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<Seppoz> hi guys
<Seppoz> anyone ever used tslib with cap. tocuh panel?
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<Turl> Seppoz: why would you do so?
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<robincook> hi,
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<Nazcafan> hi
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<Nazcafan> in the wiki "toolchain" page, I see one of the steps is to get and install code sourcery, is this a compulsory step?
<ccaione> Nazcafan: you need a crosscompiler
<ccaione> not specifically codesourcery
<Nazcafan> oh wait
<Nazcafan> I think I am basicallly installing two crosscompilers, then
<Nazcafan> I installed emdebian.org
<Nazcafan> and now I was following the next instructions
<Nazcafan> but I guess I don't need codesourcery, then, right?
<ccaione> you just need one
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<Nazcafan> I made that mistake partly because the CodeSourcery section on the wiki was at a higher level than the other ones, so I assumed code sourcery was basically some kind of IDE I had to install on top of the toolchain
<Nazcafan> will fix that
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<Nazcafan> I am surpried by the sheer size of the uboot-sunxi repository, I was expecting something super small
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<oliv3r_> Nazcafan: how so? u-boot supports many many targets
<Nazcafan> I have to go
<Nazcafan> oliv3r_, I probably grossly underestimated the volumetry of necessary source code
<oliv3r_> ah :)
<oliv3r_> well the resulting binary is about 240 kb
<oliv3r_> with spl being 24k
<oliv3r_> so yeah, u-boot is pretty small
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<oliv3r> but the codebase, the git repository has a lot of history and supports more
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<oliv3r> so, anybody experienced with (a)getty and serial consoles and passwordless logins?
<oliv3r> i've been struggling for 4 hours now; and i am about to give up
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<lioka> oliv3r: you're aware of /etc/securetty, right ?
<oliv3r> yeah i've added ttyS0 to there :)
<oliv3r> but afaik that only allwows root to login from there?
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<oliv3r> i should also mention systemd somewhere :p
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<lioka> well, i wish you luck then
<oliv3r> LOL
<oliv3r> thanks
<nabblet> oliv3r: why do you need tty for a non-root user?
<oliv3r> for pro-root
<oliv3r> i want a passwordless, always on, root shell on ttyS0
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<nabblet> oliv3r: what OS?
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<nabblet> or distro
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<oliv3r> nabblet: fedora 19; but most importantly to note is that it's using systemd :)
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<oliv3r> i thought mingetty would do the trick; but mingetty doens't work on serial
<nabblet> oliv3r: oh, ok...
<oliv3r> hah
<oliv3r> told you it wasn't easy
<oliv3r> i know which file to edit, /lib/systemd/system/serial-getty@.service
<oliv3r> normally there's agetty that works from there
<oliv3r> but i don't have a password at this point yet for the system, so can't login yet
<oliv3r> i tried using login -f root; but login doesn't allow root as forced user
<lioka> oliv3r: strip asterisk from shadow
<lioka> like root::...
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<lioka> and afair systemd, providing you have console=ttyS0... in cmdline, is clever enough to make serial console automagically
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<oliv3r> lioka: i do get the serial console; but it requires me to login
<oliv3r> i have modified shadow with a known password (copy shadow from my hsot to my target system, so should be known)
<oliv3r> but noppers
<lioka> oliv3r: just guessing: perms on /bin/login ?
<lioka> like lost suid ?
<atsampson> login shouldn't be suid...
<atsampson> can you persuade your init to run "getty -a yourusername 38400 tty1"? that's what I do with sysvinit for automatic login
<lioka> i'm not on fedora, so ...
<atsampson> (where getty is agetty, on that machine)
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<oliv3r> i want it to be root though :)
<oliv3r> and afaik, agetty doesn't do -a root
<oliv3r> mingetty does do autologin, but doesn't do serial
<oliv3r> there's that
<oliv3r> but that's for virtual terminals
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<Turl> oliv3r: don't you have an automatic console already?
<atsampson> oliv3r: "agetty -a root" works fine for me on Debian, and I can't see anything to prevent it in the source
<atsampson> do Fedora have a patch or some funny PAM config?
<oliv3r> Turl: but i can't login :p
<oliv3r> atsampson: PAM config maybe, but i simply did a man agetty on google to find out there' sno autologin support :)
<oliv3r> but i'm happy to try that
<Turl> oliv3r: passwd -u root?
<oliv3r> Turl: yeah that's the problem :p
<oliv3r> i want to take screenshots from the fedora installer
<oliv3r> so i have fbcat for that
<oliv3r> i did the xzcat fedora > sd card
<atsampson> oliv3r: I think -a got added at some point during the util-linux-ng period -- it's in Debian stable's version so I'd expect it's in Fedora's
<oliv3r> mount the sdcard and start hacking awyay
<oliv3r> i copied my shadow to the sd card and figured, that should work; but alas
<oliv3r> dont' ask me why, it's stupid
<oliv3r> Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info
<Turl> oliv3r: can't you use a normal user?
<oliv3r> great
<oliv3r> localhost login: root (automatic login)
<oliv3r> yeah i'm about to add that :p
<oliv3r> atsampson: so that doens't even work :( but agetty -a root DOES seem tow ork :)
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<oliv3r> AARRGHHH
<Turl> oliv3r: just use a normal user :p or suid your app
<oliv3r> this is a 'installer' rootfs
<oliv3r> so there's no user, there's no nothing yet
<oliv3r> i'm just annoyed that i can't manage to get it to work :p
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<oliv3r> yay
<oliv3r> omg atsampson thanks :D
<oliv3r> made a new imagine; and does work
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<ccaione> puneet B is going totally OT
<oliv3r> i've 1200 messages behind
<Turl> ccaione: he must be the king of handholdingland
<Turl> :p
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<ccaione> Turl: I'm replying. I'm a bit annoyed of his "Kindly tell me."
<Turl> ccaione: at least he writes kindly :D
<ccaione> at least
<Turl> he has sent like 90 emails
<Turl> oliv3r has barely over 200 on a rough count :p
<ccaione> I think we should redirect him to a cubieboard-specific ml
<Turl> ccaione: what is he asking about now?
<Turl> tempting, dx is trying to sell me a 30$ quadcopter
<ccaione> How to split stereo input into two mono outputs.
<ccaione> on generic soundcard
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<Turl> tell him to find an alsa ML and ask there :p
<ccaione> not ever sunxi related
<ccaione> s/ever/even/
<ccaione> I told him to stay in topic
<oliv3r> Turl: you count mails? and guess how many of those 200 went TO puneet :)
<oliv3r> how is that alsa related?
<oliv3r> send him to electrical enginering for noobs.com
<oliv3r> solder some wires, done
<ccaione> yeah :D
<oliv3r> now the downmixing the 2 stereo's two mono, sure
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<Turl> oliv3r: wait what?
<Turl> stereo input?
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<oliv3r> ohj INPUT
<oliv3r> i only read the mono outputs :p
<oliv3r> erm yeah stereo input e.g. dual mics via the stereo mic conector and treat them as a seperate mic
<oliv3r> yeah 100% alsa
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<oliv3r> wow, running from a class 4 sd card is horridly slow
<Turl> oliv3r: my pain exactly :p
<oliv3r> i'm spoiled by running from an SSD
<Turl> oliv3r: if you put rootfs on nand it's bearable
<Turl> (unless you got a nandless board :p)
<oliv3r> na cb3
<Turl> cool, tsvetan is giving away a JTAG today :)
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<oliv3r> really?
<oliv3r> awesome :)
<oliv3r> Turl: but what is 'a jtag' in your eyes?
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<oliv3r> ah ok
<oliv3r> i got a never used expensive bus blaster ;)
<Turl> :p
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<gzamboni_> anyone knows what are the pins MIC1OUTN and MIC1OUTP from the A10&A20 ICs ? Amplified realtime output of whats coming in in MIC1IN ?
<Turl> gzamboni_: datasheet lists them as MIC Negative/Positive Output, Analog
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<gzamboni_> ok, thanks, i didnt found it on the A10 datasheet
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<Turl> gzamboni_: A20 one :)
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<Turl> morfoh: \o
<morfoh> Turl: yup
<morfoh> Turl: wrong window? :)
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<ZetaNeta> hello
<ZetaNeta> i am again on the topic of how terrible CC is, and why should we have all documentation under GFDL
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<Turl> ZetaNeta: I'd suggest you go read the backlog
<Turl> bbl
<ZetaNeta> Turl, Assuming that i didnt is the wrong turn :3
<Turl> ZetaNeta: well, if you had you'd know you were claiming random BS and you wouldn't want to retake the convo :p
<Turl> anyway, bbl
<ZetaNeta> 1. I am scared about the images. 2. I wanted to write a "cleaner" guide to do images, but basing it on "the only original" forces me to use CC.
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<Turl> ZetaNeta: would you call a drawing you made of a house a derivate work of a book on how to draw houses?
<Turl> ZetaNeta: as for 2, you're not forced to release it under CC
<Turl> just give attribution
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<ZetaNeta> Turl, As for 1, there is alot of people who may disagree
<ZetaNeta> As for 2, i agree that CC does not require me to keep the licence, like 4-clause BSD doesnt
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<Seppoz> is there some sunxi function like S5PV210_GPJ3(6)
<ZetaNeta> But, you get that it doesnt really matter
<Turl> Seppoz: what does that do?
<Turl> ZetaNeta: so what's your worry then?
<ZetaNeta> You can relicence... as long as the new licence does not grant rights which violate the old licence
<ZetaNeta> And thats damn lots of licences
<ZetaNeta> Writing CC documentation for a GPL thing.... Its a wrong way to do things. Not just wrong, but TOTALLY WRONG
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<Turl> ZetaNeta: did you even read the license?
<mripard> ZetaNeta: it depends on the CC used.
<ZetaNeta> Turl, I did
<ZetaNeta> It even feels like you didnt
<ZetaNeta> mripard, We are talking about some exact CC licence here.
<Turl> ZetaNeta: the only restrictions are attribution and anti-DRM
<rz2k> Turl: samsungsoc_GP<gpioport>(<gpionumber>) is a dumb macro for enumerating and ease of access to samsung SoCs gpios. they have it like that since s3c
<rz2k> Seppoz probably wants same for AW
<Turl> uboot has one I think
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<ZetaNeta> Turl, This makes it incompatible with most opensource licences i know
<Turl> oliv3r would be the one to ask
<ZetaNeta> oliv3r!!!
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<Turl> ZetaNeta: just like GPLv3 with many licenses?
<mripard> ZetaNeta: ah yes, I didn't see the previous discussion, sorry
<Turl> that doesn't make it "wrong"
<Turl> mripard: we like having pointless discussions here :p
<ZetaNeta> Turl, Anyone could put pieces of information, for ex. in README
<mripard> Turl: it's true that CC-BY doesn't have a copyleft though. Like ZetaNeta was saying, it's very much like a BSD licence
<ZetaNeta> mripard, Like a 4-clause one
<ZetaNeta> Dont forget that
<Turl> so what's the problem?
<Turl> put the info on your readme :)
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<Turl> and a line saying where you toojk it from
<ZetaNeta> Turl, Distributing it together with the GPL software, thats what is wrong
<Turl> as long as your readnme doesn't have DRM, you'll be fine
<ZetaNeta> Turl, In this crazy world its not a question of "Just dont do this and you will be fine"
<ZetaNeta> Its a questions if its legally possible or not
<Turl> ZetaNeta: so what's legally impossible of shipping GPL software with a CC bit of text?
<Turl> CC doesn't prohibit you from doing so
<ZetaNeta> Both newer BSD and GPL grant you a right to change what ever and "delete the attribution"
<ZetaNeta> GPLv3 contains text concerning the Tivoization (GPL term)/Anti-DRM (CC term) which differs from how CC defines it
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<ZetaNeta> Above 2 statements are making this "bad"
* ZetaNeta had quite a experience in fighting for source codes for his routers (+4 routers are now under my full control), and even 2 web services.
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<Turl> tivoization relates to the device, you don't ship the readme there
<Turl> and by providing the source you are not imposing any technological measures to read it
<mripard> Turl: I'm pretty sure the FSF would ask you to use emacs :)
<Turl> anyway, I'm not a lawyer and to the best of my knowledge neither are you
<Turl> mripard: heh
<Turl> mripard: GNU cat :)
<oliv3r> i'm the one to ask about what
<oliv3r> (backreading now)
<Turl> oliv3r: does uboot have some magical function to get gpios?
<Turl> like SUNXI_PA(5)
<Turl> Seppoz wanted to know
<ZetaNeta> oliv3r, Hi
<ZetaNeta> You cant really mix GPL and CC
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<ZetaNeta> Its a well known fact
<ZetaNeta> README can contain parts from WIKI
<Turl> ZetaNeta: well if you fear lawsuits just drop a link
<ZetaNeta> I dont fear lawsuits
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<ZetaNeta> But mixing licences, may lead into a stream of software with broken licences and making everyone a criminal, which are not in jail just because Copyright owner is not interested in doing this stuff
<ZetaNeta> This is UNSUITABLE for companies
<Turl> then let the company lawyers worry? :)
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<ZetaNeta> As i know, CC misuses "based on" instead of "derivative work"
<ZetaNeta> And that may end up, in all images, ideas and a long list of etc being forced into CC restrictions
<ZetaNeta> Turl, I am a single-man-company here
<Turl> ZetaNeta: then hire a lawyer
<Turl> :)
<Turl> what wiki text did you want to put on a readme anyway?
<ZetaNeta> Turl, I am not a sadist. (I am, but i dont wanna torture innocent lawyers)
<Turl> hah
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<ZetaNeta> Turl, I mean that the inner documentation may be "influenced" by the wiki
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<ZetaNeta> And ANY, i say ANY influence, may put anything made by the author after that into being legally questionable
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<Turl> you're reading waaay to much into it imo
<ZetaNeta> Turl, There is no depth in legal area
<Turl> ZetaNeta: doctorow must be able to challenge most of the free code in the world then :)
<ZetaNeta> Its either yes, either no, either "Hey, their name seems similar to our trademark!"
<ZetaNeta> Turl, I cannot rewrite the wiki in GPL, because all i know is whats written in the wiki
<Turl> I hereby release the following artistic masterpiece under CC-BY: "The sun emits light"
<Turl> now I'm gonna sue you each time you say so, or anything related to it, and not mention me
<Turl> see how ridiculous it is? :)
<Turl> I gotta go, see you guys later
<ZetaNeta> And the second is that, even if there would be something else, or i would do it the "Poking method" (russian word) and figure it out my self, its quite easy to proof that i used the wiki to write it
<xma> Hi, I added another page to the wiki for a very different allwinner soc (probably sun3i compatible) - http://linux-sunxi.org/Navo_High_Resolution_1280_x_720_MP5_Decoder_Board
<ZetaNeta> Turl, Alot of people know that without you
<Turl> ZetaNeta: but you read my sentence
<Turl> now I can sue you :p
<ZetaNeta> No
<Turl> on a more serious note
<ZetaNeta> You released it under CC-BY
<Turl> the (c) doesn't protect the idea
<ZetaNeta> There is no clause about that
<xma> I am looking for some instructions on how to execute code from sdcard
<Turl> it protects the actual thing (text in this case)
<Turl> ZetaNeta: there's the clause you must provide attribution
<ZetaNeta> Turl, "Oh, not always young padawan"
<ZetaNeta> Turl, I provide it
<ZetaNeta> I read it, i provided attribution to my self :3
<Nyuutwo> Turl: I had priror knowledge of "sun fact" from physics textbook - how it counts in CC-BY?
<ZetaNeta> Nyuutwo, I said about "How"
<ZetaNeta> s/about/above
<ZetaNeta> "In no way"
<ZetaNeta> But wiki
<ZetaNeta> Linux-Sunxi wiki, is probably the only "original" info about it
<Nyuutwo> I know, it has knowledge that you probably didn't known before
<ZetaNeta> And you even violate CC you self. Where is the list of authors?
<ZetaNeta> "Where is this damn attribution?"
<ZetaNeta> If anyone "edited" the text of the other person, he should provide attribution as described in the licence
<Nyuutwo> so interestingly wikipedia can use CC beacuse knowledge was before, and on sunxi wiki it creates problems
<ZetaNeta> Nyuutwo, You didnt really get how it works
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<ZetaNeta> "Back to where i stoped". And all original text, can have their copyright holders just close their eyes on this
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<ZetaNeta> So basically... you can sue each other on this channel :3
<ZetaNeta> most of you
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<ZetaNeta> CC is clearly failed
<ZetaNeta> Any licence which does anything in relating to the original copyright holder, yet allowing changes, is clearly failed
* ZetaNeta is currently on #gnu and #cc discussing the question
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<Seppoz> sorry turl was afk
<Seppoz> so SUNXI_PA(5) exists?
<Seppoz> where is that macro defined
<ZetaNeta> From another side... the licence on the wiki can be "Invalid"
<Seppoz> is there a macro like gpio_to_irq(GTP_INT_PORT) aswell?
<ZetaNeta> But, that may be even more worse
<ZetaNeta> Its not toldn what exact CC licence it is
<ZetaNeta> But the link brings us over to CC BY 3.0
<ZetaNeta> Which makes it really questionable, if there is any licence, if there is, which one and etc....
<Seppoz> can anyone please help converting this into useful sunxi code please? http://pastebin.com/ryqEP8gJ
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<hawi> Hi
<hawi> as some of you may know, there is a basic support for emulation of Allwinner A10 in qemu git.
<hawi> I'm trying to understand if the emulation of irq controller is accurate.
<hawi> What is not clear to me is the behaviour of the pending register
<hawi> Turl pointed me to this thread https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/7/24/147
<hawi> which seems to imply that it's possible to clear bits of the register writing to it...
<hawi> but then the value is changed again to actual status of irqs from devices.
<hawi> Anyone can confirm this?
<Turl> mripard: ^
<hawi> And maybe explain this on related thread on qemu-devel ml :)
<Turl> ZetaNeta: the attribution is given on the history page
<Turl> ZetaNeta: and the license is clearly specified and linked on the bottom of all pages on the wiki
<Seppoz> turn where is SUNXI_PA(5) defined?
<Turl> hawi: have you tried mailing mripard?
<mripard> hawi: well, that's how I understood it at least
<Turl> Seppoz: that's just something I made up, but there probably is something similar on uboot
<ZetaNeta> Turl, Well, the attribution isnt clear. In most countries, you are required to give a name.
<ZetaNeta> And the licence is not clear. Lier!
<ZetaNeta> It links
<ZetaNeta> But as a text, it does not say what licence it is under
<hawi> mripard: ok, so the current implementation in qemu in quite correct
<mripard> I though I asked allwinner about this
<mripard> but I can't find the mail anymore
<hawi> because it allows to write to the register and clear bits
<Turl> Seppoz: also pio.c in sunxi-tools
<Turl> ZetaNeta: what's not clear? "Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution unless otherwise noted."
<hawi> the current implementation also uses a edge triggered interrupt from the timer
<hawi> this seems strange to me
<mripard> yep, to me too :)
<hawi> ok, so I will resubmit my patch to change it to level triggered . Thanks for the confirmation!
<Seppoz> Turl: gpio sunxi has most of those function but with a io struct used, so its gonna get a pain however you put it
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<Turl> Seppoz: what do you expect that function to return btw?
<Turl> ZetaNeta: the full text also makes it clear that using pseudonyms is a valid means of attribution
<Seppoz> its part of a cap. touch driver
<mripard> hawi: I don't have any info on the A10, but since it shares a lot of IPs with the A20, and that the A20 is level triggered, that looks very odd to me they would have changed all the interrupts triggers
<ZetaNeta> Turl, Wait... failed to read "Attribution" :P
<Turl> ZetaNeta: we're wasting our time discussing this
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<ZetaNeta> For a <del>second</del> minute (or longer) i thought that it just says Creative Commons
<hawi> mripard: I agree
<Turl> mripard: doesn't the A20 have GIC though?
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<mripard> Turl: yep, but it's just an IP to change
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<bhag> I am facing following error when compiling livesuit/usr/src/awdev-0.1/awusb.c:545:2: error: implicit declaration of function ‘dbg’ [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration] dbg("probe_aw: obuf address:%p", aw->obuf);
<bhag> can anyone help me on this issue
<bhag> ?
<rz2k> Seppoz: could you please use mailing list for the gpio help? since you have a source code that you want to run on your sunxi, ML is better place to discuss
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<bhag> @turl: thanks for help , its working
<bhag> facing following error when running livesuit.sh LiveSuite/LiveSuit/./bin/LiveSuit: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
<libv> mnemoc, oliv3r: according to arete74 seems like only wiki admins get to see the history of deleted pages, so i hope that my change fixes things now
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<Turl> libv: I believe that's how most wikis work, yep
<Turl> libv: so spam history and the like doesn't keep on being public
<bhag> Turl: i did it , i loaded the awusb.ko module but when running "sh livesuit.sh" its error in line 3
<Turl> bhag: try bash
<Turl> libv: we have a NDH'd sun3i now \ø/
<libv> yeah, i didn't know that i couldn't immediately find solid documentation on that
<libv> Turl: yeah, just saw it
<bhag> Turl: No luck
<Turl> bhag: what's on line 3? try to fix it
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<bhag> For_Linux64/LiveSuite/LiveSuit $ sh LiveSuit.sh You are running on Linux /media/bhag/Personal/Cubie/burn/cubie/Livesuit/LiveSuit_For_Linux64/LiveSuite/LiveSuit/./bin/LiveSuit: 3: /media/bhag/Personal/Cubie/burn/cubie/Livesuit/LiveSuit_For_Linux64/LiveSuite/LiveSuit/./bin/LiveSuit: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
<bhag> Turl: where ./bin/Livesuit is an non readable executable file
<mripard> gzamboni_: I have a pretty good DMA driver for the A31 now, I'll probably submit it on monday/tuesday, do you want to be in Cc?
<Turl> bhag: make it readable and see what's on line 3
<bhag> Turl: How to make it readable, its looks like a binary file
<Turl> ah ok
<Turl> bhag: can you paste LiveSuit.sh on pastebin.com?
<Turl> bhag: can you just run
<Turl> bhag: /media/bhag/Personal/Cubie/burn/cubie/Livesuit/LiveSuit_For_Linux64/LiveSuite/LiveSuit/bin/LiveSuit:
<Turl> without the trailing :, copy paste error
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<bhag> Turl: /media/bhag/Personal/Cubie/burn/cubie/Livesuit/LiveSuit_For_Linux64/LiveSuite/LiveSuit/bin/LiveSuit: cannot execute binary file
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<Turl> bhag: are you on an amd64 distro?
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<bhag> Turl : no
<Turl> bhag: then it won't work :) it's a 64 bit binary
<bhag> Turl : where can i get the 32 bit binary?
<randomblame> are there really still 32bit systems out there? I thought they were extinct
<Turl> bhag: I don't think there is one for linux
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<bhag> Turl: Thanks for your help
<Nyuutwo> randomblame: there are also x32 userspace
<randomblame> I know I was being a smartass
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