rz2k changed the topic of #linux-sunxi to: Allwinner/sunxi development discussion - Don't ask to ask. Just ask and wait! - See http://linux-sunxi.org | https://github.com/linux-sunxi/ | Logs at http://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-sunxi | FOSDEM talks - http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/users/nove/sunxi_at_fosdem2014/
<hno> kenny, Allwinner and linux-sunxi uses different machid numbers. You might need to adjust that (setenv machid ...) before starting a legacy Allwinner kernel.
<kenny> hno: I see that now on the manual build page. Thank you.
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<kenny> I find it odd that I've unplugged my CB2 yet I still get a dim red led. I guess it must get a little power over tty even with vcc hooked up.
<memleak> is it possible to get cubieboard2 to boot off of HDD?
<memleak> SATA of course
<kenny> Can anyone tell me why when I do a sysreq reboot it reboots to nand instead of MMC and if there's a way to change that?
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<hno> memleak, you will at least need the bootloader on mmc/sd or nand.
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<hno> there is patches adding SATA to u-boot.
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<memleak> hno, are those patches in sunxi branch>
<memleak> *?
<hno> no
<memleak> ok
<memleak> u-boot-sunxi/doc/README.sata is there...
<memleak> in sunxi branch^
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<memleak> does ext2load not work on cubieboard2 for some reason?
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<Turl> kenny: yes, some boards get vampire-powered via the serial console and it causes mmc boot not to work
<Turl> memleak: it should work just fine (from mmc of course)
<kenny> Turl: mmc boot works just fine except if I sysrq boot the thing. I figured it had to be over serial as I unplugged both HDMI and ethernet. It's also only when no SD card is in it. Doesn't hurt anything I guess, just strange.
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<memleak> Turl, how about from NAND?
<memleak> because NAND doesn't always boot from SD and i'd hate to play musical chairs to get it boot to SD, so it can boot to HDD
<Turl> memleak: to boot from nand you need to use the lichee-dev branch
<Turl> no sata there
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<Turl> and I don't know if you can extload from nand, it may just read raw partitions into memory
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<memleak> ah ok
<Turl> memleak: mmc has the precedence, as long as the card is there (and you don't have the vampire problem or sth) it'll always boot from it first
<memleak> i do have vampire problem but its not all the time
<memleak> does vampire problem go away when not using serial over FTDI?
<kenny> rc3 hangs with "Waiting for root device /dev/mmcblk0p3" (I have /boot on p1 and / on p3). Ideas?
<memleak> check /etc/fstab ?
<kenny> memleak: thanks, but it works with rc2, and fails with rc3 (I'm double-checking it still works with rc2), so it /shouldn't/ be something like that (I hope)
<memleak> what is this rc2 rc3 stuff?
<memleak> i roll my own rootfs so i don't know these things
<memleak> stage3-armv7a_hardfp-20140112.tar.bz2 :P
<kenny> oh, it's from the mailing list, hans updated his kernel sunxi-devel branch to 3.14-rc3 from 3.14-rc2, so I'm trying to build that
<memleak> oh kernel prereleases!
<memleak> sorry i thought you were talking about something else.
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<kenny> np, I don't really know what I'm doing so I'd rather more answers than fewer :)
<memleak> you have MMC support enabled in kernel?
<memleak> MMC block driver, etc?
<memleak> required filesystem such as EXT4? also i've had less issues compiling them in (Y / enabled) than (M / module) such as block device drivers, SCSI and filesystem
<kenny> I do... unless something changed between the versions. I'll menuconfig and see if there's anything new that it looks like I should add
<memleak> sounds like a good idea!
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<hno> Should work fine to drop sunxi-uboot in the NAND boot partition btw. Just can't do it at the first state bootloader just yet.
<hno> memleak ^
<hno> first stage ..
<memleak> first stage?
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<Turl> memleak: SPL-alike
<memleak> huh?
<memleak> im not using SPL.. im confused
<Turl> memleak: there's no "SPL for nand"
<Turl> that's what hno meant
<memleak> ohh!
<memleak> sorry, im new to u-boot
<memleak> more of a coreboot guy
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<memleak> mrnuke are you still actively working on coreboot for cubieboard2? still stuck on memory init>
<memleak> *?
<mrnuke> memleak: I don't have an A20, unless someone want to ship me one
<CaptHindsight> mripard: where are you located?
<CaptHindsight> woops mrnuke ^^
<CaptHindsight> mripard: sorry wrong nick
<mrnuke> In hinsight, I think I am located in Houston, TX
<CaptHindsight> mrnuke: that could be arranged
<memleak> in exchange for cubans :P
<CaptHindsight> then again A80 is shipping soon
<CaptHindsight> we have to fix tkimg tcl/tck
<mrnuke> if you wish to "arrange" that, just drop me an email. DISCLAIMER: no promises or commitments to any objective, and/or timeline/deadline are made
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<codekipper> Hi all, can someone confirm for me the size of uImage and dtb after building hans' sunxi-devel branch
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<codekipper> I'm getting 1760704 bytes for uImage and 16062 bytes for sun4i-a10-a1000.dtb
<codekipper> it seems very small but I understand there is quite a bit that isn't available at the moment.
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<codekipper> just want to get my mainlining hat back on.
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<codekipper> Oh and I forgot to mention that I wasn't using initrd.
<lioka> hno: nope, no fix in u-boot master yet, build still fails.
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<Turl> codekipper: I haven't checked, but it sounds about right
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<codekipper> Turl: Thanks, I was looking at the openwrt builds and they're around 2MB for uImage so in the right area.
<codekipper> I will have to try it and see.
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<hno> lioka, talked to Marex the other day about it and he thinks the proper way to fix things is to instruct compiler to not generate the hash section. But I don't know.
<hno> But it's more a discussion for #u-boot or it's mailinglist than here.
<lioka> hno: what's your gcc shows in -dumpspecs around *link: ?
<lioka> hno: particularly, does it sets explicitly hash-style ?
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<hno> Err.. why did that get password protected?
<lioka> hno: anyway, we have at least two workarounds, and as for me, this u-boot devs attitude smells like 'we're so special' mantra, which i've used to ignore.
<lioka> if one's gcc is good enough to 10000+ packages, it should be good ehough for u-boot
<hno> Gah.. bug in fpaste. Uses description as password. Password is "arm-gcc-specs"
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<hno> lioka, there is less only about a handful number of standalone binaries like u-boot in your average distribution, and they all have to deal with these things to varying degrees.
<hno> u-boot, kernel, syslinux, grub, maybe something more.
<hno> right, ipxe also.
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<bjoernb> my cubietruck with installed debian on microsd does not output anything on vga.
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<rellla> jemk: are you reading vdr-portal.de?
<jemk> rellla: yes, sometimes i look whats happening there
<rellla> just asking, because you seem to solve problems i recently mentioned there :p
<jemk> :p
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<gzamboni> email service is down, disk inodes at 100% , im checking those bastards
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<NermaN> Running around two weeks on mainline 3.13.2 kernel on Cubieboard, as router and dl server, seem stable =)
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<bjoernb> vga works now it was disabled in script.bin on the boot partition.
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<gzamboni> email service is back, zilions of sess_ files in /var/lib/php5
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<oliv3r> gzamboni: what are those files? i usually have them in /tmp; not painfull, just annoying
<oliv3r> i figured they are apache sessions
<oliv3r> but what, expired?
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<Montjoie> php session must be put away from /tmp, and disk inodes should be monitored and graphed:)
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<gzamboni> oliv3r, seems like active session files, maybe i got a bot that did create lot of sessions and caused the disks inodes to be up to 100% and stop the services
<gzamboni> i still did not analyse the serve logs, i will do this evening when i will have some time
<gzamboni> first time it happened
<gzamboni> the partition comes to a readonly mode and everything you try to write or create it says not enought disk space, even if you do have disk space
<gzamboni> and using the rm command i couldnt delete it, i had to do a: find . -name 'sess_*' | xargs rm
<gzamboni> with the rm command i did receive: Argument list too long
<oliv3r> PUNEET AT IT AGAIN!
<oliv3r> too many files then
<oliv3r> yeah, rm *, turns into rm file1 file2 file3 ...
<oliv3r> so yeah; have seen that happen
<gzamboni> yeah, now its ok, df -i 5%
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<Montjoie> seems you do not monitor enougth:)
<gzamboni> i also changed some php session configurations to prevent this from happening again, but i will have to look onto it deeper this evening
<gzamboni> what do you suggest, a bash script that checks it and in case it gets more then 80% it triggers an email warning ?
<Montjoie> no a real monitor software like nagios/xymon, I use the latter
<gzamboni> those are interesting for monitoring several servers, i have only one
<Montjoie> you have lots of thing to be monitored just with one server
<Montjoie> logs/smart/raid/cpu/sensors
<gzamboni> most of the things my datacenter monitor it for me, but they dont do inodes
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<nove> translation of last week: xbmc developers left when they realized that wasn't so easy to add support for sunxi. The few lost users that are around here, are as the general xbmc users with a high demands of what to expect of a player. And as the user realize that xbmc doesn't work okay, they think sunxi is bad. Without realizing the amount of work that still need to be done, until xbmc support can done without problems.
<nove> To keep hacking xbmc to work with what we have right now, feels like wasting time because hopeful in some months things will be better, and this time could be better used to work in other things.
<nove> In that so, i think is better to say, that we don't support xbmc, xbmc is not working, use another player or android.
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<paulk-collins> running gnome-shell on the fedora image hangs for a moment and then turns the tablet off
<bjoernb> the sunxi-mali test fails for me with this error: http://dpaste.com/1653889/ can anybody help me?
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<nove> jemk: any requests for the tracer?
<nove> jemk: i am rewriting to remove the "i don't know valgrind enough, so i do minimal changes with afraid of breaking something"
<jemk> nove: not really at the moment, I'm pretty happy with it. maybe faking register contents, but thats not terrible important
<nove> jemk: will have support for faking, is already working, needs cleaning, and test for mistakes
<nove> ok
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<oliv3r> paulk-collins: was that the !hansg image?
<paulk-collins> yes
<paulk-collins> with llvmpipe and the turbofb driver
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<gzamboni> mripard, you did the dma for the A31 =)
<mripard> yep :)
<mripard> most of the architecture can even be reused for the older SoCs
<gzamboni> nice work !
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<gzamboni> i will have a closer look as soon as i can :)
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<juan_> nove, what happen last week regarding xbmc?
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<nove> juan_: is not only last week, but something that keeps showing up, some xbmc users when see that xbmc has problems working, they put the blame in that sunxi community/hardware is in fault, and spread this around
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<mripard> gzamboni: it took me quite a while to figure out how the hardware was working, and what I wanted to do with it
<mripard> don't hesitate to ask
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<nove> juan_: the problems are real, but is not our fault, we are working to make a xbmc port possible the right way, but this takes time
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<bjoernb> i installed the turbofb on cubietruck however the test does not work for me.
<bjoernb> the sunxi-mali test fails for me with this error: http://dpaste.com/1653889/ can anybody help me?
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<oliv3r> paulk-collins: i don't know how old the image is, but fbturbo has had serious stability issues
<oliv3r> paulk-collins: they may have been fixed in git
<paulk-collins> I built it from git last week
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<mnemoc> spank ssvb
<nove> can someone with better PR skills write something at top of http://linux-sunxi.org/XBMC
<nove> big red warning font, to explain to the lost users, that xbmc is not ready
<oliv3r> i tried to use fbturbo for fosdem; on a very clean setup with a 3.4 kernel; and fbturbo kept crashing either at the login screen, or beyond. even moving or resizing a window was causing it. I wasn't using softpipe though; and only X was crashing
<oliv3r> nove: will do
<oliv3r> today or tomorrow
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<nove> like what exists are only hacks, and to have a smooth xbmc experience in sunxi there are still work to done, and when that is done a good xbmc port will be possible
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<nove> ok, i just feel lost in wording to put on, without leaving the user with the wrong view
<oliv3r> yeah
<oliv3r> i'll make it big bad and mean
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<nove> and this type of users are high risk, the will jump quick to the next toy with bigger number
<juan__> nove, but it is so far away having a functional XBMC?
<nove> it will be more useful to work in other things, than to make this "few" happy
<nove> juan__: do you want a good xbmc or a half baked xbmc?
<juan__> I want to help
<juan__> and I think having a working xbmc is really useful to attract users
<nove> juan__: to make xbmc work, the gpu + vpu + display controller have to work all together, this is not possible right now without those problems that are seeing
<nove> juan__: attract users is good, but there are bigger priorities to work on
<nove> juan__: and attracting users to get more complain is not good
<nove> juan__: in what things can you help?
<juan__> the current path is problematic. VDPAU+XBMC needs GL_NV_vdpau_interop OpenGL extension in order to work. And that extension is not present in OpenGL ES
<juan__> XBMC compiling infraestructure doesn't even contemplate compiling with both opengles + vdpau
<ssvb> oliv3r: this is a bit surprising, I have not seen any crashes in normal x11 desktop
<jemk> GL_NV_vdpau_interop is from the pc world, where gpu does the video decoding. It won't work that easy for us
<oliv3r> ssvb: this was a week or 10 days before fosdem
<oliv3r> hmm maybe 5 days before
<ssvb> oliv3r: any problem that is not reported and/or is not reproducible, just does not exist ;)
<ssvb> paulk-collins: 'turns the tablet off' might sound like some problem in the kernel
<paulk-collins> "any problem that is not reported and/or is not reproducible, just does not exist ;)" you're my hero :)
<paulk-collins> ssvb, probably. Now I think I should try to get UART out of this thing and see what really happens.
<ssvb> paulk-collins: that would help a lot, and maybe the same problem could be tested on a devboard with easily accessible UART
<paulk-collins> my guess is that it's very specific to that particular tablet, so I'm afraid using another board wouldn't help
<paulk-collins> but I should also test with 3.4 before anything else
<ssvb> paulk-collins: hmm, what are you testing now?
<paulk-collins> an old 3.0
<paulk-collins> from, well, likely more than 6 months now
<paulk-collins> it'd an old Replicant/Android build I did
<juan__> nove, it would be nice in addition to the disclaimer at linux-sunxi.org/XBMC to have/to draw a list of steps that are needed to get xbmc to work
<ssvb> paulk-collins: this might explain a lot, is the framebuffer size (width * height * bytes per pixel) a multiple of 4096 bytes?
<juan__> for those devs brave enough
<paulk-collins> ssvb, it's RGB565 1 plane normally
<paulk-collins> and resolution should be 480 * 800
<paulk-collins> do the math
<paulk-collins> it's not a multiple
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<nove> juan__: step 1, a sunxi kvm driver, libv is already working in that (don't ask when is done, is bad manners and bad for moral)
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<nove> juan__: step 2, start the cedar hardware FLOSS driver kernel side(jemk is looking at that, i think) + something for the userland side
<ssvb> paulk-collins: hmm, the sunxi-3.0 branch should also have https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/commit/33378ca6460eb6bbb6bd08e96146997fde8a3509
<ssvb> paulk-collins: are you using the latest sunxi-3.0 branch or something else?
<paulk-collins> ssvb, I don't use UMP anyway
<ssvb> paulk-collins: oh, how are you running the "gnome-shell on the fedora image" then?
<ssvb> paulk-collins: having no UMP means no GLES support in X11
<paulk-collins> ssvb, no no, it's another device
<paulk-collins> gnome-shell/fedora is on the zatab
<paulk-collins> what I'm talking about is a Q88 A13 tablet
<juan__> nove, i'm a developer. but completely new to this really-close-to-hardware world. learning, though.
<paulk-collins> ssvb, the zatab has no particular battery problem with fedora btw
<oliv3r> ssvb: i thought libv brought it up with you :)
<nove> juan__: step 3, the lima driver project resulting in a usable driver, this will take loots of time, again don't ask when is finished
<juan__> nove, not worth trying the blobs?
<nove> juan__: you notice, i didn't speak about binaries blobs, they only give problems that aren't so easy to fix
<nove> juan__: we have already all that is need, is only need to do the work for a FLOSS driver
<nove> juan__: if you know how to code and want to help, then see what is being done and ask questions, you will quick find some thing that you be able to help in
<bertrik> I don't mind helping too, I have an Olimex A10-lime, but I'm afraid all the "easy" stuff has already been done
<nove> 1. observe, 2. interact, 3. start coding
<jemk> I try to write the kernel driver at the moment, based on v4l2, but that will need a lot more time. And in userspace we might can reuse the samsung things, they also use v4l for their vpu
<Wizzup> jemk: their interface is barely usable though
<Wizzup> mfc that is
<jemk> Wizzup: at least there seems to be an omx wrapper, but i don't know if it works
<juan__> thanks nove. you'are being really nice :)
<juan__> i'll be observing
<Wizzup> jemk: I like whatever mplayer/mpv can use
<Wizzup> ;)
<Wizzup> mostlhy
<Wizzup> mostly*
<nove> do sunxi have the moment to get in a google summer of code?
<nove> i think we do
<nove> what about if we try?
<jemk> It looks like there is nearly no application using the v4l codec api, so there has to be done some work too.
<nove> "Registration opens on March 10"
<nove> jemk: you are a student?
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<ssvb> oliv3r: appears that the 'best' distro guys are lurking in http://www.cubieforums.net/ (at least they use more or less up-to date sunxi-3.4 kernels for their images)
<nove> no idea how gsoc works, so i don't when know if we(sunxi) can qualify
<jemk> nove: yes, im a student
<ssvb> oliv3r: for example, I don't know what software configuration paulk-collins is using, which snapshot of the kernel, etc.
<ssvb> oliv3r: and this makes it difficult for troubleshooting
<nove> mnemoc: oliv3r, ^^^
<jemk> nove: the mentoring organizations already have been chosen for this year
<jemk> nove: published about one hour ago ;)
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<ssvb> oliv3r: some of the problems are difficult to workaround in a backwards compatible manner, for example old bugs triggered by 'magic' screen resolutions
<ssvb> oliv3r: the 2GB bus/physical addresses mismatch issue reproducible with old kernels on the cubietruck is another example
<nove> too bad, maybe we can squeeze in, there is debian and fedora has kernel tag
<oliv3r> ssvb: i was using 'debootstrap debian' with libv's/our 'packages'
<oliv3r> was using hansg's fedora 19 3.4 kernel
<oliv3r> i try to reproduce with latest stuff
<oliv3r> but didn't use git nothing
<nove> but is too much of a push, what a distro has to do with a vpu
* nove only notice now that there is 4 pages
<ssvb> oliv3r: ok, I'll also try to run some more tests
<oliv3r> ssvb: i'm writing a new chapter based on debootstrap now; so i'll poke you about it
<oliv3r> where does the fbturbo package come from? packages.sunxi.org?
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<ssvb> oliv3r: the sources are available at https://github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-fbturbo and they can be built using the instructions from https://github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-fbturbo/wiki/Installation
<ssvb> oliv3r: the packages at packages.sunxi.org are probably also fine, but I'm not using debian normally
<paulk-collins> ssvb, yup, that's what I did
<nove> libv, you have more experience, do a project to add the first fully open source vpu to the kernel, will be something that has the chance to be part of X.Org Foundation for google summer of code?
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<hramrach> X does not do much with the vpu
<hramrach> you can convince some of the X people to sponsor it but it's only tangentially related
<oliv3r> freedesktop foundation*
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<hramrach> like if you put things together correctly X and vpu will use the same buffer manager and not step on each others buffers
<nove> well is graphics, but is more V4L related
<nove> Linaro, or the The Linux Foundation?
<hramrach> *maybe
<hramrach> I guess if Linaro does gsoc this is the kind of thing they would sponsor but they do not do sunxi, do they?
<nove> the vpu in the kernel will be the first of it kind, other will use it a reference to write drivers
<oliv3r> it's a pretty big and 'difficult' step
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<jemk> nove: not really, there are v4l based vpu drivers in kernel, samsung mfc for example (but they talk to a firmware blob)
<Turl> there's some 'umbrella orgs'
<Turl> you could talk to them and see if they'd be willing to help
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<oliv3r> well the mfc driver is quite different isnt' it
<oliv3r> basically; a part of the 'driver' is shifted to the firmware, and you just push/shove data to it/from it isn't it?
<jemk> oliv3r: right
<oliv3r> if you wanna get accepted for GSoC you'd have to hurry though
<Turl> oliv3r: nah
<Turl> oliv3r: student openings haven't opened yet
<oliv3r> well to get accepted as a project :)
<oliv3r> i saw gentoo has been accepted today; and we have nothing yet :)
<Turl> oliv3r: org applications were feb 3 to 14
<Turl> students' are march 10-21
<oliv3r> well it's feb 24'th so 10 days to late :)
<nove> jemk: if you are really up to, don't be still, do has Turl says, look for organizations and ask them if this is something that fit in and has chances of acceptation
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<Turl> oliv3r: I actually tried to GSoC last year :p it'd be nice to get linux sunxi on it
<Turl> maybe next year :)
<oliv3r> you tried?
<oliv3r> but yeah, sunxi as org next year sounds good
<Turl> yeah, I made a proposal to mainline the BBB patch pile
<nove> or we can do our sunxi summer of code, and do a crow funding and annoying those company that are getting profit for our work for some $
<oliv3r> we need to get under the SIP or whatever it was called umbrella thing so we can start accepting donations
<Turl> Soft in the Public Interest?
<oliv3r> well I have to admit; XBMC is a pretty important target to reach
<oliv3r> rasbpmc is a very popular distro, so to speak :)
<Turl> I mean they listed hardware and firmware :p
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<nove> that is a good one
<nove> it tag reverse engineering
<oliv3r> if we get XBMC running, on lima, on sunxi-vdpau, sunxi-kms
<oliv3r> i bet we'll tripple our users!
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<nove> jemk: ^
<oliv3r> but all in good time
<oliv3r> we've got a year to show something off at fosdem
<oliv3r> i think this years fosdem was amazing enough in showing stuff off
<oliv3r> A23 user manual
<oliv3r> Attached is A23 user manual, for your reference.
<oliv3r> wakey wakey
<oliv3r> fine! i'll just upload it ):
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<patapovich> oliv3r: c'mon stop that
<oliv3r> hmm?
<patapovich> oliv3r: ment teasing
<oliv3r> it's uploaded :)
<patapovich> reading now :D
<Turl> oliv3r: wat? :p
<oliv3r> Turl: real the url
<Turl> who got it to you?
<oliv3r> A23 == A31
<oliv3r> Emily
<Turl> and who's that? :p
<oliv3r> allwinner (tm)
<Turl> oliv3r: :o
<Turl> oliv3r: gotta love the watermark :p
<oliv3r> 'RSB'
<Turl> oliv3r: ?
<oliv3r> Reduced Serial Bus
<oliv3r> no docs
<Turl> The RSB TM (Reduced Serial Bus) is a push-pull two wire bus developed by Allwinner Technology that supports
<Turl> multiple devices. It supports speed up to 20MHz.
<Turl> o.O
<Turl> oliv3r: there's no known errata at least :p
<oliv3r> thermal measurement IP
<oliv3r> so a real one, instead of touchscreen
<hramrach> you cannot have errata for something that has no specs
<hramrach> yeah, standard watermnark
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<hramrach> every manual has that, does it not?
<oliv3r> quick, someone check if there's hdmi :)
<oliv3r> i don't see sata though; nor emac
<oliv3r> anyway, we should now shift our focus towards a23 support, as a60/70 will probably be like that
<oliv3r> also MIPI DSI added; so MIPI display/camera possible
<oliv3r> i think the proto has been REed
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<hramrach> no HDMI in the docs
<hramrach> not the a23 tablets os it kind of matches
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<Nazcafan> the toolchain wiki recommends to add dynamic links with the real names on /usr/bin, I found that a little bit overkill
<Nazcafan> I usually would use a ~/bin/ folder for that instead of clobbering /usr/bin/
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<Turl> Nazcafan: feel free to fix, it's a wiki :)
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<Nazcafan> only if you guys feel it's better that way