<jbenet>
timthelion[m] been meaning to make one, called .car -- (certified archive), but not yet
<timthelion[m]>
@jbenet : cool. When I used venti for backing up, I really missed the fact that if you have a file tree with a bunch of vacs in it, there was no way to "recursively pin/checkout"
<timthelion[m]>
It would be nice if ipld was "car" aware, and there was a way to do partial "ipfs get"s
<timthelion[m]>
that a car would be stored in ipld with an actual ipld link so that pinning a folder with a car in it would pin the contents of the car as well.
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<jbenet>
timthelion[m] yeah those are goals :) would love to get to this soon. i'm super slammed with other things-- if you have interest in pushing this lmk and can point you to things
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<timthelion[m]>
We'll see who gets to it first. I'm not going to do it imediately but maybe in the next couple of weeks.
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<PureTryOut[m]>
hey people, I'm learning about ipfs. it definitely looks promising. I was wondering: in the future, will there be a possibility of hosting proper webapps with a database and such?
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<PureTryOut[m]>
or any service with some kind of database really
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<lime_>
this seems awesome
<lime_>
is it stable
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<emunand[m]>
lime_: it's still a beta, but is stable
<lime_>
I live on unstable beta
<lime_>
well
<lime_>
stable ish beta
<lime_>
how else does one report bugs
<emunand[m]>
well, i guess you could compile the latest build everyday if you want
<lime_>
I am rolling my own distro currently, I want to make it part of the core functionality
<emunand[m]>
or you can wait for a release canidate
<lime_>
linux libre style
<emunand[m]>
a full foss distro?
<lime_>
full foss
<emunand[m]>
well, latest builds are included into the arch linux repository
<emunand[m]>
or snap, but i have never used it before
<lime_>
I'm considering flatpak
<lime_>
seems the most advanced of them all
<lime_>
it amazes me how much quicker things compile when you just do raw
<lime_>
gcc in 15 minutes on a dual core pentium
<PureTryOut[m]>
I was wondering: in the future, will there be a possibility of hosting proper webapps with a database and such? Or any service with some kind of database really
<emunand[m]>
PureTryOut: i've done it before, and it seems to work with a little bit of changes to the sites code
<PureTryOut[m]>
any tutorial?
<emunand[m]>
lime_: well, i guess you could use git or somthing to download the source code and compile it like gentoo, but i am not that good with making linux distros, so i have no idea
<emunand[m]>
PureTryOut: no tutorial yet, but it's pretty easy
<PureTryOut[m]>
won't a node need for example a PHP parser? or a C runtime, or anything?
<emunand[m]>
PureTryOut: i've only tried using sites with javascript, not php
<PureTryOut[m]>
well I know those will work
<PureTryOut[m]>
as that's just client-side code
<lime_>
as long as the deps match my installed libraries, there should be no problem
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<gaieges>
what's the [m] for?
<emunand[m]>
matrix
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<gaieges>
took the red pill
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<TheGillies>
where do babies come from in the matrix?
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<TheGillies>
leave it to nerds to create a world with no sex outside virtual reality
<emunand[m]>
they are programmed in by the people who are watching over them
<TheGillies>
but if all the babies are just programs, it defeats the whole point of having humans as batteries
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<gaieges>
so im still a little lost on how to make this orbit db work in my favor ..i need a single db across all nodes .. is that possible
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<gaieges>
im able to spin up two nodes, and see that the nodes are writing objects to ipfs [properly?] but those two nodes dont seem to be able to refer to the same db or objects in that db
<imvr>
I would like to ask something kindly
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<imvr>
Is ipfs somehow harder to accuse somebody of "piracy" than torrent sharing ?
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<rovdyl>
Depends. There's a more reasonable chance of whoever "pirated" something could have done so accidentally on ipfs compared to torrents, especially when js-ipfs in browsers is fully working. With torrents you really have to go out of your way. With ipfs you could just be sent a link containing it.
<rovdyl>
Although there's still illegal content on plain ol' HTTP, so sort of the same deal there
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<voker57>
well http doesn't share your content automatically
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<kythyria[m]>
Neither does IPFS, though?
<gaieges>
its also more of a legal question either way .. there's still a lot of grey area when it comes to torrents so i can imagine this is the same
<voker57>
ipfs does if you run daemon
<voker57>
I mean, if you download something, it isn't shared by HTTP, but is by IPFS
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<r0kk3rz>
imvr: id say its about the same, you can see who is sharing a hash just like you can see who is seeding a torrent
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<chatter29>
hey guys
<chatter29>
allah is doing
<chatter29>
sun is not doing allah is doing
<chatter29>
As-salāmu ʿalaykum (Arabic: السَّلَامُ عَلَيْكُمْ [asːaˈlaːmu ʕaˈlaikum]) is a greeting in Arabic that means "peace be upon you". The greeting is a standard salutation among Muslims and is routinely used whenever and wherever Muslims gather and interact, whether socially or within worship and other contexts. [1] The typical response to the greeti
<chatter29>
ng is waʿalaykumu s-salām (وَعَلَيْكُم السَّلَام [waʕaˈlaikumu sːaˈlaːm]; "and upon you, peace").
<chatter29>
to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
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<keks[m]>
god is dead
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<keks[m]>
so are jahwe and allah. but this is ot
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<rovdyl>
god is dead, long live ipfs
<keks[m]>
+1
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<whyrusleeping>
lol, thats an interesting variation of that weird troll...
<keks[m]>
yup :)
<whyrusleeping>
anyone know what that actually is?
<whyrusleeping>
other irc networks get hit with it a bunch too
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<gaieges>
jbenet: been watching some of your talks and concepts .. really smart and awesome. keep up the good work! i'm curious how you're thinking about the future of ipfs in the context of data size .. there must be some theory that i haven't thought through around overall size of the ipfs network, and duration/lifetime of objects in order to 1) not blow up the worlds storage, and 2) ensure accessibility of all of that data at all times and wit
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<lgierth>
blowing up storage is a good thing
<lgierth>
there is so much more storage than bandwidth
<lgierth>
caches everywhere
<gaieges>
oh ya for sure .. im just curious about hitting the limits of that as well
<lgierth>
about accessibility, on the one hand it's important to be able to find anything, and otoh to be able to connect to anybody
<gaieges>
part of the concept of ipfs is that instead of having X copies of something, you have X*accessors
<gaieges>
right exactly - curious of the thinking around how that would progress
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<lgierth>
as for connectivity, we want as many different transport mechanisms as we can, so far it's 5 or 6 or so
<gaieges>
lgierth: all interoperable?
<lgierth>
yeah the only problem is when two nodes just don't share a transport, then you need a relay which is almost there too
<gaieges>
and each node would have that ability to translate?
<lgierth>
yeah, you'll even be able to relay accross a whole chain of nodes
<lgierth>
that also means you only have a few real connections, but can reach anybody through them
<gaieges>
thats badass .. great idea
<lgierth>
think how your ISP gives you one ethernet connection, and you can reach the whole internet
<gaieges>
right .. i'm thinking about places like china and turkey right now not having any of the limitations they currently do
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<lgierth>
yeah agreed, the internet's core infrastructure is pretty vulnerable to this kind of attack
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<gaieges>
so anyway im still thinking about the lifetime of objects .. storage cant infinitely scale, and ipfs would hit it decently hard. so im curious as to whether there's any sort of thinking around how the 'persistence' is achieved, if there is sort of a limit to bandwidth and storage? or maybe at this point its not the concern so not too forefront of the thinking
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<lgierth>
there's a garbage collection mechanism we cleans out objects that aren't pinned
<gaieges>
yeah i noticed that .. but not everyone is going to pin everything, and eventually stuff will just go away, right?
<lgierth>
if you only fetch something, it doesn't get pinned, so the persistence of just fetching is similar to the browser cache -- it can go away anytime
<lgierth>
but if you pin something, it stays in your repo
<lgierth>
yeah *someone* has to op into keeping it
<lgierth>
it can be an automatic archiver
<lgierth>
or someone who just likes it
<rovdyl>
or someone you pay
<lgierth>
yeah
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<lgierth>
that's where filecoin will eventually come into play
<gaieges>
right right .. ok so there is sort of a "heart" of some of ipfs by default, just like bittorrent: gotta have some seeders
<gaieges>
ahhhh i see
<gaieges>
i dont know anything about filecoin, the intenion there is to add some sort of incentive to keep objects?
<lgierth>
make it a market and align the incentives such that everybody wants to bring their storage to the ipfs network
<gaieges>
sort of like the market that juan was talking about
<gaieges>
yeah ok
<gaieges>
thats interesting
<gaieges>
this shit is so cool
<lgierth>
:):)
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<achin>
i have a few extra TB of space. it would be sweet to be able to earn filecoins for that space, which i can use to pay other people to store my backups
<gaieges>
yeah exactly .. i assume the market would come to an equilirbium of around the price of s3 or ebs .. however much those cost, you'd get paid that much / month
<achin>
well, only if there was a way to exchange filecoin for some other currency. but yes, that seems like a reasonable assumption
<voker57>
there's already pinbits.io which pins data for BTC
<achin>
can i use it to get paid in BTC?
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<rovdyl>
No, I think it's just some guy that will pin a hash on his servers if you pay him
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<rovdyl>
Although you could of course set up something similar on your own. It's probably not too difficult. Main issue would probably be managing DMCA's if it were to ever get popular
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