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<dialectic>
What's the standard practice for loading a project you're working on into slime?
<no-defun-allowed>
(ql:quickload :your-project), provided you wrote a your-project.asd file containing (defsystem your-project) and it's in a directory in ~/quicklisp/local-projects
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<dialectic>
What if I want to use a different directory? On my system I have all my software projects in a Source directory in my home.
<dialectic>
I tried pushing a pathname to asdf:*central-registry* but that didn't seem to work.
<no-defun-allowed>
If you symlink that into local-projects, it'll get picked up too.
<aeth>
symlinks don't work for CCL unless another implementation ran it first which puts it in some cache iirc
<no-defun-allowed>
Yeah, that's true.
<no-defun-allowed>
(The cache is system-index.txt by the way, each line is a pathname to a .asd file)
<dialectic>
Oh, you know what, I got asdf:*central-registry* to work. So in my .sbclrc I have (push (pathname (sb-posix:getcwd)) asdf:*central-registry*) and from the repl I can just load the local system.
<dialectic>
If someone objects to this...
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<dialectic>
Ok, reading into this more, I think I'm going to just push another source directory to ql:*local-project-directories*. That seems like the least heinous thing to do.
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<|3b|>
ql finds things through asdf, so any of the asdf configuration options should work (ql adds its own asdf configuration to find things in its local-projects and similar, so using that is reasonable)
<dialectic>
and if I do (ql:quickload "my-system"), it'll look specifically for my-system/my-system.adf, right? It won't go trawling every directory for my-system.adf?
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<dialectic>
Oh, it does match every file. Interesting. Oh well, good to know.
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<no-defun-allowed>
It'll cache the pathnames when you ql:register-local-projects.
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<pjb>
you don't have to wait for another implementation to do it, you can just call (ql:register-local-projects)
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<jeosol>
morning beach
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<jeosol>
I have a code design question. I have a CLOS object that defines a 3d model (with each cell as another CLOS object). For most application and in a session, there will be one such object. For small problems (few thousands grid cells), code
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<jeosol>
works okay, but when for a large case, I have been looking at, I can create the object, but when I start performing some operations on object, e.g., extract arrays, I get a heap exhausted error, each time. I using SBCL btw
<jeosol>
I think things crap up because I am copying arrays from the already large object. I am thinking if I redesign the code to work with some global object, e.g., *grid* define and just reference this everywhere, that could prevent me from making copies
<jeosol>
Any thoughts?
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<beach>
jeosol: Increase the size of the heap. It is quite small by default.
<beach>
jeosol: Also, there is no such thing as a "CLOS object". If there were, it would probably be the same thing as "any Common Lisp datum", making it pretty meaningless.
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<jeosol>
I apologize beach for using terms loosely
<beach>
Maybe you mean "standard object".
<jeosol>
haha. I meant an instance of a class
<beach>
Well, every Common Lisp datum is an instance of a class.
<beach>
Try (class-of 234) for instance.
<jeosol>
hahaha, ok I will refresh my CLOS skills to get my terms right
<jeosol>
#<BUILT-IN-CLASS COMMON-LISP:FIXNUM>
<beach>
The terms I think you mean are "standard object" and "standard class".
<jeosol>
that was the response
<beach>
Yes, so even 234 is an instance of some class.
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<solrize>
is this entirely a common lisp channel or is lisp in general on topic?
<beach>
The former.
<solrize>
thx
<beach>
See the topic.
<jeosol>
ok. what do I call the result of calling (make-instance 'some-class)
<beach>
solrize: ywlcm.
<jeosol>
thx beach. need to get my terms squared
<beach>
jeosol: The term is "standard object".
<jeosol>
so saying instance of a class is not correct?
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<LdBeth>
jeosol: u could imagine it is a database and all operations are done via the only one connection, so yes
<beach>
jeosol: It's correct, but since every Common Lisp datum is an instance of a class, the term is meaningless.
<LdBeth>
You can bind it to a global variable
<jeosol>
I understand you now beach
<jeosol>
LdBeth: your response was to my trying to use that one global variable right?
<LdBeth>
Oh, yes
<LdBeth>
But I mean it is a poor practice to use that gloat variable everywhere
<jeosol>
thanks. That's an option I was thinking.
<LdBeth>
Just came up with something wrap the access to that variable
<LdBeth>
*global
<jeosol>
I didn't want to use that option, which was why I asked to see if there are other alternatives
<LdBeth>
The point of make a wrapper is u can get that work first and maybe find something to replace that later
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<beach>
LdBeth: You can do M-x define-mode-abbrev<RET>u<RET>you<RET>
<LdBeth>
Ah, that’s a good point
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<solrize>
quoting is supposed to intern the symbol right? so 'xyz should always be EQ to 'xyz if both were literals like that? it doesn't work for me
<solrize>
i'm doing something dumb
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<solrize>
i used :xyz and that worked
<solrize>
i'm more used to scheme than common lisp so things keep not being where i expect
<beach>
solrize: It has nothing to do with quoting. As soon as the symbol is read, quoted or not, it is interned by the reader.
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<beach>
solrize: The form (eq 'xyz 'xyz) should definitely return true.
<solrize>
well i have 'xyz in two different places in the program
<beach>
The place in the program doesn't matter. But if the package is different, then you have two different symbols and they are no longer EQ.
<ck_>
then the symbols are probably interned in different packages
<solrize>
same file
<solrize>
i'm not using packages afaik
<solrize>
hmm
<ck_>
this question was asked very recently
<beach>
solrize: Whether it is in the same file or not doesn't matter. It matters whether the package is the same in both cases.
<solrize>
what would make the package change?
<beach>
solrize: You can not NOT use packages.
<beach>
There is always a current package.
<solrize>
well if i use some macro like defvar, does the current package change in its scope?
<beach>
No, the entire form is read in the package that is the value of *package*, unless you use explicit package prefixes.
<beach>
solrize: Why don't you show us the code instead.
<beach>
Your list that is mapped over is (((quote cat) "meowie" 7) ((quote cow) "mooie" 0))
<solrize>
hmm
<solrize>
yeah you're right
<beach>
So your species are (quote cat) and (quote cow). Not cat and cow.
<solrize>
yeah i see, thanks. i'm dumb sorry
<beach>
Glad I could help.
<solrize>
thanks
<beach>
Anytime.
<jackdaniel>
car cat cow and cdr
<jackdaniel>
four famous registers in lisp machines ,)
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<solrize>
why does subject line not mention clisp? i've been using it
<solrize>
should i switch ?
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<jackdaniel>
nobody cared to add it to the topic
<jackdaniel>
clisp is fine, but many people here will recommend you to use sbcl paired with emacs+slime
<LdBeth>
If you want interactive repl in terminal, clisp is the only choice
<solrize>
hmm ok i may switch then, i'm using clisp+slime
<solrize>
and it's kind of messy
<solrize>
whenever there's an error message etc
<solrize>
thanks
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<jackdaniel>
LdBeth: that's not true, basically all implementations run in terminal without problems
<jackdaniel>
moreover you may wrap them with rlwrap if you want to have simple gestures
<jackdaniel>
and there is linedit which adds autocompletion and similar
<LdBeth>
I can’t remember why I don’t use rlwrap, but linedit actually does not work well with certain terminal emulators
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<jackdaniel>
there is a long waay from "doesn't work for me" to "x is the only choice"
<LdBeth>
Actually GCL provides readline repl
<jackdaniel>
gcl as of 2019 is not a conforming common lisp implementation
<jackdaniel>
(it is cltl2)
<LdBeth>
Mostly ANSI
<jackdaniel>
define "mostly"
<solrize>
what happened between cltl2 and ansi?
<solrize>
even ansi is way old right ?
<LdBeth>
it has a configure script parameter to build it to pass nearly 99% upwards ANSI test
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<jackdaniel>
LdBeth: can I load quicklisp with it and quickload alexandria? if not, then spreading such information is not helpful
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<beach>
solrize: It is not about age.
<jackdaniel>
solrize: ansi extends what is described in cltl2 in many ways
<beach>
It also did not include some of the features in CLtL2.
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<LdBeth>
jackdaniel: I don’t see why it can’t
<jackdaniel>
one reason might be because it is not ansi common lisp
<jackdaniel>
i.e last time I've checked fdefinition was not defined in gcl
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<jmercouris>
I have a simple (format t "something") within a loop but it is not printing until the loop is over
<jmercouris>
is there a way to force output?
<no-defun-allowed>
(finish-output)
<jackdaniel>
that
<jackdaniel>
note, that you don't want to use force-output
<jackdaniel>
finish-output flushes the buffers, force-output, if it can't do it immedietely may drop them
<jmercouris>
ok, noted thank you
<LdBeth>
jackdaniel: that is probably because that copy of GCL is not compiled with -ansi flag. The default is compile CLtL1 version which is sufficient for Maxima and Axiom to run.
<jackdaniel>
I'm sure I've compiled it with ansi flag, because I've ensured that metering system works on it
<jackdaniel>
"probability" and "not seeing why something wouldn't" are not good information source
<LdBeth>
That’s my fault, because I never get the latest GCL to compile on my mac and the only info is from the project homage and source
<LdBeth>
But what I want going to say it user defined functions/macros are not auto completed in GCL’s deadline repl
<LdBeth>
Only a set of predefined symbols can be auto completed
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<ck_>
In SBCL, is there any way to set environment variables? I only see posix-getenv, nothing to set them
<jackdaniel>
sb-posix:setenv
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<ck_>
Thank you! I wonder why that isn't in the manual.
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<jackdaniel>
I usually use #'apropos to look up unknown functionality I expect to be there
<jackdaniel>
i.e (apropos 'env)
<ck_>
In this case, because the reader is called sb-ext:posix-getenv, I said 'sb-ext:posix-set' and leaned on the tab key
<ck_>
when that failed I looked at the manual, in which there is no mention of a setenv. Then I asked here.
<ck_>
but, I gracefully accept your rebuke :)
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<dtw>
There _could_ be (setf (posix-getenv ..) ...) so it's useful to look for seft'able version too.
<dtw>
(But there isn't for posix-getenv.)
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<Xach>
hmm
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<ck_>
hmm?
<NickBusey>
hmm.
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<dlowe>
hmm!
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hmm~
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<aeth>
:hmm
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¿hmm
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|hmm|
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<hmm>
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<no-defun-allowed>
(find-noise 'hmm)
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<edgar-rft>
noise is everywhere, it's not hard to find :-)
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