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<galois_dmz>
Anybody around? Got a quick question about private swarms: how do hosts in private swarms discover each other? Do you have to manually bootstrap them somehow or do they use the regular bootstrap servers but only communicate within the private swarm?
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<galois_dmz>
OK. That's pretty much what I figured. That is actually how I was "simulating" private swarms before - empty all the nodes' bootstrap lists, then point them to a single one of the nodes. But of course there's the potential for them to be discovered by other nodes and unwittingly added to the global IPFS network in that case.
<galois_dmz>
So essentially, the current private swarm functionality is just a way of preventing that potential discovery from happening.
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<brendyn>
galois_dmz: the tricky thing about private swarms is that it is trivial for any one node to connect to a public node if it chooses to and then all of a sudden it is not private anymore
<brendyn>
i suppose each node would have to block everything except a whitelist of ips
<galois_dmz>
Right. But that's not the case if you're actually using a swarm key. Namely, the "private swarm" functionality I was referring to above.
<brendyn>
i really feel like ipfs is the Right Thing but i also think the privacy issues can't be ignored. this is an open DHT where everyone can be monitored to an even greater degree than the HTTP internet
<galois_dmz>
Indeed.
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<brendyn>
Do you know anything about GNUnet? I tried to understand it by watching some talks on youtube but it seems so complicated. i don't know if it can do what ipfs can or not
<galois_dmz>
I know a reasonable amount about it; we considered it for the project that we're currently using IPFS for. It's far more complicated, unnecessarily so - but definitely has strong privacy protections as an integral part of its design.
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<galois_dmz>
I have to say that my experiments with it did not leave a good taste in my mouth.
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<brendyn>
I see. I'm trying to see if there is any project yet that would be a candidate for fixing the internet, providing end-to-end encryption under everything
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<galois_dmz>
I think "fixing the Internet" is a bit of a harder job than just providing end-to-end encryption under everything. Plus, even if you could provide end-to-end encryption under everything, you'd still have massive key management problems.
<galois_dmz>
It would be nice to have the option of end-to-end for most things though.
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<lemmi>
i wasn't able to set the Ipns.RecordLifte in the config
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<BanJo[m]>
I have an old computer I want to set up with full ipfs running, which OS would you recommend? Doesn't really matter I guess, but just curious
<achin>
how about some type of linux?
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<achin>
in general, linux works quite well on older hardware
<musicmatze>
BanJo[m]: I would go with linux. You don't need a graphical user interface, so something like arch, nixos, debian,... will do. Use the minimal install iso available for your distro of choice and install everything you need :-)
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<dgrisham>
does anyone here use/develop the beets ipfs plugin?
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<cblgh>
dgrisham: what's it do?
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<dgrisham>
cblgh: allows querying/sharing of beets libraries. it's not completely up to date right now, but I think it's usable/I can hack my way around the one feature that isn't working
<Forkk>
it seems like IPFS nodes running in docker are extremely slow to download small files
<Forkk>
I've had this problem on my system, the production server, and now a friend is telling me he has the same issue
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<SchrodingersScat>
haven't tested speeds myself, could it be that DHT ect takes longer than the file transfer so it adds overhead with a bunch of small files?
<SchrodingersScat>
or this doesn't happen in non-docker?
<Forkk>
there's no problem outside of docker
<Forkk>
and I'm not sure about that, but it takes an extremely long time to pin a single file
<Forkk>
when I start up an ipfs node on the host system, it downloads a lot faster (as expected, I suppose)
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<dgrisham>
Forkk: how long are files taking to download? I just tried running `ipfs cat` on the same file on both a docker instance and server at my house, and they seemed to take similar time (but I was shortsighted enough to not time it)
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<dgrisham>
Forkk: finding the correct peer (my laptop) took some time, after the peering started though the rest of the downloads were fast
<Forkk>
that may be the issue
<Forkk>
let me try
<Forkk>
hmm it seems to be fine now
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<Forkk>
dgrisham, all of the downloads are slow in this case, not just the first
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<dgrisham>
Forkk: interesting, I'm not sure. I can send you the Dockerfile I used to set mine up, though I'm not sure how much that'll help
<dgrisham>
Forkk: you can also ensure that a connection is being established with the peer `ipfs swarm connect <peerid>`
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<Magik6k>
So I did a serverless shared whiteboard thing(recommend opening dev console and typing `ipfs.node$1.swarm.connect("/libp2p-webrtc-star/dns4/star-signal.cloud.ipfs.team/wss/ipfs/QmPziHeM9wmXy1WmQKDqbThyz8qisQcNkgG1xx6VYd3qUU")`, it has more bugs than lines of code)
<Codebird>
dgrisham: The crude one I made is mostly just a demonstration, but it is functional. And it is hosted on IPFS. You do, however, need to enable writable in the go-ipfs config.
<xSkyripper>
so it doesn't need a repo folder to be stored locally somewhere ?
<Magik6k>
It stores data in IndexedDB
<Codebird>
(this is the only reason it won't work on ipfs.io)
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<xSkyripper>
Magik6k: so you just instantiate it and that's it ?