<sicelo>
Looks like we're about to get a new customer for Leste/N900 :-)
<parazyd>
hm?
<xmn>
sicelo ? who's the new customer? or did I miss something? :)
<sicelo>
I meant ... someone wants to try out Leste on their N900. They're currently in #maemo
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<Pali>
now I know why Nokia did not release source code of flasher-3.5 and neither of fiasco-gen application...
<Pali>
whole FIASCO image format is just encapsulation of BB5 packets
<Pali>
and whole BB5 is (or was) secret of Nokia
<parazyd>
haha
<Pali>
lot of header bytes from FIASCO images can be found on different gsm forums about BB5 hacking
<Pali>
as diagnostic output from their (re)flashing BB5 tools
<parazyd>
Why is it secret?
<parazyd>
I mean, what could be done with those?
<xmn>
sicelo ah ... lol. cool I though some love from a hw manufacturer :P
<Pali>
IIRC whole BB5 was secret because it implementent critical parts of "phone locking" etc
<parazyd>
I see
<Pali>
BB5 was that broadband modem part of Nokia phones
<Pali>
so Nokia wanted to kept it secret so other manufactures would not use their intelectual property...
<xmn>
makes sense
<thejsa>
xmn: haha, unfortunately not unless you consider a pi zero hacked into and wired up to the buttons of an old calculator 'hardware manufacturing'... but hi!
<Pali>
also today, all information about existing broadband modems is secret
<parazyd>
Hi thejsa!
<parazyd>
Pali: True
<parazyd>
It often bites us
<parazyd>
Like, the whole SUPL stuff is a black box
<xmn>
lol thejsa
<Pali>
funny part is that also mmc fiasco image contains bb5 information that device is NAND :D
<Pali>
probably even developers of fiasco-gen in Nokia did not know all bits in that format and just use hardcoded values used for other images (which are written to nand)
<parazyd>
>The system is designed to prevent unlocking of certain key capabilities of the handsets (such as usable network or installation of unsigned operating system[1]), which has not been approved by Nokia or the network
<Entitlement>
parazyd - [ Base Band 5 - Wikipedia ]
<Pali>
yes, that it is!
<parazyd>
I should get in touch with this Dejan
<parazyd>
:D
<Pali>
in my opinion, this BB5 chip is also some kind of DSP where GSM/2G/3G (at that time) was implemented
<Pali>
so they have to keep everything about it in secret
<parazyd>
DSP meaning audio?
<Pali>
DSP - digital signal processor
<xmn>
maybe gov requirements too
<Pali>
DSP it is not used only for audio... IIRC all GSM implementations are running on DSP
<Pali>
or were running at that time
<parazyd>
*nod*
<parazyd>
Right, I forget it's also related to GPRS/3G
<Pali>
I would like to ask, has somebody in hands N8x0 or 770?
<parazyd>
Not me, but there were some people here IIRC
<parazyd>
Or in #maemo
<Pali>
now when I'm updating 0xFFFF I would like to see "kernel" header dumps also from N8x0 or 770
<Pali>
according to old documentation in 0xFFFF project from pancake these devices had different header
<sicelo>
buZz: ^ I think you're a culprit :-)
<buZz>
waaaat
<buZz>
Pali: i have 700, 800 and 810 here
<buZz>
eh 770*
<sicelo>
There we are :-)
<buZz>
only 810 is charged
<Pali>
[02.05] [15:03:52] <Pali> it can be read (dumped to file header.bin) by following command on N8x0/770 device: nanddump --omitoob -s 0 -l 2048 -f header.bin /dev/mtd2
<buZz>
running it -on- n810?
<buZz>
eh
<buZz>
not sure what you want me to do :P its running ancient maemo
<Pali>
also on old maemo there was nanddump command
<Pali>
or at that time was available in Extras somewhere...
<Pali>
I do not know if it was pre-installed or not, so check if you have somehere in PATH it...
<buZz>
i dont even have root on it :)
<buZz>
i dont see nanddump in path of non-root
<Pali>
ah, without root it is not possible to access /dev/mtd2
<xmn>
is it hard to get root on the old devices?
<sicelo>
It's not preinstalled (nanddump). My other n900 didn't have it yesterday
<sicelo>
xmn: no :-)
<parazyd>
PSA; GPS stuff is all in main now
<xmn>
ic
<parazyd>
You can get it with: apt install hildon-connectivity-location
<xmn>
was so close to getting the n810, but waited for the n900 instead.
<parazyd>
And there is an app "gpsrecorder" in HAM
<Wizzup>
the status applet is still lacking, jfyi
<buZz>
the n810 is a much nicer formfactor than n900
<buZz>
imho
<buZz>
but, i dont really use any of these devices, they're just artifacts
<xmn>
yeah it was nice device. And the lovely kickstand was amazing :)
<xmn>
I still daily drive my n900
<xmn>
but its on its last leg-ish. But have a PinePhone to replace it till a good keyboard phone come out that can support maemo-leste and others OS I want
<buZz>
doubt any good software will ever get released for it, but ok
<buZz>
parazyd: yeah he doesnt believe in vaccins
<parazyd>
lol
<parazyd>
This looks a lot like the Pinephone keyboard
<xmn>
hey to each there own
<buZz>
the sliding mechanism looks cool
<buZz>
but beside that i saw nothing noteworthy
<parazyd>
To me the N950 and the fxtec slides are the most satisfying
<parazyd>
*SNAP*
<xmn>
I like the the look of the plant new device. But here to many neg about support
<xmn>
meaning looking at the forums you'll find some ppl complaining about lack of updates for the previous models
<buZz>
yep
<xmn>
which is too bad, since it look like a interesting design
<xmn>
I'll wait for the ginormous keyboard battery case for the Pinephone ... lol
<xmn>
then I'll have a n900 replacement ... haha
<thejsa>
haha yeah that sounds ace
<bencoh>
the astro seems nice, if not for the (almost universal) modem-on-soc design
<xmn>
yup
<bencoh>
it's exactly the kind of thinkg I'd have wanted back 10 years ago when I wanted to carry along a pocket computer
<xmn>
They should team up with pine or someone and make an open version of it. Now that more mobile foss sw exist in a working state ... including maemo-leste
<xmn>
the n900 is actually a great size for carrying around. I never once worried about it breaking in my pocket
<bencoh>
yeah, me neither
<bencoh>
it's just not powerful enough, apart from that it's great
<buZz>
droid4 is practically ideal
<buZz>
nice sized keyboard, cheap to replace once ded
<buZz>
fast enough to run blender
<thejsa>
n900 feels kind of reassuringly chunky
<bencoh>
yeah, now that battery last more than a day, droid4 is a best bet these days
<xmn>
lol, yeah
<xmn>
the droid makes sense. But I just don't like the look and verizon logo.
<xmn>
dumb reasons, I guess
<Wizzup>
you can make a diff case
<buZz>
yeah twodays on wifi is not such a stretch for droid4, even on ancient batteries
<xmn>
nice
<sicelo>
I still have hope that N900 idling will also improve
<Wizzup>
I'm sure it will
<Wizzup>
worst case we have to port the old pvr userspace
<Wizzup>
kernelspace*
<xmn>
how is it now?
<sicelo>
power management on n900 with leste? Bad
<xmn>
ah, too bad. Since the community maeo get really great battery for me.
<Wizzup>
focus: window 0x1800002, revert to PointerRoot
<Wizzup>
looks like 0x1800002 gets all the events but doesn't want any
<Wizzup>
but maybe I am reading the masks wrong
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<Wizzup>
Yeah, I think that means that the window that accepts events doesn't actually have focus?
<Wizzup>
so that might be specific to fullscreen only
<Wizzup>
ok
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<thejsa>
hey there :) just flashed the latest Leste image onto an SD card for my N900 and got it booting which is awesome, though after the boot log messages it heads to a black screen (with LCD backlight) — is this just a bit wobbly generally?
<thejsa>
oh hmm I got a somewhat broken slide to unlock screen pressing the power button after the screen goes auto off
<Wizzup>
you're probably the first to try todays image
<Wizzup>
do you have a pin in there?
<Wizzup>
and/or sim
<thejsa>
no SIM; I had a custom PIN set in fremantle, though I rebooted back into fremantle, disabled auto lock, and changed the code to 12345 for good measure
<thejsa>
seems to persist even with that done, though I don’t totally understand how the device lock code works admittedly
<Wizzup>
I think the lock code should work now, so that can't be it
<Entitlement>
Wizzup - [ N900 20201227 image is not usable: black screen, buggy lock screen · Issue #497 ... ]
<thejsa>
ah yeah, I saw that when I did a quick search to see if this was a known bug (hence having adjusted the pin settings already)
<Wizzup>
check
<Wizzup>
I'd have to try it on my n900
<Wizzup>
(won't happen tonight)
<thejsa>
I can try the previous image and see how that goes
<Wizzup>
sounds like a good i dea
<thejsa>
update- 20210425 seems to boot fine, takes a minute or so to show the interface after boot logs disappear but otherwise very snappy and responsive (nice!)
<Wizzup>
ok, sounds like X is broken then
<Wizzup>
in lates timage
<parazyd>
Fun
<parazyd>
It's too late for me to check it today
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<diejuse>
hello
<Wizzup>
hi
* Wizzup
going to sleep soon, so if you have a question :)
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<diejuse>
Yes, I am a question
<diejuse>
*have
<diejuse>
I am trying to chroot Maemo Leste on my Android phone
<diejuse>
I would like to get some help
<Wizzup>
Is the intention to run the full UI?\
<Wizzup>
I need to sleep now, but stick around :)
<diejuse>
Yes, that is my intention
<diejuse>
I have downloaded arm64 image
<diejuse>
arm64-generic image
<diejuse>
I have to extract in /data/local/leste on my phone
<diejuse>
I have got chroot succefully but I have problems with "apt update" and I don't know to launch Hildon Desktop
<diejuse>
I want to export display to XSDL XServer or VNC viewer