rz2k changed the topic of #linux-sunxi to: Allwinner/sunxi development discussion - Don't ask to ask. Just ask and wait! - See http://linux-sunxi.org | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/ | Logs at http://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-sunxi | FOSDEM talks - http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/users/nove/sunxi_at_fosdem2014/
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<nieuwbie> hey anybody tried to build lima on linux?
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<HdkR> yes
<nieuwbie> I got "connot find -lMali"
<HdkR> Sounds right, it requires the binary file
<nieuwbie> why opensource project needs closed-source file?
<HdkR> Creating a shader compiler for a GPU that is nuts is really hard
<HdkR> But don't worry, a 17 year old is on it
<HdkR> He's kicking its ass
<nieuwbie> ssvb?
<nieuwbie> and btw how to get that binary file?
<HdkR> swipe it from the sunxi packages
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<nieuwbie> ok /bye
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<oliv3r> mnemoc: really? yay! i'm forked :p
<oliv3r> mnemoc: i didn't notice; got a link? :)
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<mripard> ccaione: it makes sense
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<ccaione> mripard: I'll write the patch tonight (sorry if I'm late but $work is killing me)
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<mripard> ccaione: don't worry we're not in a hurry
<mripard> it can wait for the week end too if you prefer :)
<ccaione> mripard: during the we I want to refactor and submit the first patchset for axp ;)
<binaryferret> I'll be adding a new tablet today I think, I just need to go through existing stuff and double check it's unique.
<mripard> ccaione: ok, cool :)
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<binaryferret> When adding the dram info to uboot one of the struct members is .size. The output from a10-meminfo did not return a size. In the fex file the key dram_size=-1 I notice the other dram setups either have 512, 1024. How do I determine the size? Should I just leave this as -1?
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<binaryferret> Did anyone reply to my earlier message? I got disconnected and didn't notice :S
<ccaione> binaryferret: no :)
<binaryferret> Awesome I didn't miss anything :D hehe.
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<oliv3r> i should have done a puneet pun at fosdem
<oliv3r> not enough time
<oliv3r> but his latest messages show me he fails at basic reading
<binaryferret> Ignore previous question, I again was being silly.
<oliv3r> binaryferret: you have to find out the size yourself
<oliv3r> a10-meminfo doesn't supply it
<oliv3r> best way to find out, check the chips
<oliv3r> but 'free' should give you a good indication of what it should be
<binaryferret> oliv3r: Yeah I actually did that hehe. My brain was just expecting everything from a10-mem and I wanted to be clear (thus asked).
<oliv3r> i should add a line '.size = unknown, check chips/system'
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<rellla> oliv3r: tell me, when puneet succeeded running mplayer smoothly with directfb in terminal - with your help ;)
<arokux> guys, what small like usb host is left without being mainlined?
<oliv3r> rellla: vpdau has a dependancy on X11 atm; so that'll take a few years :)
<oliv3r> arokux: what do you mean?
<arokux> oliv3r: what easy IPs isn't being mainlined?
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<ccaione> arokux: battery support in axp
<ccaione> I don't have hw to write the battery part
<arokux> ccaione: hw is a battery?
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<ccaione> hw is a board with support for battery
<ccaione> (managed by axp of course)
<arokux> ccaione: do you think battery is also needed? i have a13-olinuxino and ct, they both have support for the battery.
<wens> ccaione: you finished the regulators?
<ccaione> wens: yes, I have to cleanup and submit the patchset
<arokux> wens: who is looking at dma?
<ccaione> arokux: gzamboni iirc?
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<mnemoc> oliv3r: search for efuse for tegra on linux-arm's ML
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<wens> ccaione: oh I'm actually interested in the power measurement thing
<oliv3r> mnemoc: got it
<oliv3r> arokux: i think the most easy stuff is being worked on; check the mainlining_effort page
<oliv3r> arokux: i tried to make the list complete with all items there
<arokux> oliv3r: yeah, I've checked that page of course :)
<wens> maybe do the sound drivers from A23 SDK?
<oliv3r> arokux: dma is probably not that easy though :)
<oliv3r> sound requires DMA :(
<oliv3r> port a23 -> sunxi
<arokux> exactly.
<oliv3r> while 3.4 stuff; still important
<arokux> a23 -> sunxi-3.4 you mean?
<arokux> I do not have a23 hardware.
<mnemoc> what kernel a23's sdk uses?
<wens> oliv3r: should be doable with PIO, but don't know how much effort is needed
<wens> mnemoc: 3.4 with some backports
<arokux> cubietech still alive?
<mnemoc> has anyone had troubles with CMA in stage/sunxi-3.4? to merge that stuff...
<mnemoc> arokux: benn is in charge, and they did the a80 board
<mnemoc> arokux: but they are in holidays (spring festival aka new year)
<arokux> mnemoc: I see. last commits from them are 3 months old, that is why I've asked. when is this new board is going to hit the public?
<mnemoc> arokux: q2 2014 iirc
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<arokux> I think we will see A80 board at the market Q2 this year. Now it is just for marketing :)
<arokux> BTW, A80 do support sata with PM support
<arokux> that is Benn's comment under your status in G+
<oliv3r> arokux: well starting some merges would be interesting, get libv to test them :p
<oliv3r> mnemoc: i'm not sure cubietech actually DID the a80; they suggested involvement, but there's also denying :p
<wigyori> quick question - so the nand and the sata driver runs without dma so far, right?
<oliv3r> wigyori: yep
<arokux> is NAND there at all?!
<wigyori> arokux: boris brezillon works on it
<wigyori> check his patches on the linux-arm-kernel list
<arokux> yes, I've seen. hm.. but it was explained here once, that aw instead of implementing a proper driver just emulated a block device and that the docs are missing to implement a proper mtd driver.
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<libv> has anyone brought up a proper linux on a23 already, even with the SDK kernel and u-boot?
<arokux> libv: aren't you the only one with hardware? :)
<libv> it's 37EUR to get the hw
<arokux> libv: where?
<libv> aliexpress
<arokux> libv: I'd better asked which device?
<libv> you might find cheaper, but that's from people with no rating, and most likely that will mean that your money is locked for a month or two
<arokux> libv: does it have a page on our wiki?
<arokux> it has no name... so it is difficult to use search, sorry for bothering you
<libv> there's only 1 a23 tablet on our wiki
<libv> and that's hopefully going to be the same
<libv> i still should upload further pictures on that
<mnemoc> arokux: that "hint" from Benn is not a explicit "yes, we did it".... but strongly feels like a "yes, but can't tell details yet"
<arokux> mnemoc: ok, doesn't matter much actually.
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<arokux> mnemoc: has some docs for nand appeared so boris brezillon is working on it?
<oliv3r> arokux: zero docs; but boris is still working on it
<arokux> oliv3r: can one develop a driver without docs? o_O
<oliv3r> we have source code
<oliv3r> just as good
<arokux> oliv3r: hm.. then I misunderstood something, as you once told me aw has a 'wrong' driver i.e. block device driver instead of an mtd one. I thought because of this the available src doesn't contain enough info be used as doc.
<oliv3r> arokux: it's a horrible driver :p
<oliv3r> but boris mostly based his work on yuq's i think or ws inspired by
<arokux> oliv3r: so a clear question: does the code have enough info to develop a proper driver?
<bbrezillon> arokux: I based my work on retro engineering work done by others (yuq, hno, slapin and rz2k), but most of the code I submited is new and provides a clean mtd dev interface
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<arokux> bbrezillon: hi :) so you have enough info to get a full driver for NAND?
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<bbrezillon> yes, I do
<bbrezillon> and the driver (in its current state) works
<arokux> bbrezillon: this is really cool.
<bbrezillon> randomizer is still missing (but I'm working on it)
<bbrezillon> and eventually, we have to solve the boot0 partition cas
<bbrezillon> case
<arokux> bbrezillon: if you need some testing to be done let me know
<bbrezillon> to be able to write a bootable SPL from linux
<bbrezillon> arokux:of course! no specific tests in mind, but I guess you could try to boot from another media (MMC ?) and use UBI/UBIFS on top of it
<bbrezillon> (on top of your NAND device)
<arokux> "use UBI/UBIFS on top of it" -- to try to read from NAND?
<bbrezillon> no, to do whatever you want
<bbrezillon> I said ubi/ubifs because JFFS2 does not support MLC nands
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<bbrezillon> and I'm not sure there's any board out there using SLC NANDs
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<arokux> bbrezillon: sorry. I'm new to this area. you mean I could try formatting it and using it as storage? but can I read existing NAND content - there is android installed there?
<bbrezillon> nope
<bbrezillon> because this content is formatted using the AW nand layer (or libnand)
<bbrezillon> which is abstracting the NAND to a block device
<arokux> bbrezillon: ah, I see...
<bbrezillon> and, I'm using the standard way to expose a NAND device (mtd dev)
<arokux> bbrezillon: where do you host your code?
<bbrezillon> I guess you can write your android system on a UBIFS volume (but I'm not sure, because I've never done any android dev)
<arokux> bbrezillon: I'm not going to play with android, I just didn't want to trash it on the NAND.
<arokux> bbrezillon: where do you host your code?
<bbrezillon> On my machine :P. More seriously, I haven't created a git repo yet (I definitely should). But you can find my patches on the sunxi ML
<arokux> bbrezillon: ok :) I'd wait for a public git repo :p
<gzamboni> the dma /sound /spi code and registers from the A23 sdk are quite different then for the A10 /A13 and A20 SoCs
<arokux> gzamboni: hi, they say you work on dma?
<gzamboni> i did, but as the registers are quite different from the A10 device i have here i passed my code to mripard because apparently the A23 registers are similar from those of the A31
<gzamboni> i dont have any A31 and A23 devices
<arokux> gzamboni: but A10 also has dmaengine?
<gzamboni> we will probably need to split the drivers for A10/A13/A20 and A23/A31 for the spi/dma and sound
<arokux> gzamboni: so are you working on dma for A10/A13/A20?
<gzamboni> yes, but i didnt have time to continue on that this week, maybe this weekend/next week. and also im not that experienced so i dont know if i will be capable of doing it.
<gzamboni> i just want to say, dont count on me finishing this, i will try my best
<arokux> gzamboni: I'm just asking, same with me actually :)
<arokux> months of poking then somebody else knowledgebable comes around and hacks a driver together in two days.
<arokux> but at least I've provided a working proof of concept
<arokux> it was however for a very easy glue driver, usb host
<arokux> bbl
<gzamboni> my goal is to advance in the kernel and drivers knowloge. it seems working with sunxi drivers is a good way, either as we have some working drivers from the comunity and from allwinner
<gzamboni> dma is kind of complex, i cant fully understand, but its what we need to keep going with all other stuff
<gzamboni> ccaione, shouldnt the AXP20x driver be in /drivers/power ?
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<oliv3r> gzamboni: try looking at registers from mripards A31 stuff
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<wens> gzamboni: it's a multifunction device, so it's in mfd
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<wens> gzamboni: the A23 DMA driver seems to use proper DMA engine API?
<gzamboni> yes, it uses the dmaengine and virtualdma
<wens> and the old driver?
<gzamboni> none of them
<ccaione> gzamboni: MFD
<gzamboni> because of the temperature sensor ?
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<oliv3r> temp; battery, voltage regulation, gpio's
<gzamboni> yes, i did forget the gpio extensor
<oliv3r> power input button
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<gzamboni> can anyone explain me the dram parameters on the fex, i heard in the mainline it autodetects it, is it true ? i dont see any dram parameters in the devices dts at least
<oliv3r> no it's not true
<oliv3r> u-boot sets and configures dram
<oliv3r> kernel doesn't touch memory controller
<bbrezillon> arokux: my linux-sunxi repo: https://github.com/bbrezillon/linux-sunxi
<bbrezillon> arokux: you'll find the appropriate branch (there's only one :P)
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<gzamboni> oliv3r, how does the same uboot handle different memories without flex in mainline ? afaik the dram params from the fex were handled by the kernel
<oliv3r> it doesn't
<oliv3r> it wasn't
<oliv3r> u-boot always handled the setup of the memory controller
<oliv3r> the kernel does touch the memory controller in a10/a13 for standby
<oliv3r> but doesn't change the setup
<oliv3r> only u-boot ever does that
<gzamboni> so the dram parameters from the fex are only for standby mode ?
<oliv3r> no
<oliv3r> they are there for livesuit
<oliv3r> livesuit takes the fex; does some autodetecting and changes boot0 or 'something' (we are not sure)
<oliv3r> the dram_para in the fex is 100% ignored by the kernel
<gzamboni> oh, ok
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<gzamboni> thanks for clearifing this to me
<oliv3r> :)
<oliv3r> we need an 'indepth' sunxi devroom :p
<ccaione> for what?
<oliv3r> anything sunxi related!
<oliv3r> i'll do a talk about the BROM :p
<oliv3r> 15 mminutes or so
<oliv3r> 10 min talk; 5 min questiosn
<gzamboni> :) oliver when can i buy your book ?
<oliv3r> july :p and that will not be indepth at all :)
<gzamboni> write another after :-)
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<oliv3r> :p
<Turl> oliv3r: LDD4! ;)
<gzamboni> ldd 4! +1
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<binaryferret> Hi guys, I'm going through the steps of adding a new device, I have it booting up with built uboot and kernel etc however when connecting a keyboard to the device it doesn't seem to draw any power to the keyboard. Can someone point me in the general direction of where I should be probing to figure out why?
<binaryferret> It's an Allwinner A20 soc.
<Turl> binaryferret: are you connecting it to a host port?
<binaryferret> I only have the one port for usb devices on the tablet.
<Turl> probably the same one you use for FEL right?
<binaryferret> I didn't use it for FEL, i got the required info from the a10-meminfo-static
<Turl> yeah, but if you had to use livesuit you'd use that one right?
<binaryferret> Yar.
<Turl> then it's an OTG port
<Turl> do you have a proper OTG cable?
<binaryferret> I have one that works when I boot into android (just tested that to make sure it wasn't faulty hardware)
<Turl> may be a bug onour kernel then
<Turl> on our*
<binaryferret> Although the keyboard that I have connected is also connected via a PS2-to-USB connector as I couldn't find my normal spare usb keyboard.
<Turl> there was a usb patch on the ML list from this week related to power
<binaryferret> Cool ok. I will have a look and see about applying that.
<Turl> but if that keyboard worked on android then it should work here
<binaryferret> Ahh right.y
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<arokux> bbrezillon: thanks, i'll give it a try.
<Turl> omg, 50% off on versatile express! :P
<Turl> now they just cost 3k$
<lioka> lol
<oliv3r> pff, that's an hour worth of work!
<oliv3r> lets get 10
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<binaryferret> I turned on usb debuggin and get an error from sunxi_usb/manager/usb_manager.c saying that the det_vbus pin is invalid. I checked the fex file and it's set to usb_det_vbus_gpio = "axp_ctrl"
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<Turl> binaryferret: doesn't sound like a pin :)
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<mnemoc> rehi
<arete74> is possible create an page Project on wiki howto can add project what use sunxi hw?
<oliv3r> go for it
<mnemoc> it's a free wiki :)
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<arete74> like to SunXi_in_The_Wild
<mnemoc> please use names that people will find
<mnemoc> or... search
<arete74> Projects is good?
<mnemoc> better than sunXi in the Wild.... specially considering that page names are case sensitive
<mnemoc> the sunxi name is already in the url, so no need to repeat it
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<ZetaNeta> Anyone tried MSI tablets? Like Primo 93?
<oliv3r> a31?
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<ZetaNeta> yup
<ZetaNeta> a31s
<mnemoc> there is 1yo a31s code in the liberated lichee dev branches on my github, but no one has even tried to merge anything... it's a nightmare even to try to linearized it
<oliv3r> with a23 (once we have dev hardware) it might be interesting to look at it
<oliv3r> since a23 looks more like a31s
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<Turl> oliv3r: I was told that A23 was uninteresting for dev boards
<Turl> no sata & no HDMI iirc
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<oliv3r> i said that i think :p
<oliv3r> but it's still a very good tablet chip
<oliv3r> so interesting to support
<oliv3r> and likley next chips will use the same IP's
<oliv3r> so having it to get started is good
<oliv3r> in any case, i think someon esaid it had HDMI
<oliv3r> so while sata is nice to have; it's not a deal breaker imo
<Turl> I can live without sata
<Turl> in fact I never used it :P
<Turl> all my boards have it, I should've at least once :)
<ccaione> argh, it always scary submit patches for the core
<oliv3r> sata performs really well; it's nice n fast
<Turl> ccaione: haha, tglx replied :)
<ccaione> and I replied to him :)
<Turl> yep
<ccaione> tglx is scary
<Turl> don't be scared, no bad patch is worth the cost of sending someone to pay you a visit :P
<ccaione> hahaha
<ccaione> uhmmm ... is the poweroff command effective with linux-sunxi kernel?
<Turl> ccaione: define effective
<Turl> if you have an axp it should power down the thing
<Turl> same as shutdown -h now
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<oliv3r> ccaione: sunxi-3.4 dosn't properly power down i think
<nove> help here, what should be the format, how should it look -> http://linux-sunxi.org/Register-mediawiki-extension
<ccaione> Turl: that's the problem, my board doesn't power off
<oliv3r> mine doens't either :p
<ccaione> ok, so I'll add support for poweroff with the axp patches
<oliv3r> i always have to hold the power button and force it off
<oliv3r> reboot works; as we use the watchdog for that
<Turl> my tablet shutdowns fine with 3.4
<ccaione> Turl: oh
<oliv3r> yeah i do recall old kernels
<ccaione> huuummm
<Turl> I haven't used the command though, I just hit shutdown on lxde or w/e
<oliv3r> snone of my olimex's nor cubies' do though
<Turl> maybe some missing axp conf on fex?
<oliv3r> on all boards?
<oliv3r> but likley
<Turl> compare with zatab fex if you want :P
<ccaione> ok, I'll add a patch
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<Turl> ccaione: now you got some explaining to do :P
<ccaione> hahah
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<ccaione> tglx is definitely a scary person
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<nove> as they said they would do, saturday's videos are uploaded at http://video.fosdem.org/2014
<nove> last chance to get a copy of the stream recording videos, will be DELETED as soon as i will see that all videos are uploaded
<oliv3r> we should compare the uploaded video's
<oliv3r> if ours have more content; i'd keep em :p
<oliv3r> obciously, most important one isn't uploaded yet; room K
* Turl runs to cp nove's dl folder onto his own
<Turl> j/k :P
<oliv3r> my talk isn't up yet :(
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<HdkR> Thanks for reminding me to watch one talk I missed
<oliv3r> you only missed 1 talk?
<HdkR> Well, one of the main ones I wanted to see :P
<oliv3r> nove: I guess the next big codec to support should be vp8/webm :p
<nove> oliv3r: there is vp8 poc, but vdpau api doesn't have support for it
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<nove> the api itself
<HdkR> Missed that one and I really wanted to see it
<oliv3r> nove: you mean vdpau doesn't support webm at all?
<oliv3r> how stupid is that
<oliv3r> time for an update :p
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