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<coyotespike>
they are modified only in that node1 in 2.js is now dialing the multiaddress of 1.js (i.e. /ip4/67.207.92.211/tcp/32920/ipfs/QmdERNbmKgrAgsX4PPazFmaZcFQHG2fGZHuyQzgAzwF9pu)
<coyotespike>
multiaddress string, I should say
<coyotespike>
(in reply to tperson)
<coyotespike>
dial() and dialProtocol() return the same errro
<coyotespike>
*error
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<P4[m]>
Hello everybody. I have seen IPFS plugin for IgniteRealtime Spark XMPP client. What is IPFS? Is that an acronym? Web 3.o stuff, do I guess correctly. Please don't hestitate to elaborate! :-D
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<MikeFair>
P4[m], IPFS stands for InterPlanetary File System
<MikeFair>
try ipfs.io
<MikeFair>
Long story short it provides a mechanism for distributing data over the internet to make it way more efficient and less "central server centric"; more distributed/decentralized
<MikeFair>
It's best use case is for transferring files ; things that you might HTTP for
<MikeFair>
err use HTTP
<MikeFair>
The data is addressed using Content Identifiers; which gives every piece of data out there a unique identifier that is derived directly from the data's checksum
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<MikeFair>
This makes it possible for the system to validate that the data requested is actually the data received
<MikeFair>
IPFS also creates a network of p2p nodes and way for them all to talk to each other
<underikar>
Ok we get it it's awesome
<underikar>
:p
<underikar>
JK feel free to continue
<MikeFair>
underikar, actaully ; that was it ;)
<MikeFair>
I'd need something more for P4[m] to prompt any more
<underikar>
That was pretty good
<MikeFair>
I mean heck the DAG and IPLD are uber awesome; PubSub is sweet; IPNS is super useful
<underikar>
How well do you know ipfs
<underikar>
I have some kinda noob questions
<MikeFair>
There's really only two missing that I really need; one kind of goes against the immutable nature of IPFS addressing so I'm not quite sure how to work it in yet; and the other is equally 'different'
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<MikeFair>
underikar, what's up?
<underikar>
About ipld mainly
<underikar>
Ipfs cat only reads/traverses unixfs?
<MikeFair>
ipfs dag get
<underikar>
Right
<MikeFair>
yeah they are 'different animals'
<underikar>
I'm trying to use ipfs as a backend for a text heavy web app
<underikar>
Storing the text in json
* MikeFair
nods.
<underikar>
I guess I'd use the ipfs js lib?
<MikeFair>
I was doing something similar
<MikeFair>
even experimented with IPFS PasteBin
<underikar>
Heh
<MikeFair>
The tricky question is what/where are your IPFS data stores going to be?
<MikeFair>
If you already have servers all set to run ipfs daemons, then that answers that quesstion for you
<underikar>
I guess I assumed id be able to just use the gateway. I.e. navigate to /ipfs/hash/jsonpath
<underikar>
Well I have one server
<underikar>
Barely started with the web app
<underikar>
Its a dream of mine for years
<underikar>
And discovering ipfs made me think I could build it how I imagined it
<MikeFair>
The downside to IPFS is that everything is essentially immutable; change the address; change the ID
<underikar>
Right
<underikar>
Well that's really what I want
<underikar>
Mostly
<underikar>
The idea being that anyone can put their own content into the webapp
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<MikeFair>
IPNS gives you a way to create a fixed id that links to a changeable address
<underikar>
Right
<underikar>
But it's kinda slow atm
<underikar>
:(
<MikeFair>
I'm not sure everything it confirms; but IPNS is a 'system wide' idenitifier
<underikar>
In my experience it takes a few minutes to resolve a hash
<MikeFair>
The first time
<underikar>
And I'm using pubsub
<MikeFair>
Should be fast after that
<underikar>
Even the second
<underikar>
Maybe I need to try again
<underikar>
Still seems to take a while
<underikar>
But im hopeful
<underikar>
I wish i could help.
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<underikar>
These guys are doing really incredible work
<underikar>
I literally found this last week, but I'm super excited about it
<underikar>
Like, watching Juan get excited about it I thought "yes exactly that!" Lol
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<MikeFair>
hehe
<MikeFair>
Well all the data will be hosted on your own machine from what it sounds like
<MikeFair>
If you're trying for some kind of PubSub then you might want OrbitDB
<MikeFair>
There's also GunDBJS which is a totally different project but seems to be really fast for sync'ing JSON objects between lots of peer browsers
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<underikar>
Well most of the data isn't changing
<underikar>
And I would like for anybody to be able to put in their own hash for similarly structured data
<underikar>
I'll have to take a look at both of those
<MikeFair>
Ahh
<MikeFair>
That makes more sense;
<MikeFair>
There are two JS projects
<MikeFair>
one is the ipfs-api which "talks to" a go-ipfs daemon hosted somewhere (like a browser / web server type relationship where the api client is the browser)
<MikeFair>
the other is JS IPFS; which actually runs an IPFS instance directly inside the browser
<underikar>
I think I'm looking for js ipfs
<underikar>
Is there any way to have it use the in browser instance as a fallback?
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<underikar>
Or use the public gateway as a fallback?
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<MikeFair>
Well the js ipfs code has a few limitations
<MikeFair>
It doesn't route between nodes atm
<MikeFair>
So as long as the public gateway or any of its direct peers knows about a CID, then it can find it
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<MikeFair>
Otherwise it's a bit of a silo
<MikeFair>
(One of the big problems those of use trying to to develop p2p apps on the browser hit)
<underikar>
Hmm
<MikeFair>
This isprimarily simply a missing feature
<underikar>
I think what I really want is using the local daemon with the gateway as a fallback
<MikeFair>
But it stopped me from being able to publish a file on my local node and retrieve it with the browser node and vice versa
<MikeFair>
underikar, then you want ipfs api
<underikar>
Can it fallback to the gateway?
<MikeFair>
that's pretty much what it does, but you'll have to manually do the "connect to public gateway on local connect failure" fallback part
<MikeFair>
You tell it what api web address to connect
<underikar>
Ah ok
<underikar>
I can do that
<MikeFair>
it's telling it what URL to use
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<underikar>
Thank you MikeFair
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<darkdrgn2k[m]>
does IPFS work over cjdns as a transport?
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<whyrusleeping>
darkdrgn2k[m]: anything can work over cjdns as a transport, since cjdns acts like a vpn
<whyrusleeping>
we run (if i remember correctly) some of our gateway and bootstrap nodes through cjdns
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
yeh but it needs bootrap
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<darkdrgn2k[m]>
i know htere was some talk of using cjdn's private/public keys to to the exchange back in 2015
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
or a /cjdns/ transport layer
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
and there are no PUBLIC ipfs cjdns gateway right?
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<whyrusleeping>
there should be, i think h.gateway.ipfs.io or something
<whyrusleeping>
huh
<whyrusleeping>
its gone
<whyrusleeping>
well we used to
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<whyrusleeping>
ping lgierth about it when its no longer european night tiem
<MikeFair>
whyrusleeping, question about ipns ed25519 keys? Can I use one as an ipns entry?
<whyrusleeping>
yes, you should be able to
<whyrusleeping>
its going to get a lot nicer in an update thats coming soon
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<whyrusleeping>
the public keys will be able to be embedded in the ID
<MikeFair>
Oh wait, nm; historically ipfs key gen didn't seem to show ed25519 as an option
<MikeFair>
whyrusleeping, cryptic and intriguing ;)
<whyrusleeping>
basically, the ipns name will be the public key itself, and not the hash of it
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<MikeFair>
So the ipns identifier will be the key data itself instead of tis hash?
<MikeFair>
hehe
<whyrusleeping>
which will allow verification of an ipns record without having to fetch the key
<MikeFair>
nice
<MikeFair>
So I have a desire to update an ipns record so it can be signed by other keys
<MikeFair>
maybe not an ipns record as is, but a new kind of record perhaps
<MikeFair>
Basically in place of fetching the key like it once did; it'd fetch an "authorization record"
<MikeFair>
you know what; nm for now; I know what I'm after; but ipns as is can't really create it for me so I'll hold off
<MikeFair>
I figured out a way to use consensus to update DAG objects
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
h.ipfs.io seems to be up
<MikeFair>
But it requires being able to create a list of signers required to update an ipns type entry
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<MikeFair>
Hmm, what do I need to know to create an ed25519 file in the keystore?
<MikeFair>
They alls seems to be exactly 100 bytes
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<MikeFair>
whyrusleeping, Any clues how I might extract the secret key data from the keyStore file?
<MikeFair>
I expected it to be a 64 byte file; but it's 100 bytes
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<Kejie>
Hello
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<MikeFair>
hi
<Scio[m]>
On the topic of a js-ipfs (browser) instance falling back to a manually added public gateway; how do I go about adding a public gateway (say, ipfs.io) to my js-ipfs node? Is there a WSS peerid I need to add to my swarm?
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<Scio[m]>
I'm also confused about what role the default bootstrap nodes (which are also being dialed over WSS) do.
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<victorbjelkholm>
Scio[m]: you want to have your own gateway running with js-ipfs or you want to use someone elses gateway as a fallback? If the later, you'd have to have js-ipfs and js-ipfs-api running side-by-side, js-ipfs-api being pointed to the gateway but the fallback conditions you'd have to set yourself
<victorbjelkholm>
default bootstrap nodes helps you find other nodes in the network. Since everyone (most really) have the bootstrap nodes in common, they all can see each other via them
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<lgierth>
darkdrgn2k[m]: h.ipfs.io but it's not something we're going to continue supporting, likely
<Scio[m]>
victorbjelkholm: Thank you for the reply. I wanted to connect to a third-party gateway in this case, so I'll use js-ipfs-api as a fallback now. I was able to succesfully connect to a personal gateway over WSS, but I still want a fallback, (especially since it's quite a hassle setting up WSS.)
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<Scio[m]>
It would be convenient to be able to directly dial to a gateway from js-ipfs though, without needing to go through js-ipfs-api. I'm now requesting the Infura people enable WSS on their node :D
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<inetic>
Is it possible for a node to re-publish some else's IPNS without knowing the other node's private key?
<inetic>
I'm considering this scenario: Let's have three nodes A, B and C. A is the original IPNS publisher.
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<inetic>
B resolves A's IPNS. Then the DHT gets partitioned and {B, C} can no longer communicate with A (e.g. {B, C} are on a local network without access to internet, or the two are in a country with a heavy censorship).
<inetic>
Is there a way for B to become an "IPNS provider" of the last known IPNS -> IPFS map for C?
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<daftaupe>
Hello, is there a way to build go-ipfs without it trying to pull-in dependencies while doing make build ? I already did a gx install --local so I have the deps in vendor, I'd like to be able to build offline now
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<daftaupe>
ok I did build it running make -n build and then go build -ldflags="-X "github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/repo/config".CurrentCommit=" -o "cmd/ipfs/ipfs" ""
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<lgierth>
daftaupe: go install ./cmd/ipsf
<lgierth>
or that yeha
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<darkdrgn2k[m]>
Igierth: how come you will be a discontinuing cjdns?
<lgierth>
my time is better spent bringing some of cjdns's features to libp2p rather than running this :)
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
I guess i can understand that.. Cjdns development is somewhat stagnent and all :/
<lgierth>
cjdns is awesome and i think it's best served by carrying its ideas into more projects with further reach
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
if you will discontinue this any idea when? Before the summer or after?
<lgierth>
you're from toronto mesh right?
<lgierth>
probably this quarter
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
yeh... and we are using it as our core right now
<lgierth>
ouch, ok
<lgierth>
you can make the performance way better by running your own gateway in toronto
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
however we found some deficiencies in it that prevent us from really moving forward with it.
<lgierth>
cjdns or h.ipfs.io?
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
cjdns
<lgierth>
i see, yep
<lgierth>
well that'll be interesting to discuss in july :)
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
you comming down?
<lgierth>
i'll be there for state of our networks and want to present some cjdns-inspired ideas for libp2p
<lgierth>
yeah
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
Im working on a little project with IPFS to see if we can use it for the confrenc
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
so far it looks VERRY promissing
<lgierth>
great :)
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
would have been interesting to add CJDNS to the mix of it...
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
but i guess its not necessary and it will probably add a bit of overhead to it..
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
@Igierth: what irc network you on?
<lgierth>
freenode
<lgierth>
it's Lgierth btw
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
haha that would explain a few things.....
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<darkdrgn2k[m]>
2 ?
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<darkdrgn2k[m]>
so gateways serve as a bridge between ipfs and the normal "Internet" does it also cache the content for a short period of time?
<whyrusleeping>
yes
<lgierth>
gateway between ipfs and http, that is
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
yes,
<darkdrgn2k[m]>
but it also caches untill the GC comes along
<daftaupe>
thank lgierth
<daftaupe>
seems to build alright this way
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<lgierth>
little gateway issues right now
<lgierth>
(ipfs.io)
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<victorbjelkholm>
darkdrgn2k[m]: was because of our gateway issues. Should work a bit better now
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<darkdrgn2k[m]>
confirmed thanks
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<ToxicFrog>
darkdrgn2k[m]: AIUI, when you ask an IPFS node for content (whether through the HTTP gateway, the filesystem mountpoints, the API, etc), if it doesn't have the content, it fetches it from a node that does and stores it locally; once it starts running out of room, it starts evicting stuff that hasn't been requested in a while. Pinned objects are never evicted.
<ToxicFrog>
So content naturally migrates to the places where it's requested.
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<darkdrgn2k[m]>
That's Awsome thanks great explanation
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<yaksbeard[m]>
was it just the http gateway that had the issues earlier? also is there a list of http gateways?
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<yaksbeard[m]>
yea im on the 'roit.im' page ;)
<yaksbeard[m]>
thanks btw
<yaksbeard[m]>
is it fairly simple to set up a gateway? i havent actually looked around yet but if its fairly simple i can set up a few
<underikar>
What are the advantages/disadvantages to using the http api vs the js api and vice versa?
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<voker57>
ipfs gateway? yeah, just be sure to enable GC and only let gateway port out
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<voker57>
underikar: js api is js interface for http api
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<underikar>
Is there any reason I'd use that over just doing Ajax requests to the http api?
<voker57>
more convenient
<underikar>
Fair enough
<underikar>
Thank you
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<darkdrgn2k[m]>
curiosity - does IPFS.JS cache data to and offer it up to other nodes as needed?
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<ToxicFrog>
yaksbeard[m]: it's built into the IPFS daemon and I think enabled by default; change Addresses.Gateway in the config file if you want it to listen on a different port/interface and start up the daemon and away you go.
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<yaksbeard[m]>
oh sweet ill take a look into that thanks
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<pjz>
https://pastebits.io pastes to IPFS if you need to throw random small content onto a remote IPFS node
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