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<whyrusleeping> What features/improvements do people want to see the most?
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<emunand[m]> not making my connection to ipfs drop to 0 peers after reaching 400
<achin> in ipfs in general?
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<emunand[m]> jokes aside, maybe quicker download speeds with --no-copy files
<whyrusleeping> achin: yeah
<whyrusleeping> emunand[m]: does that actually happen to you? (the peers thing)
<achin> hmmm good question!
<whyrusleeping> emunand[m]: also, care to elaborate more on the no copy thing?
<emunand[m]> yes, i have no idea why though
<emunand[m]> i've tried disabling nat lookup, and it still happens
<whyrusleeping> emunand[m]: what sort of router do you have?
<emunand[m]> i used to have a netgear router, but now i used the one provided to me by at&t
<whyrusleeping> as far as download speed goes, i'm working on this: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3867
<whyrusleeping> emunand[m]: hrm... It could be a conntracker table issue
<whyrusleeping> i wish i had a way to diagnose that better
<emunand[m]> maybe
<emunand[m]> i've reported it before too, but it was closed quickly
<SchrodingersScat> whyrusleeping: acd
<whyrusleeping> closed quickly? mind linking me the issue?
<whyrusleeping> SchrodingersScat: acd?
<whyrusleeping> oh
<whyrusleeping> the amazon cloud thing
<whyrusleeping> lol
<SchrodingersScat> yessssss
<emunand[m]> probably should of reopened it now that i think about it
<whyrusleeping> ah, does disabling mdns not actually resolve your problem?
<emunand[m]> not anymore
<whyrusleeping> hrm...
<whyrusleeping> Its likely https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/3320 then
<whyrusleeping> The fix for that that we're betting on is getting QUIC (udp based transport) working
<whyrusleeping> reusing the same UDP port should help... i tihnk
<emunand[m]> ill try connecting my old router and using my provided one as a bridge and see if that works
<whyrusleeping> emunand[m]: Yeah, trying things and reporting back is always useful
<whyrusleeping> more data is always better
<SchrodingersScat> whyrusleeping: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/3883
<emunand[m]> oh yeah, and a way to turn off the daemon through the command line
<emunand[m]> like for example: "ipfs daemon shutdown"
<SchrodingersScat> whyrusleeping: I've never used github before, did I do it right?
<emunand[m]> could be useful to stop ipfs when it is running in the background for average users and can help the person who ported ipfs to android to stop the daemon whenever you want
<whyrusleeping> SchrodingersScat: LGTM
<SchrodingersScat> lgtm?
<whyrusleeping> emunand[m]: oh yeah, that would be good
<whyrusleeping> looks good to me
<SchrodingersScat> great
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<whyrusleeping> SchrodingersScat: man, you are determined
* SchrodingersScat wants to pin the world
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<emunand[m]> i dont blame you
<emunand[m]> im already starting it by mirroring my favorite sites to ipfs
<emunand[m]> with their permission, of course
<whyrusleeping> here, ipfs shutdown command: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3884
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<emunand[m]> i had a website up, but its on my computer so i cannot get it from my phone
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<achin> huh neat, you just ask whyrusleeping for a feature and 60 minutes later he implements it :D
<whyrusleeping> to be fair, i went on a walk for half an hour first
<whyrusleeping> :D
<achin> maybe it took half an hour to write in your head and then another half hour to transcribe into golang
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<whyrusleeping> thats very likely
<whyrusleeping> the writing code part is always the easiest bit
<lgierth> git st
<emunand[m]> i thought i was the only one to do that
<emunand[m]> glad i am not alone
<lgierth> ah hello. how did i stumble into this terminal
<whyrusleeping> lgierth: On branch fix/lgierths-terminal
<lgierth> excellent
<whyrusleeping> emunand[m]: oh yeah, i spend far more time thinking about code than actually typing it out
<achin> whyrusleeping: what's else needs to be done to move pubsub out of "experimental" stage?
<whyrusleeping> drastically so
<whyrusleeping> achin: uhm... authenticated messages will be one thing thats needed
<whyrusleeping> I'm also thinking that adding an 'answer' type message will be helpful
<emunand[m]> what is pubsub supposed to be for?
<whyrusleeping> and finalizing the api is fairly required before its no longer 'experimental'
<whyrusleeping> emunand[m]: anything
<emunand[m]> something like private torrent trackers?
<achin> i guess the thing that interests me is when might it be "on-by-default" and not hidden behind --enable-pubsub-experiment
<whyrusleeping> achin: maybe in the next one or two versions
<achin> cool
<whyrusleeping> definitely need to have signed messages first
<whyrusleeping> or at least the option to have signed messages
<achin> that'll allow each subscriber to know who sent the message?
<whyrusleeping> yeah
<achin> nice
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<zignig> whyrusleeping: is there going to be set-data commands for mfs ?
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<pjz> whyrusleeping: is ipfs still dying oom for you?
<deltab> emunand[m]: I'm thinking things like blogging, Twitter/Mastodon, broadcast video streams, chat, etc.
<deltab> database replication
<emunand[m]> the desc reminds me of usenet because you subscribe to a topic
* deltab nods
<deltab> but it should be a bit quicker than usenet :-)
<emunand[m]> maybe we can have a distributed cached usenet
<deltab> sure
<emunand[m]> id love to see that happen
<deltab> well, wasn't that how usenet started out?
<kythyria[m]> Wasn't usenet originally made of distributed caching? :P
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<achin> where's the best documentation for the daemon web api?
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<whyrusleeping> pjz: i get OOM on my 1GB vps occasionally
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<SchrodingersScat> do you dream in electric code?
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<emunand[m]> i remember hearing about a guy who woke from a coma and started speaking in code
<SchrodingersScat> I hope it was a respectable language
<emunand[m]> also yeah, i am pretty sure usenet was distributed
<emunand[m]> but this could bring usenet back from the dead
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<SchrodingersScat> what?
<kevina> whyrusleeping: is the "daemon" command special, its not listed under rootSubcommands
<whyrusleeping> Yeah, its treated specially for some reason
<whyrusleeping> likely due to security or "you don't need an API for that" reasons
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<whyrusleeping> i didnt originally work on that bit of the codebase
<SchrodingersScat> there's --enable-gc
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<whyrusleeping> flags are one thing, subcommands are another
<whyrusleeping> the daemon command is accessible through the api
<whyrusleeping> and as a result, neither are any of its subcommands
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: so that why you could not do a "ipfs daemon stop"?
<kevina> I was thinking the daemon command could just read its arguments and if it was "stop" then stop the daemon instead of starting it
<whyrusleeping> one would assume
<SchrodingersScat> you know what they say about assuming
<whyrusleeping> my grandpa never missed an opportunity to tell me
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: so you are saying that would be difficult since you can't even access to daemon command through the api?
<whyrusleeping> yes
<kevina> ok, got you, "shutdown" it is
<SchrodingersScat> I can't repeat what my grandfather told me because I was told to keep it family friendly, ironically.
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<whyrusleeping> has everyone seen the new libp2p website?
<whyrusleeping> https://libp2p.io
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<musoke[m]> whyrusleeping: looks good!
<musoke[m]> I see that rust is in progress... where would i look for the latest? was thinking that kad might be a fun project to learn rust
<whyrusleeping> good question... i'm not sure where thats happening at
<musoke[m]> maybe dignifiedquire would know, looks like they did multihash and multiaddr
<whyrusleeping> he should be awake in a few hours
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<toppler> Apologies for the dumb question. Is content served out of https://ipfs.io still all coming out of the one server, or is there some magic JS that lets me get content peer-to-peer?
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<kythyria[m]> That's a gateway, afaik, not hosting a JS IPFS client.
<kythyria[m]> (and your browser will think that it's one server. This is surprisingly awkward to fix and has a number of potential problems)
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<toppler> kythyria[m]: Ah, guessed as much. Do you know if there an issue about this I can read up on?
<kythyria[m]> Well, the problem with it all being one origin is known, and there's a browser javascript flavour of IPFS. IDK if there's particular github issues to watch
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<gde33> kythyria[m]: make it work with zeronet :P
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<emunand[m]> could i2p support be a possibility?
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<SchrodingersScat> emunand[m]: that would be neat as well
<SchrodingersScat> emunand[m]: would be easy to host a gateway for them if you wanted.
<emunand[m]> how would i? redirect the gateway through i2p addresses
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<emunand[m]> or do some weird trickery
<SchrodingersScat> for a gateway like https://ipfs.io/ipfs/ wouldn't you only need to host it like their version of a hidden service?
<SchrodingersScat> eepsite?
<emunand[m]> but what about connecting to ipfs nodes with i2p, like tor?
<SchrodingersScat> last i heard there were some reasons that it wouldn't only want to connect through tor yet, but yeah, that would be a thing to do.
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<kevina> whyrusleeping: could use your help with https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/3855
<kevina> not sure what is going on, at the moment it looks like a problem with the go http libraries
<whyrusleeping> kevina: i'm pretty sure its a problem with how we're using the http libs
<whyrusleeping> check commands/http/client.go
<whyrusleeping> thats where it should be returning the error to
<whyrusleeping> i think
<kevina> whyrusleeping: I am there, the reader is being created with NewMultiFileReader and then passed to the http libraries with http.NewRequest
<kevina> not sure what the correct error path is, the client is the one with the error, but I think the client passes the error to the server, then the sever passes it back to the client
<kevina> so there is a round trip
<walle303[m]> Neat, the new libp2p website looks good
<kevina> whyrusleeping: actually that is not what is happening, when the permission denied is being returned the client just aborts
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<kevina> c.httpClient.Do(httpReq) returns an error in Send (in client.go) and then Send returns the error on the client side
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<kevina> when the error does not go through it seams c.httpClient.Do never gets a chance to return with the error because the server aborts first
<kevina> I hope this makes sense, still not sure how to fix it
<kevina> whyrusleeping: ^
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<whyrusleeping> Yeah, that sounds more right
<whyrusleeping> why does the server abort first?
<whyrusleeping> is this just a sort of race condition?
<kevina> I guess, really not sure
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<kevina> basically on the case when the error does not go though MultiFileReader is still returning an error, but the sever aborts before any code in client.Send gets to see the error
<kevina> whyrusleeping: any hints on debugging this will be helpful
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<whyrusleeping> Heh, a hint would imply i knew what was happening. But if i were debugging this, I would try and see why the server is aborting, and try delaying that to see if it makes the error come through more reliably
<kevina> whyrusleeping: that is in the the go http libraries as far as I can tell
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<whyrusleeping> no, the server connection shouldnt abort randomly. Its something that we're calling to do that
<whyrusleeping> otherwise go http connections everywhere would just randomly break
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<kevina> I am really clueless then, as far as I can tell we are doing everything right
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<kevina> whyrusleeping, Kubuxu: also I think there is some confusion on https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/3843 (a different p.r.) it not ready for review yet
<kevina> just want to know if you like the output, then I will fix the rest
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<emunand[m]> have you guys seen c-ipfs
<emunand[m]> forgot the question mark
<emunand[m]> some guy is working on a full ipfs api compatible version of ipfs in c
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<Guest219968[m]> herro
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<whyrusleeping> emunand[m]: yeah, i've been watching kencode
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<emunand[m]> hmm, mdns routing didn't help at all, only seemed to worsen it
<emunand[m]> now i can only connect to 200 nodes instead of 400
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<whyrusleeping> emunand[m]: mdns should be turned off if your router is having trouble
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<emunand[m]> yes, but even with it off, i still disconnect from all my nodes once i reach 400 of them
<whyrusleeping> emunand[m]: is there any way to get any logs from your router?
<whyrusleeping> or any other information
<whyrusleeping> also, try running the daemon with --routing=dhtclient
<emunand[m]> no, my router doesn't seem to have a log on it
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<emunand[m]> but i could run a local log since it's only my connection that gets removed
<whyrusleeping> hrm... i'm interested in seeing what your router says when your connections drop
<emunand[m]> alright, i will see what i can do
<whyrusleeping> whats likely happening is youre crashing some part in your router that is dealing with tracking your outbound connections
<whyrusleeping> no worries if you cant, we know generally what the solution should be
<emunand[m]> i have a couple of options for my logs here, and they are event logs, system logs, and firewall logs
<emunand[m]> i think system logs could be useful because it says that it encountered an "invalid argument" when my connection dropped
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<emunand[m]> "drop unknown incoming packet" also looks suspicious
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<emunand[m]> huh, dhtclient option seemed to have fixed my disconnection for now
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<Guest70992> Hi guys I'm new to IPFS, I had an old machine A with identity A that got wipe. Can I get my identity back by forcing the "ipfs init" command to reuse my old identity A(hashkey)
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<whyrusleeping> Guest70992: do you have the config file from the old machine?
<Guest70992> I can probably get it
<Guest70992> what do I do with it?
<whyrusleeping> you can run `ipfs init configfile`
<whyrusleeping> to initialize a new node with the same config file
<whyrusleeping> including identity
<Guest70992> thanks a lot @whyrusleeping :) you are a lifesaver!
<Guest70992> @whyrusleeping one more question
<Guest70992> is it possible to have 2+ nodes initialized with the same config file?
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<whyrusleeping> you shouldnt run two nodes with the same ID
<whyrusleeping> weird things happen
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