to mention that we plugged out the internet cable from the router. The main goal was to test connectivity withouth internet backbone connection
<cryptix> with no uplink? i'm a bit out of touch if it does local discovery
<xSkyripper> What do you mean by uplink ?
<cryptix> sorry, yea what you just said. unplugged the internet con
<xSkyripper> oh yea
<xSkyripper> no Internet connectivity, just the router between my laptop and his
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<xSkyripper> wireless connection from laptops to router. Does it have smth to do with that ?
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<cryptix> i'd leave the answer to somebody who actually knows if it does broadcast using mdns/udp
<cryptix> no, that layer shouldn't matter (if the router does not isloate cable and wifi)
<xSkyripper> I did some test using docker
<cryptix> you can try to connect them manually, using `ipfs id` on one and use `ipfs swarm connect /ip4/192.../ipfs/$id` on the other
<xSkyripper> with 3 containers on the same network (type = internal, so no external access)
<xSkyripper> and it worked
<cryptix> that is a requrisite for them to connect at all... if that doesn't work there might be the win10 firewall in the way or something like that
<xSkyripper> well yea, I could try that but I wanted to know if the discovery is automatic
<xSkyripper> hmm, win10 firewall you say
<xSkyripper> the first time he started ipfs daemon, the firewall popup showed and he "allowed" it
<cryptix> maybe...
<cryptix> my goto would be wireshark on the linux box, see if you get outgoing broadcasts from yours or broadcasts from the win10
<xSkyripper> we'll try again with the entire firewall off
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<xSkyripper> and if it doesn't work, I'll go with wireshark and analyze stuff
<xSkyripper> but, theoretically, the discovery should be automatical right ?
<xSkyripper> just like my local docker containers automatically discovering each other, right ?
<cryptix> if your dockers had no uplink to the net, that sounds reasonable
<xSkyripper> yeap. the network i used is a bridge internal
<xSkyripper> i specifically tried a wget on a url that I was 100% it would be up
<xSkyripper> and it was "waiting ..."
<xSkyripper> so no external internet access
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<xSkyripper> Back on the windows - linux peers discovery topic: I tried to turn off the firewall on windows
<xSkyripper> Still no discovery ..
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<DarkOoze> how do I download a pack from a PackManifest file?
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<whyrusleeping> DarkOoze: for now, You use `ipfs get` to fetch the contents, and then move the
<whyrusleeping> PackManifest file out of band
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<whyrusleeping> We need to write a command that automates this within the pack tooling
<whyrusleeping> The hard part is that fetching *into* a filestore isnt easy to do yet
<whyrusleeping> so the fetchers files won't be stored via filestore
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<DarkOoze> ok, as I suspected then. Thanks
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<xSkyripper> anyone here ?
<whyrusleeping> xSkyripper: very sparsely
<xSkyripper> hello whyrusleeping
<xSkyripper> i'm having problems with ipfs on windows ...
<xSkyripper> mainly, no discovery for the respective node from other nodes and lots of error logs "access denied bitswap.go:322 - error writing block to datastore"
<whyrusleeping> xSkyripper: huh, no discovery is likely due to your NAT setup
<whyrusleeping> the access denied issues have come up before, but i'm never able to pin down what the cause was
<xSkyripper> the respective win10 no CAN see other ipfs nodes
<xSkyripper> but it cannot be seem from my linux machine
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<xSkyripper> node *
<whyrusleeping> wheres is your linux machine?
<xSkyripper> let me put this short: I tried different ways
<xSkyripper> the win10 machine is a laptop of a friend
<xSkyripper> and the linux machine is my laptop
<xSkyripper> we both connected in different ways: on the same router, me on the mobile hotspot and him on the route, both on the mobile hotspot
<whyrusleeping> mobile hotspots have no NAT traversal
<xSkyripper> and we cannot "see" each other in the ipfs swarm peers list
<xSkyripper> alright, but we tried on the same router
<xSkyripper> and still no result ..
<whyrusleeping> can you ping eachothers ip addresses when on the same router?
<xSkyripper> yes
<xSkyripper> hmmm
<whyrusleeping> does the router support multicast dns?
<xSkyripper> wait a second, he can ping me but i cannot ping him
<whyrusleeping> ah, could be a firewall issue?
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<xSkyripper> the firewall is down on his side (win10)
<xSkyripper> while we tested stuff i had 3 docker container connected on a internal bridge
<xSkyripper> could this be a problem ?
<whyrusleeping> hrm... was the ipfs node running in a docker container?
<xSkyripper> no
<xSkyripper> all the tests were run from the main local machine
<whyrusleeping> i have this tool: https://github.com/whyrusleeping/natest
<whyrusleeping> that tests your NAT setup using the same techniques as ipfs
<whyrusleeping> if you don't mind, try running it on both machines involves
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<xSkyripper> well the other machine has win10 and no go installed :-/
<whyrusleeping> ah
<xSkyripper> i'm installing it on mine right now
* whyrusleeping considers putting up natest bins on dist.ipfs.io
<xSkyripper> :D
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<whyrusleeping> NAT traversal has been the biggest time suck of this whole project
<whyrusleeping> we're working on adding relaying support as a way to just side step the whole thing
<xSkyripper> I can see now the reason
<xSkyripper> be right back, restarting my machine
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<xSkyripper> whyrusleeping: Creation of NAT Traversal mapping failed: no nat available
<whyrusleeping> xSkyripper: okay, so your router doesnt support upnp or NAT-PMP
<xSkyripper> hmm can you explain a little bit more ?
<whyrusleeping> Do you have comcast business or something?
<whyrusleeping> what sort of router are you using?
<xSkyripper> I'm still a bit noobish
<whyrusleeping> no worries
<xSkyripper> TP-LINK WR740N
<xSkyripper> with OpenWRT installed
<whyrusleeping> ah
<whyrusleeping> i was gonna say, i have like ten of those routers and they work fine by default
<whyrusleeping> with openwrt you have to manually enable nat traversal tools
<xSkyripper> aw so it's the custom OS installed faulty ?
<whyrusleeping> not faulty per se
<xSkyripper> just not automatically enabled UPNP right ?
<whyrusleeping> yeap
<whyrusleeping> they describe why on the page i linked
<whyrusleeping> its pretty easy to enable if you have access to the box
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<xSkyripper> let me see if I got this right: this protocol enables apps hosted on machines that are connected to the respective router to automatically open ports and forward them without user interaction ?
<BanJo[m]> Does it close them afterwards as well?
<xSkyripper> don't know that yet
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<whyrusleeping> the protocol allows apps to take a lease on a port
<whyrusleeping> it expires after a certain time period
<xSkyripper> alright I've just activated nat-pmp on my router
<xSkyripper> what may I do next ?
<xSkyripper> natest again ?
<whyrusleeping> Yeah, try natest again
<whyrusleeping> see if you've made it happy
<xSkyripper> :D alright
<whyrusleeping> if that works, then ipfs should work too
<xSkyripper> ipfs worked until now :-\
<whyrusleeping> <.<
<xSkyripper> don't know if I was clear enough XD
<xSkyripper> IPFS worked okay until now. The problem was between me and my friend using win10
<xSkyripper> I couldn't see him as a peer and he couldn't see me
<xSkyripper> both connected to the same router, with or without internet connectivity
<xSkyripper> my goal was to prove that IPFS works in a local network even without internet backbone
<Kubuxu> it does form our testing
<xSkyripper> worked for me too, using docker containers and internal bridge network
<xSkyripper> but not in the physical case using real machines ...
<xSkyripper> whyrusleeping: ran natest and everything seems fine now.
<whyrusleeping> xSkyripper: ah, you were testing the disconnected functionality
<whyrusleeping> well then, do you have multicast dns enabled?
<whyrusleeping> sorry, i misunderstood the goal here
<whyrusleeping> you'll want to enable this: https://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/zeroconf
<xSkyripper> okay, this discussion becomes a mess, may I explain again shortly ? :D
<xSkyripper> First things first: I began the tests with my goal being to proove that IPFS works on local networks even without iternet backbone
<xSkyripper> so I have my linux machine, a router and a friend's laptop running win8.1 (sorry about saying 10)
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<xSkyripper> I plugged out the internet cable from the router, both being connected on it wireless
<xSkyripper> We both started the daemons and ran ipfs swarm peers
<xSkyripper> but nothing showed up
<xSkyripper> so we plugged the internet cable back in the router and we restarted the daemons
<xSkyripper> we were able to see some peers (increasing with time) that we were both connected with
<xSkyripper> but not each other, even with the internet online
<xSkyripper> now the current question is: what's the reason for this ?
<whyrusleeping> xSkyripper: so, the reason that you were not able to find eachother *with* the backbone connected is because you did not have any NAT traversal set up
<whyrusleeping> the reason you were not able to see eachother in *either* case (internet or not) is because you likely do not have mdns enabled (Which is how ipfs nodes find eachother on LANs)
<whyrusleeping> having mdns enabled *should* allow your nodes to connect to eachother *on the same LAN* with or without internet
<xSkyripper> I see
<xSkyripper> another weird thing is that he can ping me
<xSkyripper> but i cannot ping him
<xSkyripper> and that doesn't have anything to do with IPFS
<whyrusleeping> Yeah
<whyrusleeping> I'm gonna work on adding more checks to natest to help diagnose more potential problems
<whyrusleeping> checking for mdns is one i hadnt thought of until now
<xSkyripper> should I try activating mdns ?
<whyrusleeping> Yeah, that *should* result in your two nodes being connected (within 5-10 seconds)
<gsf> xSkyripper: recent windows don't respond to ping unless you enable the Echo Request –ICMPv4 rule in Firewall
<xSkyripper> gsf: so the firewall completely off is not an option ,right ?
<xSkyripper> whyrusleeping: thanks ! i will try it right now
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<gsf> xSkyripper: it may respond when off, I'm not sure
<xSkyripper> gsf: it was off but the "public networks" firewall was still up, completely down now and pinging succesfully, thanks !
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<whyrusleeping> lemmi: thanks! Mind adding a really quick test?
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<lemmi> whyrusleeping: sure, but i wanted to make sure this approach is the way we want to play it
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<xSkyripper> so, the nodes discovery with the internet on is now okay ! i can see him and he can see me in the peers list
<xSkyripper> I think there's something about the windows public networks firewall ...
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<Magik6k> Q: Is there any way to ensure js-ipfs has connected to a peer after ipfs.swarm.connect other than waiting few ms and checking ipfs.swarm.peers? Callback seems to be called before that happens.
<whyrusleeping> Magik6k: hrm... it shouldnt return before the connection has completed. Otherwise that seems like an api bug
<xSkyripper> whyrusleeping: on my way to installing mdns on the routher I got some erros and i tried avahi. But i've no space left on the router's storage ...
<xSkyripper> anything to do about that ? :-\
<whyrusleeping> xSkyripper: uhm.... I'm not sure
<whyrusleeping> I havent dealt with openwrt for quite a while
<whyrusleeping> i'd try sshing into it and manually freeing up some space
<xSkyripper> Package mdns (2015-09-03-ae8773477c31b741ba8b47f8898e4c0a1c834b85) installed in root is up to date.
<xSkyripper> alright so the mdns is installed
<xSkyripper> but ..
<xSkyripper> ubus call mdns scan give me "command failed: not found"
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<Magik6k> Oh, it's called after the connection is in that node's swarm.peers but before it is in peer swarm.peers.. Is this still not supposed to happen?
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<JayCarpenter> Docs standup today?
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<xSkyripper> Does a wrt 740 n tp link router has mdns feature in its official firmware ?
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<xSkyripper> Anyone ?
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<kpcyrd[m]> xSkyripper (IRC): you might run into resource issues on routers unless your router is a server
<ronsor> yeah
<ronsor> I've had ipfs using 500+ MB of ram before
<kpcyrd[m]> Like, it should have multiple gb of ram
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<ronsor> Yes
<ronsor> exactly
<xSkyripper> kpcyrd[m]: well, i've already ran into "no space ..."
<xSkyripper> I just need mdns up for local discovery when there's no internet backbone
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<xSkyripper> so, is there any working method to enable lan nodes discovery, with or without mdns ?
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<musicmatze> Hey! I published a name with ipfs, but now it tells me that "Path Resolve error: Could not resolve name." if I go to ipfs.io/ipns/hash ... what's wrong here?
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<musicmatze> when I do `ipfs resolve` it also tells me that it cannot resolve the name
<achin> musicmatze: is your ipfs daemon still running?
<musicmatze> yes
<achin> what's your peerID? i'll try it from here
<musicmatze> I'm new to ipfs, can you tell me to find it?
<musicmatze> how to*
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<achin> "ipfs id"
<musicmatze> ah, and then the "ID" field? That's QmbAqsrbGRr8egwLSHTwum4QNsbzNTDbP4U6ZvBTKZEcRZ
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<achin> i resolved your ID to this hash: QmUNLLsPACCz1vLxQVkXqqLX5R1X345qqfHbsf67hvA3Nn
<achin> (which looks like an empty file, or an empty directdory)
<musicmatze> I published a site under /ipns/QmX95tkM6em8MP1SDs9Qae1G9YscqwozQJbX5rWTTYcJea/
<musicmatze> and it is there if I go to the ipfs hash directly: /ipfs/QmUeUvEePg1pwbBkTmsy4PM66BtzKHHPJe7YZfmSRLRkEa/
<achin> what command did you use to publish your site?
<Jupadr[m]> musicmatze: I also think you have to use "ipfs name resolve" and not "ipfs resolve"
<musicmatze> I used `ipfs name publish --key "blog" /ipfs/QmUeUvEePg1pwbBkTmsy4PM66BtzKHHPJe7YZfmSRLRkEa`
<musicmatze> Jupadr[m]: yields the same result: Error: Could not resolve name.
<achin> what was the output of that "ipfs name publish" command?
<achin> i want to know the hash for the "blog" key
<musicmatze> as far as I remember (did this on 01-04-17) the /ipns/ hash
<musicmatze> achin: how do I list the hash for keys?
<achin> ipfs key list -l
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<musicmatze> QmX95tkM6em8MP1SDs9Qae1G9YscqwozQJbX5rWTTYcJea
<achin> ok. i too cannot resolve that name
<achin> i recommend re-publishing
<musicmatze> hmmh... should I try to re-publish and we'll see what happens?
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<achin> yeah
<musicmatze> output: `Published to QmX95tkM6em8MP1SDs9Qae1G9YscqwozQJbX5rWTTYcJea: /ipfs/QmefDSDRcNyQUzNaVJnazQ7GpynjyEzPrdo1sdEk8ZLt8a`
<achin> cool. was your ipfs daemon offline since you published previously?
<musicmatze> yes
<achin> that's likely when it stopped workign
<musicmatze> it is on my notebook. I pinned the site on two VMs in the students cloud of my university as well... but I guess the ipns link was not resolved
<achin> ipns names are stored in the DHT, and if there's no node to continually refresh the data, it'll eventually get dropped
<musicmatze> can I somehow tell the other hosts to provide the ipns name?
<achin> no, i don't think so. that's probably coming later
<musicmatze> :-/
<musicmatze> okay, so my blog will be "offline" whenever my notebook has no internet connection, I assume?
<achin> right
<musicmatze> okay
<achin> another possibility is to add a dnslink TXT record to a dns domain name, and point directly to an ipfs hash (and not an ipns hash)
<musicmatze> hm okay... but probably not today! Thanks a lot for your help! I have to leave now! Have a nice day!
<achin> bye!
<Jupadr[m]> musicmatze: I want to point out that the links on your blog are absolute... every click gets you to the blog hosted on beyermatthias.de
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<Luis[m]> Hey guys. I have a website hosted using IPNS. I publish the new versions from my laptop using ipfs add -rq .dist | tail -n 1 | ipfs name publish
<Luis[m]> And then I have a server that recursively pins /ipns/{whatever}
<Luis[m]> And all the DNS records correctly set
<Luis[m]> But if I shut down my laptop IPFS daemon for a while, the server that I have with the IPNS record pinned loses its pin
<Luis[m]> Any idea what could be happening?
<cblgh> are you sure the server is actually pinning what you think it is?
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<musicmatze> Jupadr[m]: well, not on the newest version. The /ipfs/QmaZL7FnaBNjEiyzx294xwuTaggPc2oQo7Q4qtotk6qPac hash yes, but not on /ipfs/QmefDSDRcNyQUzNaVJnazQ7GpynjyEzPrdo1sdEk8ZLt8a which is the current version.
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<Luis[m]> @cblgh yes, just did ipfs pin ls | grep {hash}
<Luis[m]> and the IPFS entry is there
<Luis[m]> oh, just scrolled a little bit and read this by @achin
<Luis[m]> ipns names are stored in the DHT, and if there's no node to continually refresh the data, it'll eventually get dropped
<Luis[m]> damn it, that may be it
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<Jupadr[m]> musicmatze: It's still the same for me...
<Kubuxu> Luis[m]: pinning ipns hash might not work as expected
<musicmatze> Jupadr[m]: you mean you get links to the normal beyermatthias.de website on both hashes?
<Jupadr[m]> musicmatze: yes
<musicmatze> weird, for me, on https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmSbJGh86F4CMhHDfEroG8bjcrY8xf7eqW2w9XgveWDrAV/ it works as intended
<Jupadr[m]> That one works.
<musicmatze> :-)
<ansuz> hi Kubuxu
<Kubuxu> Hi, ansuz
<ansuz> I drew a picture for you
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<Kubuxu> <#
<Kubuxu> <3
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<ansuz> <#
<absullivan[m]> Jupadr, I just saw your name in the Orbit demo. My nickname on it was Ricky Bobby. :) Hey, is there a great danger of malicious code on ipfs? Are users worried about that?
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<absullivan[m]> @Jupadr
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<Jupadr[m]> I don't think so. Ipfs is only about storing data, not executing it. And you only store data that you request...
<absullivan[m]> OK, that sounds reassuring. Thanks.
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<absullivan[m]> Everything is traceable, too, at least at the moment, isn't it?
<absullivan[m]> @Jupadr see above. Thanks again.
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<Jupadr[m]> From what I understand the id of the original uploader is not stored, so you can only see who provided you the data... I am a noob myself. Maybe someone else can get you a better answer. sorry
<ansuz> > 15:56 < absullivan[m]> Everything is traceable, too, at least at the moment, isn't it?
<ansuz> don't do illegal things
<ansuz> illegal things are bad
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<xSkyripper> After 5 hours of struggle, I found out that peer discovery is faulty between a linux machine and a windows machine.
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<xSkyripper> Peer discovery not working alone when there's no internet connectivity. When there is internet connectivity, the chances to "see" each other in the swarm peers list is very low.
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<xSkyripper> not working at all *
<timthelion[m]> Is there a way to use ipfs as a primary http(s) server? I can redirect using lighttpd or something so that / -> /<hash>/ but it would be interesting if you could set a "default hash" for ipfs to serve, and then update your website by changing that hash...
<fil_redpill> that's the role of ipns
<xSkyripper> Isn't that the job of ipns ?
<xSkyripper> you add the updated data with and publish it to your peer ID
<xSkyripper> with add *
<fil_redpill> :p
<xSkyripper> the peer id remains unchanged as long as you do not delete the local repo
<xSkyripper> am I right ? :P
<timthelion[m]> Does ipns exist yet? It wasn't clear to me...
<xSkyripper> yes
<fil_redpill> ja
<xSkyripper> check "ipfs name --help"
<timthelion[m]> And I don't have to be a bitcoin millionare to use it or any such nonsense?
<xSkyripper> xD IPFS is supposed to be free and open source
<xSkyripper> as far as I know
<timthelion[m]> Magik6k: it seems I've come to the right place. Thanks for leading me there.
<xSkyripper> from the easiness of development point of you, do you guys think it's easier to develop an app on IPFS using the core implementation or the API ?
<xSkyripper> point of view *
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<absullivan[m]> @ansuz I'm afraid that I had no intention of doing illegal, bad things. I want to avoid them!
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<absullivan[m]> @ansuz thanks.
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<keorn> I am trying to replicate the hash that go-ipfs returns. I have a file with hexdump `41 42 43 0a` and I get QmdD8BajbDMwGx3oAr6KW6FUiu4U57pCjMfvb625sSn1cX, but if I use SHA2 256 I get QmfRNjST8wDbY43E9uDJ4pA3UArdMJD5HSoPV4tBTg3KqG
<keorn> Any special sauce that go-ipfs uses to hash a file? I use rust-crypto + rust-cid to get the v0 hash of bytes.
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<whyrusleeping> keorn: theres framing around files
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<keorn> thanks!
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