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<abourget>
I wasn't able to see any benefits from the new `--enable-namesys-pubsub` option ..
<abourget>
do I need to publish in a special way ? is `--ttl` necessary upon publish ?
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<whyrusleeping>
abourget: both publishers and subscribers need to be using it
<whyrusleeping>
It will be noticeably faster with larger swarms of peers
<whyrusleeping>
(who are all subscribed to the ipns topic)
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<ToxicFrog>
Does turning on ipns pubsub use it instead of the old mechanism, or as well as?
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<vyzo>
ToxicFrog: it still publishes to the dht
<ToxicFrog>
Boo :(
<vyzo>
so that clients that don't have enabled ipns pubsub can use it
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<ToxicFrog>
I mean, that makes sense, but I was hoping --enable-namesys-pubsub might let me use IPNS.
<vyzo>
well
<vyzo>
we are considering a future where ipns might be primarily distributed through pubsub
<vyzo>
but we can't stop pushing to the dht all of a sudden
<vyzo>
it will break users who don't have pubsub
<vyzo>
and it is also still experimental
<vyzo>
we are taking it easy with it
<ToxicFrog>
(I am specifically referring to #1941 -- IPNS doesn't work at all with small swarms)
<vyzo>
oh wow that's an ancient issue
<vyzo>
i was not aware of it
<vyzo>
it shouldn't stop you from using pubsub though
<vyzo>
the publish happens in parallel
<ToxicFrog>
Based on my (very limited) understanding, ipns name publish isn't considered to have "succeeded" unless it can publish the name to a quorum of peers, so if you don't have that quorum the whole thing fails, including creating an entry in the name table on the node you tried to publish on
<ToxicFrog>
So you can't even publish/resolve things locally if the swarm doesn't have enough peers to publish to.
<vyzo>
well, with pubsub enabled it works a little different
<vyzo>
we do the dht dance etc still
<vyzo>
but in parallel, we push to the pubsub topic
<ToxicFrog>
Hmm
<vyzo>
and peers that are subscribed to the topic receive the value
<vyzo>
so that they can resolve from cache directly
<ToxicFrog>
So it might still "fail" but successfully create the name table(?terminology) entry locally?
<vyzo>
yes, it might fail partially
<vyzo>
maybe the UX isn't as great on this
<vyzo>
we should probably improve on it
<ToxicFrog>
And publish to any other connected peers that are using pubsub? (n.b. for my swarm this is often "no peers", since it's a two-node swarm with one frequently offline)
<vyzo>
well pubsub is not persistent
<ToxicFrog>
(so the use case I'm usually interested in is "I have exactly one node")
<vyzo>
yeah, that's fine
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<vyzo>
as long as it is subscribed in the topic and online, it will get the new record
<ToxicFrog>
I will give that a try later and see if it works, then
<vyzo>
do you mind updating the issue with your experience?
<ToxicFrog>
For most of my uses I don't even care if it makes it to the other peer in a timely manner (or at all), I just need to be able to resolve it on the node I created it on
<vyzo>
we would like to improve the UX for ipns pubsub if there are any issues
<ToxicFrog>
Sure.
<ToxicFrog>
Ping you here when I do?
<vyzo>
or add to the issue
<vyzo>
probably works best
<ToxicFrog>
I mean, would you like me to ping you here after I update the issue
<vyzo>
so that others can see it and it's in our shared knowledge base :)
<ToxicFrog>
So that you know I have done so
<vyzo>
sure, that's cool
<vyzo>
I'll get an email though, so it's a bit redundant
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<ToxicFrog>
Huh. I'm having trouble building ipfs 0.4.14 from source, because the CIDs are all wrong:
<ToxicFrog>
go/src/github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/exchange/bitswap/wantlist/wantlist.go:9:2: cannot find package "gx/ipfs/QmcZfnkapfECQGcLZaf9B79NRg7cRa9EnZh4LSbkCzwNvY/go-cid" in any of: [...]
<ToxicFrog>
go-cid does exist under /tmp/nix-build-ipfs-0.4.14.drv-0/go/src/gx/ipfs/, but under a different CID.
<ToxicFrog>
I assume I'm holding the build system wrong, but I can't figure out how.
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<ToxicFrog>
Based on the CIDs, gx is grabbing an older version of the packages than ipfs 0.4.14 depends on :/
<vyzo>
did you do 'make build'?
<vyzo>
after checking out the source
<vyzo>
I am not very intimately with nix, and it does a lot of things differently
<vyzo>
...intimately familiar above
<ToxicFrog>
Yeah, investigating further I think the problem is in the nix end of things -- gx is fetching the right stuff but the build is running with the stuff fetched by gx for 0.4.13
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<ToxicFrog>
...and it turns out that 0.4.14 is already in the repos, I just needed to update my channels
<vyzo>
you need to resolve once in the "client" peer
<vyzo>
to subscribe to the topic
<vyzo>
let's discuss this in the issue
<vyzo>
so that we keep track of it
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<ToxicFrog>
vyzo: there's only one peer, and resolving first doesn't help.
<ToxicFrog>
Er, only one node, rather. `ipfs swarm addrs` is empty.
<vyzo>
you know, ipns pubsub bootstraps through the DHT
<vyzo>
and if it's not there becauase there is only one peer, then it might not work
<vyzo>
i would classify this as a bug
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<vyzo>
btw, are your peers connected before you start?
<vyzo>
i'll add a suggestion to do that in the issue
<vyzo>
let's debug this :)
<ToxicFrog>
There are no peers. Nothing is connected. The swarm currently consists only of a single node, by design.
<vyzo>
yeah, that explains it
<ToxicFrog>
The problem I have is that IPNS does not work when the node is not connected to any peers, not even locally.
<vyzo>
there is no peer to pubsub to
<vyzo>
ok
<vyzo>
I would call that a BUG
<ToxicFrog>
Yes, hence the issue.
<ToxicFrog>
Unfortunately I don't know enough about Go or IPFS to fix it myself, and don't currently have time to gain that knowledge.
<vyzo>
ok, we have it in the issue tracker
<vyzo>
we are in the process on fixing connectivity in the DHT
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<vyzo>
so yeah
<vyzo>
i didn't quite appreciate the fact that it's a single peer, not connected to anything
* ToxicFrog
nods
<ToxicFrog>
Perhaps I should have emphasized that more earlier -- sometimes it's connected to a second peer, but the vast majority of the time it's the only member of its swarm.
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<raynold>
ahh it's a wonderful day
<Ecran>
and a great evening
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<pubmania>
Hello... just came across ipfs and have been quite intrigued by the concept. Any recommendations on where I can learn more about the doc please.
<coyotespike>
Howdy y'all. I'm trying to connect two Node.js ipfs nodes
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<coyotespike>
I've put node1's multiaddress into node2's config.Bootstrap, and also tried ipfs2.swarm.connect(multi1), as suggested at the end of https://github.com/ipfs/js-ipfs/issues/1304 by Mr0grog
<coyotespike>
A browser IPFS node is able to connect to either of these. Any ideas would be great.
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<OS-27110>
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