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<deltab> ShalokShalom_: it's not enough just to compile it; it's written to use OS APIs that aren't available in the browser
<deltab> maybe with node as a platform; but it's experimental stuff anyway
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<TheGuyWho> Hey everyone! Hows it going?
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<trqx> is there any existing solution to ipfs watch a folder? (wait for changes then re-add and publish automatically) besides scripting inotify, ipfs add and ipfs publish?
<trqx> and would frequent changes (for instance 50 name publish per day) be a problem for the nodes or network?
<trqx> I mean, if every ipfs user did that kind of frequent update
<trqx> also, what would be a way to link my ipns to my gpg identity?
<trqx> I guess signing with gpg my ipns hash then publish it
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<voker57> frequent changes shouldn't be a problem
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<crankylinuxuser> greetings all. I asked earlier yesterday but had to leave. Is there any good documentation for the (experimental) pubsub material? I looked, and found very little.
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<trqx> voker57 ty!
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<gmun12> can we write a file to IPFS directly from the browser by using your gateway?
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<gmun12> without me having to run a IPFS node
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<SchrodingersScat> whose gateway?
<crankylinuxuser> im guessing probably the ipfs.io primary gateway
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<r0kk3rz> gmun12: thats not really how ipfs works, you can share files, you dont really 'write' files
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<crankylinuxuser> yeah, all hashes exist; they just don't all have data found for them yet :)
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<gmun12> Ok, I'll try to re-phrase my question
<gmun12> my web app wants to put a file into the main IPFS network, can I use the ipfs.io primary gateway to do it within the browser itself? Or will I have to run my own IPFS node to do it
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<lidel> any windows/mac users? I wonder how "native Firefox style" looks like: https://github.com/lidel/ipfs-firefox-addon/releases/tag/v2.0.0alpha4 (screenshots show GTK at Linux)
<whyrusleeping> lidel: i can poke someone who has a mac
<lidel> Thx, just want to make sure there are no issues with things like “HiDPI on retina screens” etc
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<nannal> Like that?
<crankylinuxuser> whyrusleeping: I have a mac assigned to me from work. its a 2016 mac pro. what're you needing testing?
<whyrusleeping> crankylinuxuser: oh, by 'poke a person with a mac' i meant physically poke the person sitting next to me, lol
<crankylinuxuser> hehe :)
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<whyrusleeping> thanks though :)
<whyrusleeping> crankylinuxuser: on your question about pubsub documentation, there isnt much
<whyrusleeping> but i did write up a blog post that we havent pushed out yet
<crankylinuxuser> Ok. I was curious how it was being transmitted. Is it per the pubkey/topic /
<whyrusleeping> its per topic
<crankylinuxuser> so, a global namespace/topic ?
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<whyrusleeping> what do you mean?
<Gratin[m]> are incentives planned for ipfs?
<crankylinuxuser> So if Im on machine with ipfs public key A, transmitting topic Q and data X.. how do I subscribe to that from another machine?
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<crankylinuxuser> So if I'm on machine B, do I do something like /ipfs/machine_A_key/topic/#
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<crankylinuxuser> I'm coming much more from the MQTT and AMQT side of things, and not nearly as much from the P2P side.
<r0kk3rz> Gratin[m]: read up on filecoin
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<crankylinuxuser> Ahhh, I understand better now. So it's a shared pubsub similar to a global instance of Mosquitto. Any peer can publish, and any peer can subscribe. But data only travels as far as whomever has the experimental flag set, and only to orthogonal peers.
<timthelion[m]> Is there some way, other than requesting something from a gateway directly, to request that the gateway mirror your content?
<timthelion[m]> I'm fine if the mirror has to be configured to do that.
<timthelion[m]> The thing is, that I'm writting a program ttthat lets you create "audio essays" by recording little snippets of sound. And I want to allow people to publish the audio essays usng IPFS. This already works, but I have to manually pin my stuff and my friends cannot use my gateway without manually visiting their essays on my server before going offline...
<timthelion[m]> Of course i could just make my program do an http request to my gateway, but that seems to mean dowloading the adio which the publisher already has.
<whyrusleeping> it doesnt pin anything, but it causes the gateway to fetch the content and sends you less than all the data back
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<timthelion[m]> Aha, well I don't actually want to pin the things, because then my server would get full, I'd prefer to have some kind of intuitive lazy garbage collection ;)
<timthelion[m]> But perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself/dreaming.
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<whyrusleeping> Yeah, so that api call i posted should do what you want
<jack> are there any caveats I should know about with ipv6 addresses? I am getting 'protocol not supported' errors just after 'NewStreamWithPeer' is called for peerinfos where ipv6 is the working address. At least, I think ipv6 is the common factor in the failing peerinfos
<whyrusleeping> jack: hrm... what version of ipfs are you using?
<whyrusleeping> there was an issue a little while back that i think i fixed
<jack> I'm importing libp2p libraries, how could I work that out?
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<whyrusleeping> jack: hrm... try setting IPFS_REUSEPORT to false
<whyrusleeping> and see if the problem still happens
<jack> as an env var?
<whyrusleeping> yeah
<whyrusleeping> (should be LIBP2P_REUSEPORT by now, but we've never gotten around to changing it)
<jack> ok, I did export 'export IPFS_REUSEPORT=false' and I don't think it's fixed
<jack> im on v1.6.13 of libp2p-swarm, if that helps
<jack> I think 'protocol not supported' comes from the multistream library
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<crankylinuxuser> there's also been some really weird shit going on with L3 regarding IP6. We've been fighting with it on our servers and some of our clients.
<crankylinuxuser> If you can, try making a temp tunnel to Hurricane Electric's 4->6 bone and see if that helps
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<whyrusleeping> jack: ah, then that is a problem with whatever application youre writing
<whyrusleeping> what are you trying to do?
<jack> I'm just sending a message using newstream, nothing complicated
<whyrusleeping> on what protocol and to who?
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<jack> using the OpenBazaar protocol, to an OpenBazaar node running go-ipfs. The vast majority of messages sent in this way go through fine, but ipv6 seems to cause problems
<jack> The node is definitely online, and I even seem to be able to send ipfs pings to it, which is maybe the most confusing part
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<whyrusleeping> and when do you get the protocol not supported message?
<whyrusleeping> is it returned from the NewStream call?
<whyrusleeping> or is it somewhere in the logs?
<jack> its returned from newstream I think
<jack> i sometimes get 'basichost: protocol EOF: <peer.ID SmtSdu> (took 823.85681ms) basic_host.go:129
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<jack> '
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<jack> in the logs
<jack> slightly tangential, but how can I disable the dial backoff?
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<jack> whyrusleeping: and how could I increase the context timeout on dial attempts; I have a peer with about 25 addresses in the dht, and it doesnt manage to attempt them all before timeout
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<whyrusleeping> jack: how are you initiating the dial?
<whyrusleeping> for dials via `ipfs swarm connect` we clear the dial backoff before attempting a dial: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/blob/master/core/commands/swarm.go#L345
<jack> whyrusleeping: NewStream called on basichost
<whyrusleeping> jack: and what context do you pass to that?
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<jack> a background context. no deadline.
<whyrusleeping> ah, i see it now
<whyrusleeping> go-libp2p-swarm.DialTimeout
<jack> ok I'll try setting that higher, thanks
<whyrusleeping> no problem
<whyrusleeping> jack: other question, those 25 addresses your peer has
<whyrusleeping> are they addresses with ports in the ephemeral range?
<jack> I'm not sure what range that is
<jack> way more than 25 actually lol
<whyrusleeping> yeah, they are
<whyrusleeping> thats on my todo list to fix
<jack> can you explain what problem that would cause?
<whyrusleeping> it causes exactly the problem youre experiencing
<whyrusleeping> dials taking forever
<whyrusleeping> because you have to try all the crap addresses
<jack> in what sense are they crap addresses, are they local or something?
<whyrusleeping> tcp ports in the ephemeral range are almost never dialable
<whyrusleeping> they are just the listener side view of the dialers address
<jack> oh I see, ok great that explains a lot
<jack> thanks!
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<whyrusleeping> no problem :)
<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: it might be worth checking if they are possible to dial
<Kubuxu> or other way: add them to our addrs list only if multiple peers report the same address we don't know about
<Kubuxu> this should work ^^
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<kpcyrd> whyrusleeping: there's a some noise in there, but I think some of those could be valid: https://goreportcard.com/report/github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs
<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: so resueport doesn't work on IPv6, not sure how much of an issue it is
<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: we already only add addresses if multiple peers see them
<whyrusleeping> the problem is that its such a small space, the probability of that happening is quite high
<whyrusleeping> and we don't need to check if they are possible to dial
<whyrusleeping> if someone explicitly chooses to listen on that port, it circumvents the 'observed address detection'
<Kubuxu> so what causes those addresses to show up in dht? Who puts them, the listening node or remote?
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<whyrusleeping> They are advertised by the peer they are for
<whyrusleeping> We could also bump the requirement from two sightings to three
<Kubuxu> yeah, that would reduce the collision rate by factor of 1/20e3 or something
<Kubuxu> even to 4 might be good
<Kubuxu> also we save to seen by with a key that is IP or other network identification but we don't use it
<Kubuxu> I will PR the fixes for it
<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: should I bump it to 3 or 4?
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<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: hrm... could do 4.
<whyrusleeping> That should be fine
<Kubuxu> also it has 10min ttl which is a bit long but let's see how it works with those settings
<Kubuxu> oh wait
<Kubuxu> but it is ttl of the whole address not minimum time we need to observe N events
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<lemmi> what about scaling the value of needed peers with the number of peers available
<kodo[m]> is linked data resolution built into ipfs yet or is that just theory stuff?
* kodo[m] is experimenting building social network using ipfs/bash
<kodo[m]> also, does anyone know how to get key hash from name in keystore?
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<whyrusleeping> kodo[m]: ipld is in go-ipfs
<whyrusleeping> kodo[m]: ipfs key list -l
<kodo[m]> thanks
<kodo[m]> whyrusleeping: how do i use ipld?
* kodo[m] googles for docs
<whyrusleeping> kodo[m]: what do you want to do?
<kodo[m]> whyrusleeping: 1) learn structure of ipld file, 2) learn how to crawl those links
<whyrusleeping> the 'ipfs dag' subcommand is most of the place you'll interact
<kodo[m]> any docs on 'dag' nodes?
<kodo[m]> TIL you can --help on multiple commands i.e. ipfs dag put --help
<whyrusleeping> yeah, --help works for every command
<whyrusleeping> and there are docs on ipld dag stuff... i'm just having trouble finding them
<whyrusleeping> kodo[m]: but in general, you can write ipld objects in json, and use '{"/": "HASH"}' wherever you want to link to something
<whyrusleeping> then just add them to ipfs with ipfs dag put
<kodo[m]> im reading https://github.com/ipld/specs/tree/master/ipld right now
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<kodo[m]> [tyler@tyler-pc ~]$ ipfs dag put friends.json
<kodo[m]> Error: selected encoding not supported
<kodo[m]> dafuq
<whyrusleeping> ipfs version ?
<kodo[m]> this is friends.json `{"friends": [{"test": {"/": "/ipns/QmXPbqcrq6mKK9Xwp5GMWtLRShKL9XkpPHf8h5Lv1CMitB"}}]}`
<whyrusleeping> oh, you can't link to ipns
<whyrusleeping> and just put a hash in there, not a path
<kodo[m]> 0.4.8
<kodo[m]> can't link to ipns? dafuq
<kodo[m]> sad panda
<whyrusleeping> it wouldnt be an immutable path if you could
<Kubuxu> whyrusleeping: funny, the ObservedAddresses test doesn't work
<whyrusleeping> Kubuxu: oh?
<Kubuxu> the Addrs function could return nil always and it would still pass the test :p
<kodo[m]> ah good point
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<kodo[m]> there a way to resolve key by local name?
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<whyrusleeping> kodo[m]: check ipfs name resolve --help
<whyrusleeping> i think theres a --key flag, but i don't remember off the top of my head
<kodo[m]> whyrusleeping: thanks
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<kodo[m]> ```
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<kodo[m]> There a way to add file to ipfs and publish with ipns key in same command?
<frood> kodo: yes, but the command is a mess of piping and has some awk :)
<kodo[m]> yeah i just made this gem
<kodo[m]> path=$(ipfs add $1|cut -d " " -f2)
<kodo[m]> ipfs name publish --key=$2 $path
<frood> TMP=`ipfs add $FILE_PATH | awk '{printf $2}'` && ipfs name publish $TMP
<kodo[m]> i use lowercase for vars because im lazy and it's too much effotr to reach for shift key :P
<kodo[m]> effort*
<frood> how do you live with yourself?
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<dgrisham> whyrusleeping Kubuxu: hey, quick bitswap question
<dgrisham> based on the output of `ipfs bitswap ledger <peerid>`, it looks like the ledger doesn't store the number of bytes sent to the peer (it's always 0)
<dgrisham> but the received updates as it should
<dgrisham> is that how it should be?
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<Kubuxu> it probably should update the number of bytes sent
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