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<memester2>
howdy y'all.
<memester2>
is there a curated list anywhere of applications of IPFS which are publicly accessible? I want to put together some funding to finance further development of ecosystem applications.
<memester2>
so how does IPFS work right now in terms of incentivization?
<memester2>
do nodes run as a gift to the community currently?
<Reinhilde>
k
<deltab>
memester2: as with http, you can publish something by putting it on your own node
<deltab>
and you can use your node as a way to store content you want to keep
<deltab>
there's not much in the way of incentivization for storing things you're not interested in
<deltab>
though there's one or two paid pinning services, I think
<memester2>
gotchya thanks deltab
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<memester2>
So what's the timeline for integration with filecoin? do you know @deltab
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<memester2>
deltab: also - curious whether this discussion is also the Filecoin discussion? Are the projects overlapping a whole lot or are the communities isolated?
<TrUsT_n1>
Are IPNS entries only good for 24 hours?
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<TrUsT_n1>
I'm assuming that they are stored local so they should be good forever but, I think only externally they are only good ffor 24 hours.
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<cipres>
TrUsT_n1: the IPNS key (that you can see with ipfs key list) is stored on your node but when you do a name publish on the network it's only good for a limited amount of time
<cipres>
s/good/valid/
<cipres>
lifetime of the record is specified through -t or --lifetime by default 24h
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<stavros>
hello
<stavros>
how can i make IPFS load files more quickly?
<TrUsT_n1>
@cipres ok, valid for a limited time on the network but, is it still good locally?
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<cipres>
"locally" doesn't mean anything to me when talking about IPFS ;)
<TrUsT_n1>
@cipres ;) ok that was a good one.
<cipres>
i understand what you mean by that though
<cipres>
if you publish a IPNS record from your node
<cipres>
and the timeout expires
<cipres>
will it still be "resolvable" from your node ?
<TrUsT_n1>
@cipres yes..
<cipres>
if that's what you mean then i don't know
<cipres>
i wouldn't expect it to work
<TrUsT_n1>
That is kinda my experience as well.
<cipres>
that's why you have to reupdate constantly your ipns records
<stavros>
is there any way to make IPFS retrieve files faster?
<cipres>
i gotta go, see ya all
<TrUsT_n1>
Ah ok, so the only way to get true mutability is to reupdate often.
<cipres>
TrUsT_n1: have you tried playing with the --ttl flag when publishing ?
<TrUsT_n1>
@cipres a little bit but have not put in any times longer that 24h.
<TrUsT_n1>
s/that/than/
<stavros>
is there no way to speed up IPFS from taking a minute to fetch a file?
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<TrUsT_n1>
@stavros how are you doing a fetch?
<stavros>
TrUsT_n1, just "ipfs get <hash>"
<stavros>
or the gateway
<stavros>
the ipfs.io gateway fetches files much faster than mine
<TrUsT_n1>
@stavros hmm.. good question the only delays I have seen are from a gateway or for IPNS to resolve.
<stavros>
hm, i was hoping i could tune something to get more speed
<deltab>
how many other nodes is yours connected to?
<stavros>
deltab, i have set it to 900-1000
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<stavros>
how many is ipfs.io connected to?
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<LucasOne>
đź‘Ś
<stavros>
four and a half?
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<Reinhilde>
4.4.4.4.
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<stavros>
so is there any way to get IPFS to be faster? i'm trying to launch some open source applications that use it and it's unusably slow
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<TrUsT_n1>
Is the ability to create additional keys good for creating multiple IPNS entries?
<Reinhilde>
idk!
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<TrUsT_n1>
@Reinhilde Good question though
<deltab>
stavros: my guess is that it's because of a low number of connections. Is your node able to receive connections, or can it only connect out? If the latter, you may only be able to connect to those that can receive
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<deltab>
I don't know, but I expect the ipfs.io nodes are the best connected
<stavros>
deltab, it can receive connections as well, afaik. which port is that on?
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<deltab>
4001 by default
<stavros>
TCP?
<deltab>
yes
<stavros>
hmm, it's supposed to be listening, but i can't connect to it
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<TrUsT_n1>
@stavros I gave it a try and it was fast on my end.
<stavros>
TrUsT_n1, hmm, thanks, i'll give it another try
<stavros>
i'm trying to pin some files from another node right now and it's rather slow
<TrUsT_n1>
@stavros I have had pinning from other nodes be slow before as well.
<pjz>
hmm
<stavros>
TrUsT_n1, ah, hmm
<pjz>
pinbits at least tells you how long it takes to pin things ;)
<stavros>
pjz, how does it konw?
<stavros>
know*
<TrUsT_n1>
@stavros I even make sure my other host are listed in the bootstrap
<pjz>
...it tries :)
<pjz>
I mean, it pins something and tells you how long it took
<stavros>
ah, right
<pjz>
I should figure out how to make some coupons
<stavros>
$0.35 per GB/mo, huh
<stavros>
i should raise my prices :p
<pjz>
yeah, that's high right now
<stavros>
well i'm losing money because i'm paying for space people aren't using
<stavros>
and i'm not paying much less than i charge!
<pjz>
ah, you're doing dedicated hosting with static space?
<stavros>
yeah
<stavros>
how about you?
<pjz>
how much space?
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<stavros>
200 gb
<pjz>
pinbits is more expensive because I didn't want that limitation
<pjz>
having to manually scale and etc
<stavros>
do you provision space dynamically?
<pjz>
sort of
<pjz>
I've got nodes that mount cloud provider NFS
<stavros>
yeah, that's what i do too
<stavros>
but i only have one, and i grow it
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<pjz>
digitalocean? or someone else?
<stavros>
vultr
<pjz>
ah. different model. this NFS is 8 Exabytes, but I only get charged for what I use.
<pjz>
but yeah, I expect to have to grow the CPU node if I get much traffic
<stavros>
ah, i see
<stavros>
i don't think any of us will get much traffic after filecoin gets launched
<pjz>
you're way better at web design than I am :)
<stavros>
i have a friend :)
<pjz>
maybe
<stavros>
i'm only doing this for fun anyway
<pjz>
that's why I floated pastebits
<pjz>
and yeah, it's kind of a sideproject
<pjz>
I have another one coming up too
<pjz>
I think it's like hearth
<pjz>
but I'm not sure
<stavros>
i do wish IPFS had a better way of pinning stuff
<stavros>
oh, what is it?
<pjz>
dynipns.io
<pjz>
you can guess from the name :)
<pjz>
basically lets you map names to hashes
<stavros>
oh nice
<stavros>
no, hearth is like dropbox or weebly
<stavros>
you drop some html files in a directory and it publishes them on IPFS
<stavros>
we probably need to add some dns entries at some point
<stavros>
but not yet
<pjz>
ah. I plan to evolve pastebits that direction
<stavros>
ah right
<stavros>
ipns does need a better alternative
<stavros>
even if it's more centralized
<pjz>
but since I don't want to be a haven for random enormous uploads, it's currently limited to 256k files. Once I add accounts and logins, logging in will up that limit.
<stavros>
yeah, that makes sense
<stavros>
ipfs needs a pinning interface like a torrent client :/
<stavros>
with progress reports, pausing pins, starting, stopping, etc
<pjz>
Hmm. Maybe? I guess if you're worried about bandwidth. But sharing ratios don't make sense for pinning.
<stavros>
not ratios
<stavros>
everything else
<pjz>
I mean, you can unpin something, but if it's pinned, it's shown as on the network, so it's going to go full bore.
<stavros>
i want to know how far along a pin is and what the ETA is
<pjz>
ah, yeah, status would be nice.
<stavros>
how many pieces it got, stuff like that
<pjz>
asynchronous pinning would be good
<pjz>
and maybe ghost pins
<stavros>
yeah, asynchronous pinning as well
<pjz>
where you have something pinned but don't share it out
<stavros>
ah, interesting
<stavros>
yeah, that's useful
<pjz>
though I think the real work there is actually being odne on rate limiting, though I don't know if it'll be adjustable on a per-pin basis
<pjz>
limiting the u/l rate of a particular pin's subtree
<pjz>
would be nice
<stavros>
yeah, that as well
<pjz>
or prioritizing somehow
<stavros>
generally more management stuff
<pjz>
agreed
<stavros>
hopefully with all that funding, it'll get better
<stavros>
and with that, i need to run to bed
<stavros>
nice talking to you, pjz !
<pjz>
you too! Have a good one!
<stavros>
you too!
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<pepeman>
deltab: also - curious whether this discussion is also the Filecoin discussion? Are the projects overlapping a whole lot or are the communities isolated?
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<nickareed>
is there a way to initiate js-ipfs using an existing private key?
<JCaesar>
Btw, does anyone know how to reach chpio?
<victorbjelkholm>
JCaesar: thanks. Ended up pulling the repository myself, will publish a repository when I verified that my collection of shellscripts are actually working as they should
<victorbjelkholm>
"the repository" = "a arch repository"
<JCaesar>
much appreciated.
<JCaesar>
Please also add the collection of scripts you're using to publish the repo.
<victorbjelkholm>
yeah, it'll be neatly packaged in the git repository
<victorbjelkholm>
probably take a day or two to download the arch repository though
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<S3bb1>
Hi all, we have started ipfs on a AWS machine on docker ... sometimes the server responds only with timeouts and we have to restart it to work again ... does somebody had any related issue already ?
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<victorbjelkholm>
S3bb1: hm, which ipfs implementation and version are you using?
<S3bb1>
we're using the latest ipfs-go implementation
<S3bb1>
i'm currently checking if the problem is docker ... so i run a simple node without docker and directly on the server
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<tarrence>
Hi, I'm having issues recreating the CID generated when put'ing an object to ipld and wondering if anyone could help
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<tarrence>
I add the object like
<tarrence>
format: "dag-cbor"
<tarrence>
this.ipfs.dag.put({ foo: "bar" }, {
<tarrence>
});
<tarrence>
And try to generate the has like this
<tarrence>
new CID(1, "dag-cbor", multihash.encode(
<tarrence>
new Buffer(JSON.stringify({ foo: "bar" })),
<tarrence>
"sha2-256"
<tarrence>
))
<tarrence>
But they don't seem to match
<tarrence>
Looking through the source code it seems like I am doing the same thing as ipfs.dag.put does internally but I must be missing something
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<tarrence>
Hmm I guess I should be serializing the json to a cbor buffer using js-ipld-dag-cbor but that still doesn't result in a matching cid
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<tarrence>
Ah amazing there is a util function for generating the CID exposed on the js-ipld-dag-cbor lib :)
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<vmx>
tarrence: yes. you created a buffer out of your json, not a cbor encoded version
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<steelman>
hi, is it possible to add files at abitrary paths like in git with git write-object, git write-tree and git commit-tree, independently of directory structure on the local filesystem?
<victorbjelkholm>
steelman: yeah, you can create whatever structure you want with the `ipfs object patch` commands
<steelman>
victorbjelkholm: thanks, now I've got a lot less to read ;-)
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<mrCyborg>
Hey all! I'm wondering if IPFS has any plans to deal with The Right the be Forgotten that the EU is introducing. I'm kind of worried IPFS will be in trouble because it cannot dictate the deletion of a file...
<Icefoz>
The right to be forgotten is basically an un-implementable nightmare anyway, IPFS changes nothing about that.
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<r0kk3rz>
ipfs potentially makes the situation a lot worse though, since there wont be too many centralised points you can throw legal threats at
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<voker57>
ipfs is a protocol, so does not have to do anything itself
<steelman>
Icefoz: the right to be forgotten is implementable by those who are meant to implement it: corporations.
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<TrUsT_n1>
Greetings
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<whyrusleeping>
o/
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<TrUsT_n1>
ideas on how to make IPNS work for longer than 24h?
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<whyrusleeping>
TrUsT_n1: keep your node online
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<TrUsT_n1>
@whyrusleeping Yes.
<whyrusleeping>
in the (hopefully near) future we will have the ability to give a record to other nodes so they can continually rebroadcast it
<whyrusleeping>
you can technically do this manually now, but it not simple to do
<whyrusleeping>
but currently, just keep your node online and it will rebroadcast the record every 12 hours
<TrUsT_n1>
@whyrusleeping does the IPNS link become invalid after 24h with out republishing it.
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, the default TTL is 24 hours, and DHT nodes also only store values for 24 hours, otherwise they would be stuck storing tons of random data for free for people
<TrUsT_n1>
@whyrusleeping I guess I do that just to help the network grow.
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<TrUsT_n1>
Any ideas on 0.4.14?
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<whyrusleeping>
TrUsT_n1: what do you mean ideas?
<whyrusleeping>
if youre asking for a status update, we're working on one final issue around hash security that is a release blocker
<whyrusleeping>
once its in (which should be today, says Kubuxu) we can start the release process
<TrUsT_n1>
@whyrusleeping I'm just excited to see the fixes and new features.
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<whyrusleeping>
sorry this one is taking so long
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<TrUsT_n1>
@whyrusleeping Just super excited.
<whyrusleeping>
:)
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<cipres>
voker57: thanks so much i'll read the code
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<cipres>
voker57: would it be much more difficult to implement a "remote" http gateway, one that would run outside the ipfs daemon potentially on another machine ?
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<cipres>
when looking for "index.html" it does ixnd, err := dirr.Find(ctx, "index.html")
<cipres>
doing that remotely you'd have to use the /object/links HTTP API call ?
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<voker57>
cipres: theoretically no, you can replace calls with calls to go-ipfs-api, not sure if it's up-to-date for required stuff though
<voker57>
also iirc work is underway to split gateway into separate package (and unify IPFS control API)
<cipres>
interesting
<cipres>
thank you
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