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<fil_redpill> ipfs resolve -r /ipfs/QmWGRGSgPsApwyNcjJ67zRkhXecgDK5reYHUBdrsVDM1Pq/TileGroup162/8-182-89.jpg: failed to get block for Qmev95jYHWjaedMRcipZzqVKtWvMJxPoZVobFao9jV58e9: context deadline exceeded
<fil_redpill> (and it works locally: the file is there)
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<fil_redpill> ipfs swarm peers gives me a list of 181 peers so I suppose I'm not shut out
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<fil_redpill> I've restarted my node and it seems to work now
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<whyrusleeping> fil_redpill: odd, if youre ever able to reproduce it mind filing an issue?
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<coyotespike>
<coyotespike> Howdy y'all! I and a colleague, independently, have hit a problem with dialing.
<coyotespike> Dialing from a browser to a nodejs ipfs node works, using the libp2p node exposed.
<coyotespike> But, dialing nodejs-nodejs does not work.
<coyotespike> We get `Error: Circuit not enabled!`, as in https://github.com/libp2p/js-libp2p/issues/188
<coyotespike> Is this the right channel for this?
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<whyrusleeping> coyotespike: this channel works, or #libp2p
<whyrusleeping> for js-ipfs you'll want to ping daviddias dryajov or victorbjelkholm
<coyotespike> cool, thanks whyrusleeping :-)
<whyrusleeping> of course :)
<dryajov> coyotespike: that just means that all transports failed dialing and circuit isn't enabled.
<dryajov> It's wrongly worded tho and a fix is in to improve it...
<coyotespike> Thanks! I was tracking that the error actually means dialing has failed entirely. I'll check that PR out though
<coyotespike> I wasn't able to figure out why dialing failed tho :-( because the browser and the nodejs nodes were dialing the same way, but only the browser was succeeding
<whyrusleeping> yeah, a more specific error would be great
<coyotespike> Both nodes were connected previously, via swarm or bootstrap list, to solve the discovery problem
<wetpaint[m]> Hi ifps, I’m working on a mobile + desktop photo backup, sharing app backed by ipfs called Textile Photos (https://www.textile.photos/). We’ve used (heavily) openbazaar-go as a starting point. Just wanted to say much, much thanks! https://github.com/textileio/textile-go is the core + desktop app and https://github.com/textileio/textile-mobile/ is a React Native wrapper around iOS + Android mobile frameworks.
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<whyrusleeping> wetpaint[m]: thats great to hear :)
<coyotespike> super cool app :-)
<whyrusleeping> wetpaint[m]: could i skip the waitlist? ;)
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<dryajov> Looks super cool wetpaint[m] :)
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<wetpaint[m]> whyrusleeping want to email me your email? sander@textile.io
<dryajov> whyrusleeping: yeah, I think that pr addresses it, but open to suggestions to further improve it 😃
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<whyrusleeping> wetpaint[m]: my emails no secret, its why@ipfs.io
<wetpaint[m]> or just email me haha
<whyrusleeping> lol
<whyrusleeping> i'll send you my email with a different email :P
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<wetpaint[m]> haha
<wetpaint[m]> great, we've got an internal beta now, expanding to slightly larger in a day or two, will add you!
<wetpaint[m]> and... cheers, all! real fun stuff to work on
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<whyrusleeping> wetpaint[m]: please let us know if theres anything we can do to help
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<richardlitt> !pin QmaMxpSDjYpRXoDTgvCkEARqEhFjcoAVqFYWb1Wv654QVG
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<richardlitt> @lgierth any idea what happened to pinbot? :)
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<lgierth> richardlitt: #ipfs-pinbot :) it's now based on ipfs-cluster too
<richardlitt> Thanks!
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<leolrrj_> hi folks! I have a question! I connected my node (readonly), uploaded a file, shutdown my node and the file is still there on ipfs.io/ipfs/my_hash ... so, how the network can sustains like this? what if everyone is an asshole like me that just upload a file and don't share/hold my peers files? :P
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<djdv> the ipfs.io nodes only hold the data temporarily, if nobody else is hosting it, then it won't be reachable
<leolrrj_> djdv: ohhh gotcha
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<leolrrj_> so if I'm looking for a more permanent nodes, that I need to host files, but I'm only a readonly node, wich ipfs nodes do you suggest me ? (it can be the paid ones of course)
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<moriarty> https://medium.com/darpalrating/darpalrating-github-audit-for-200-blockchain-projects-march-2018-3c6b839abdaa - nice way to keep track on which coins are hype and which are doing real work behind the scenes
<moriarty> it's nice to see IPFS up there :-) congratulations, guys
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<djdv> leolrrj_: you want to look for a "pinning service" or pin the files on a seperate node of your own
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<ToxicFrog> is everything that uses merkle trees "blockchain" now
<djdv> every blockchain is blockchain blockchain
<moriarty> ToxicFrog, lol merkle trees are awesome
<ToxicFrog> moriarty: I agree and don't want them tarred by association with cryptocurrencies.
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<moriarty> indeed, i reckon as the sector matures, we'd have rankings that separate the winners from the crap
<moriarty> one such ranking is the one i posted above
<moriarty> github metrics distilled into ranking, that gives a snapshot of actual work done
<moriarty> rather than blah blah
<moriarty> hype blah blah
<ToxicFrog> Actual work done isn't necessarily a good metric either, though; I've put a lot of work into projects that were in retrospect a complete waste of time.
<moriarty> right, except that this isn't anecdotal but an aggregate sum of work done by a collective
<moriarty> so that's probably more robust
<moriarty> if one cuckoo bird thinks the coin is a great idea, it's a data point, not a trend
<moriarty> but when you have a large number of committers, that's a different story
<moriarty> given consideration that these contributors are doing it pro bono outside of their full time jobs
<ToxicFrog> That doesn't mean that you can't have a large number of people working on something they shouldn't be, c.f. bitcoin
<moriarty> there is also library popularity
<moriarty> which is basically a refashioning of link scoring or citation power
<moriarty> a la google or academia
<ToxicFrog> I think we're just rehashing the "popularity vs quality" argument that has bedeviled all forms of media basically forever.
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<moriarty> we're talking library popularity here, not coin popularity
<moriarty> completely tangential issues
<ToxicFrog> What non-cryptocurrency-related uses does libbitcoin have, though?
<moriarty> i imagine anyone who's a github user is familiar with looking up such metrics on their own when assessing which open source project fork to use
<moriarty> what number is libbitcoin on the list?
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<leolrrj_> djdv: thanks man
<ToxicFrog> moriarty: #5.
<moriarty> lol ToxicFrog, ha ha ha
<ToxicFrog> You should know, you posted it.
<moriarty> ToxicFrog, everything
<moriarty> blockchain was invented by the creator of bitcoin, so it underpins just about everything we see today in the blockchain space
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<leolrrj_> djdv: so what if I pin my files by myself? can I do that as a readonly node? if for some reason my server shutdowns for couple hours, when I come back the files will be still there?
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<ToxicFrog> moriarty: "blockchain" is just a buzzword for "merkle tree with distributed root consensus bolted on", though (and all the distributed consensus mechanisms published so far have been awful).
<ToxicFrog> If you don't require the consensus to be distributed, git is also blockchain™ (and the consensus mechanism is "whatever HEAD points to in the master repo for your project")
<moriarty> ToxicFrog, apart from trade settlements, i'm thinking cybersecurity, SCM (supply chain management), prediction markets e.g. Augur, IOT (Internet of Things), insurance e.g. Aeternity, ride sharing, storage e.g. filecoin, storj, charity, voting, government, public benefits, healthcare, energy
<moriarty> management, music, retail, real estate, and crowdfunding
<moriarty> ToxicFrog, that's probably too specific, considering that merkle trees aren't actually fully utilised yet in bitcoin although they are embedded as a feature
<moriarty> i would describe the blockchain as a system of sequential blocks that model changes in custodianship with a set of rules governing the correctness of a block
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<moriarty> while you can say that a git commit possesses data structures that must exist and follow a set of semantics, git in no way enforces anything about the contents within those commits
<moriarty> while a block in the bitcoin blockchain is valid when the hash matches expectations for included transactions, but also these transactions follow network rules of no double spending etc
<moriarty> another important distinction is the consensus-seeking nature of the blockchain while in a git repository, divergent forks exist by design
<moriarty> etc etc
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<moriarty> ToxicFrog, so we are in agreement, yes :-)
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<moriarty> except you are probably brushing it in a bit broad strokes
<djdv> leolrrj_: If your pin a hash, and the daemon that pinned it is up, other peers can get it. Data and pins are stored, so if you shutdown the daemon it will still be there when you bring it back up
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<leolrrj_> djdv: what if I lose my daemon? is there a way to back it up? ohh I think it's just as regular file system backup right?
<djdv> yes, you can back up your .ipfs directory or just replicate the data
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<djdv> the latter is what the pinning services are doing
<djdv> you send them a hash, they retrieve it from you and store it, when you go offline peers get it from the service and/or other peers
<leolrrj_> so if I pin once, it will be there forever? even if I shutdown my node?
<djdv> it will be stored with your node but it will not be available if you shutdown your node, unless another node also has the data
<djdv> for instance, say I add data and pin it, people can get it from me while my node is up, when I go down they can't. But, when I come back online, they can, because IPFS stored the data on disk, as well as remembered that I pinned it before
<djdv> if I pin it on another node while it's up (another machine, pinning service, etc.) people will be able to get it from them while I'm down
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<leolrrj_> ohhh so the "pin on another node" is what we are paying for right?
<djdv> exactly
<leolrrj_> so I can just pin on my node but it will be online while we are online only
<djdv> those machines will just take the hash you give them, run `ipfs pin add Qm...` and promise that they will stay online
<djdv> that's correct
<djdv> and if I were to pin it myself, it would be avaiable while either you or I are online
<djdv> any node can replicate and host the data
<leolrrj_> if I dont pin in my node the file is gone after a restart, if I pin in my node it's will be always with me only if I'm online, if I pin in another node it will be with me, with him, and as long as one of us is online it's all good
<djdv> basically yes, the only thing is that if a hash is not pinned, it will still be there after a restart
<djdv> what "pins" do is just say "this is not garbage"
<djdv> data is stored on disk regardless, but is garbage collected
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<djdv> when the garbage collector runs, it deletes everything that's not pinned
<djdv> some people run this on a timer, but you can run it yourself with `ipfs repo gc`
<djdv> if something isn't pinned, and it's garbage collected, you won't be hosting it
<leolrrj_> hmmm gotcha
<djdv> because it will have been deleted
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<Ecran> hello
<Ecran> is there a special command to determine
<Ecran> the hash for the local repository?
<Ecran> after calling "ipfs init", it displays both the PeerID and the local storage/repository ID
<Ecran> but what if it gets lost and haven't noted it down
<Ecran> ?
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<underikar> Ecran: `ipfs id` should do it
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<Ecran> when calling "ipfs id", it displays only the PeerID, the PublicKey, a list of addresses, possibly those on which localhost communicates with other peers; and "AgentVersion" and "ProtocolVersion" keys
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<Ecran> so in order not to lose the repository hash, its stored on the desktop in a text file :))
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<Ecran> it might be a not so pretty solution, but at least it can't be forgotten
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<Ecran> underikar tried also "ipfs name resolve <OwnID>"
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<Ecran> but it hangs,
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<Ecran> read something on the web that it should display the contents stored on the local host
<Ecran> hold on 1 minute
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<Ecran> well, seems it resolved, but had to wait a bit, patience :>
<Ecran> it resolved to an /ipfs/<hash>
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<gozala> daviddias: what networking protocols does JS ipfs require ?
<gozala> daviddias: I’m trying to figure out what IO APIs need need to be exposed via firefox extension API to enable full js-ipfs node in an add-on
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<Taoki> https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/communication-via-lan-rather-than-just-internet/2858 I found this a very interesting discussion so I thought to share it here as well if anyone's interested.
<Taoki> In a nutshell, I'm wondering whether IPFS plans to also support the approach of Secure Scuttlebutt: Don't use only the internet, but also LAN... allowing nodes to also share files and update the network locally, even when one or more computers have no internet connection at all.
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