<haad>
lgierth: do you receive notifications for those in an approriate manner or should I always give you a heads up on IRC, too?
<inetic>
Hello, what is the status of uTP in IPFS? I've seen a go uTP repository (can't find it now) which was empty, and a github issue mentioning uTP being removed due to hanging issues.
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<inetic>
s/removed/disabled/
<haad>
if anyone has a minute, jump on Orbit at https://ipfs.io/ipfs/Qmd1SGokQMeztUcfW6fqnutZB3RB25DUEvj3MWyhVCW51o, just released a new version and it's a big update including plenty of fixes and improvements across the whole thing. People are usually on #ipfs in Orbit.
<Kubuxu>
inetic: we had some problems with the implementations (we think so) and it was a bit unstable we are interested in trying it out again as some issues on our end might be resolved no0w
<inetic>
Kubuxu: thanks, great to know. Would you happen to know if/where the issue is being tracked?
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<victorbjelkholm>
haad: nice feature would be to automatically open up #ipfs in orbit when you first enter it and you haven't joined any channels before
<victorbjelkholm>
like a default room
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<haad>
I have mixed feelings on that, but you're prolly right. better to have at least some pointer to where to go chat than nothing...
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<victorbjelkholm>
haad: yeah, I can imagine there are some people who try orbit but don't know about #ipfs and just jumps into some random channel and really never see anyone else
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<lgierth>
lgierth: ops-requests is the best place
<lgierth>
eeh haad: ops-requests is the best place
<lgierth>
haad: wanna close everything that's just testing?
<lgierth>
ah you did. i didn't get notifications for the closing it seems ;)
<haad>
lgierth: yeah, sorry for the spam! :)
<lgierth>
no worries
<haad>
lgierth: there's one issue open now with the actual request. had to do some adjustments to the ops-requests script, but that's now merged and working (thanks to richardlitt!)
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<lgierth>
i'd really like a fast internet connection :/ i've been uploading the zoom recording for half an hour now
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: i think you have to leave berlin for that
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<lgierth>
i could get 400Mbps fiber as haad
<lgierth>
but it turns out i live in the only house in my street that isn't hooked up
<lgierth>
we might get a wifi connection between haad and my place. my neighbours in the 5th floor have line of sight to a tall building right next to haad's place, and there's a gallery on top of that building which might be up for hosting a few antennas
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: and you cant call and ask for your building to get hooked up?
<lgierth>
the landlord has to pay the ISP for it
<lgierth>
or at least needs to give them permission
<lgierth>
my landlord couldn't care less
<whyrusleeping>
sounds like you just need to do some politicking
<lgierth>
yeah... i need to do all kinds of politicking with my landlord
<lgierth>
generally i'm in favor of expropriation
<lgierth>
landlord should go get a job
<whyrusleeping>
lol
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<whyrusleeping>
he has a job, its just owning your house
<lgierth>
yeah
<lgierth>
i mean an honest job :=
<lgierth>
:)
<lgierth>
one where they actually produce something
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<lgierth>
this house is >100 years old so it can't possibly have been built by the landlord ;)
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<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: eh, thats annoying
<lgierth>
gotta run!
<lgierth>
i'll resume uploading that standup recording later
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<whyrusleeping>
i love that we can resume uploads...
<lgierth>
:):)
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<A124>
How should I debug this IO problem?
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<A124>
It made the node almost unusable, same problems with 0.4.6 and 0.4.7
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<A124>
And now getting `Error: invalid 'ipfs ref' path` when adding empty file.
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<dryajov>
Haad: victorbjelkholm: re auto joining ipfs... Probably better to have pinned/popular channels list as a welcome page?
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<whyrusleeping>
A124: did you see my suggestions yesterday about the IO thing?
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<whyrusleeping>
A124: also, adding an empty file? Like 'touch foo && ipfs add foo' ?
<victorbjelkholm>
dryajov: yeah, that's a solution too. Like a page saying "Hey, here are some channels to get you started"
<victorbjelkholm>
point was more to prevent the empty state without guide in the beginning
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<dryajov>
victorbjelkholm: yeah, I figured that's the intent, currently it's not very intuitive, took me a couple of tries to find ipfs :P
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<A124>
whyrusleeping Yes I did see suggestions, reprovider does not change that, and yes empty file.
<A124>
I created new repo now, will see, but inconvinience. Interrupt during certain operations or kill when OOM might have triggered this in first place, but cannot confirm either.
<A124>
New repo gives Error: invalid 'ipfs ref' path also.
<whyrusleeping>
A124: what version of ipfs?
<A124>
Latest official docker.
<A124>
Which is 0.4.7
<whyrusleeping>
A124: is that ipfs/go-ipfs ?
<A124>
Yes. I believe I did not have that ref problem with my own build.
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<whyrusleeping>
Hrm... Are you mounting a repo to the docker image?
<A124>
Yes.
<whyrusleeping>
do you still get the error if you don't do that?
<A124>
Hang on, I did not update the path for the repo, maybe.
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<A124>
Same problem, even with my 0.4.7 build and I have no idea why, might be ipfs unrelated (the ref one)
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<whyrusleeping>
Yeah, i started a new docker image and tried adding an empty file and it worked fine
<A124>
Alright, I have no idea what solved it, but...
<A124>
When I ran 'ipfs daemon' alone out of docker it worked and then it works in docker also.
<whyrusleeping>
thats... odd
<A124>
The docker was run with lowmem, addr reuse, enable gc and repo migrate
<A124>
Well, it still is.
* A124
*no addr reuse.
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<kevina>
keks[m]: concerning the marshaler it was whyrusleeping idea, there is no way to output to stderr in a marshell so that part is required, and stdout just seamed like the thing to do
<whyrusleeping>
kevina: keks[m] whats up?
<kevina>
or more to the point there doesn't seam to be any harm in outputting to stdout directly and it is more efficient when you think about what is being done
<whyrusleeping>
A124: I'll investigate why you might have gotten that error around adding empty files
<keks[m]>
i was asking why the blocks commands now uses a marshaler instead of postrun
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping, just replying to an earlier comment
<whyrusleeping>
A124: i'm guessing it might have been some weird repo issue
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<keks[m]>
kevina: hm okay
<kevina>
keks[m]: it was better than using PostRun
<keks[m]>
I'll think over PostRun, I'm not sure we need it
<whyrusleeping>
keks[m]: kevina Ah, yeah. I suggested that as a hack around making it work better until keks[m]'s changes are in
<keks[m]>
like, in general
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<whyrusleeping>
Yeah, agreed
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<keks[m]>
whyrusleeping: i rebased on master and now the tests fail again..i'll look into it further next week
<kevina>
what are keks[m] changes?
<keks[m]>
rip out go-ipfs/commands
<whyrusleeping>
keks[m]: is there a PR up? I can look at the test failures too
<keks[m]>
whyrusleeping: uhm not yet, hang on
<kevina>
oh, okay
<keks[m]>
kevina: and restructure it, a lot
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<keks[m]>
whyrusleeping: go-ipfs branch feat/commands2.0rebased and go-ipfs-cmds master
<keks[m]>
it's pushed
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<kevina>
I am available today, won't be available after around 2:00 your time tommorow
<whyrusleeping>
kevina: yeah, I'm planning on working to get the filestore commands PR in today
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<whyrusleeping>
I've got a few other things i'm working on before i get to that though, so it will probably be ~2 hours
<kevina>
okay, that one needs to be rebased, I will go ahead and do it, I got three others targeted for 0.4.8
<kevina>
I rebase it in about an hour (or so).
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<Caterpillar>
I don't want to spam with off topic stuff, so I will be short as much as possible: anybody with python skills interested in being a mentor in Google Summer Of Code, please send me a direct message. Thx
<whyrusleeping>
Yeap, do note though that the milestone targets don't necessarily mean it *has* to get into that release. Its just how we're signalling the active set of things that are being worked on
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: yeah i figured as much as you keep bumping them :)
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<whyrusleeping>
kevina: heh, yeah. Lets for sure get the initialization one in
<whyrusleeping>
and the filestore commands
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<A124>
ipfs-update does not work when you have daemon running on newer version, but local binary is old
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<A124>
Already have version v0.4.8-dev installed, skipping.
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<kevina>
whyrusleeping: okay the other two already have a LGTM from you through :)
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<whyrusleeping>
A124: what version of ipfs-update do you have? I think i fixed that issue in 1.5.2
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<A124>
Old one, I'm sorry, should have checked.
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* A124
noticed one thing with autocomplete, it does disable autocomplete for filenames.
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<whyrusleeping>
autocomplete? Like the bash autocomplete stuff?
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<A124>
Yes, bash.
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<google77>
I suggest <ou change it to the one in benets paper
<google77>
*you
<google77>
It's confusing.
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<whyrusleeping>
Hrm... interesting
<whyrusleeping>
Its been two years since i actually read through the original paper
<google77>
Yeah I wrote a paper citing Juan's that's on peer review ATM. Seing the link made me panic as I thought I made a mistaken abbreviation.
<google77>
I had to recheck then, and luckily I used the correct terms.
<google77>
XD
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<whyrusleeping>
I don't even think juan is aware that he originally called it namespace. I just sent him a message asking what ipns stands for
<lgierth>
"The Inter-Planetary Naming System" sounds correct to me
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<lgierth>
namespace sounds wrong to me
<whyrusleeping>
^ agreed
<Guest95207>
i'm here
<whyrusleeping>
though i wouldnt say using either is "wrong"
<Guest95207>
hey
<lgierth>
oh yeah in the `ipfs name` cli docs
<lgierth>
i've found an occurance of "IPFS NameSpace" somewhere else yesterday and changed it
<lgierth>
namespace is misleading though
<whyrusleeping>
Guest95207 welcome unknown guest
<lgierth>
namespace: /ipns
<lgierth>
other namespace: /ipfs
<lgierth>
thanks google77, wanna file a PR changing it?
<lgierth>
i changed it in another spot just yesterday
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: change it from X to Y? echo $X $Y
<lgierth>
oh yeah wait. where's the wrong spot, in the paper?
<lgierth>
where it says "IPFS NameSpace"
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<Guest95207>
i'm ronsor
<Guest95207>
but i can't do anything
<Guest95207>
i have 70% packet loss
<Guest95207>
my internet is too slow
<lgierth>
ok paper says: The ipns (InterPlanetary Name Space) separate prefix is to establish an easily recognizable distinction between mutable and immutable paths,
<lgierth>
:/
<lgierth>
that is unfortunate
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<google77>
whyrusleeping yeah, both are fine, but for my paper I need the one from my source, which was the original paper.
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<lgierth>
there's gonna be a new version of the ipfs paper soon
<lgierth>
and i'll make sure to have it changed to namesystem there
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<lgierth>
but fair enough, right now it says "namespace" :)
<google77>
well luckily I used the ISSN specifically targeting the current version :P
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<whyrusleeping>
google77: heh, you could even reference that paper by hash ;)
<google77>
I could have but I doubt the peer reviewers would want to be bothered.
<deltab>
Ronsor_: you can use /nick to change your nickname
<google77>
Also I am making a presentation at my local hackerspace about IPFS in a couple of weeks. Let the evangelizing begin.
<lgierth>
oh cool, yeah spread the gospel of decentralized web
<lgierth>
eeh gospel of distributed web
<google77>
I think that gospel is 'all over the place' :P
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<tidux>
badum tish
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<whyrusleeping>
TIL spiders eat more insects by mass than the mass of all humans on the planet each year
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<frood>
personally, I don't know of a single instance of a spider eating a human
<whyrusleeping>
frood: true... but they *could*
<lgierth>
there's the one in lord of the rings trying to eat frodo
<whyrusleeping>
^^
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, what about that frood
<whyrusleeping>
youre a spider sympathizer
<engdesart>
It didn't succeed, though
<whyrusleeping>
a traitor to humankind!
* whyrusleeping
now paranoid about spider supporters
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<tidux>
a bit odd for someone developing a decentralized web
<tidux>
:P
<engdesart>
Nah, he's just worried about the bugs in it.
<whyrusleeping>
spiders are the enemies of decentralized webs, Their webs are very centralized
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<engdesart>
Good point.. And they tend to like trapping things in their webs.
<whyrusleeping>
facebook is basically a spider
<lgierth>
this graphic with centralized/decentralized/distributed webs from this paper from the 60s