#nmigen on 2021-02-08 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:46 <mwk> Lofty: https://twitter.com/maker_al/status/1357777601696178178

00:46 <mwk> [just learned of it as well]

00:47 <mwk> apparently filed in May 2020, long after wq has... quit

00:51 <mwk> it seems that filing trademarks for things that don't belong to them is the favorite pastime for more than one CEO

01:07 * Lofty screams into the void

01:15 <mithro> whitequark: I know you have previously decided that a rebrand of nmigen didn't have a good return on investment, but if you *do* decide that it is needed you can count on my help with marketing and similar efforts.

01:16 <mithro> Have people seen https://github.com/KastnerRG/pp4fpgas + http://kastner.ucsd.edu/hlsbook/ before?

01:22 <d1b2> <edbordin> mwk: indeed...seems to be a popular shady tactic

01:23 <d1b2> <TiltMeSenpai> would it be possible to write a license clause prohibiting anyone from trademarking the project away?

01:23 <d1b2> <TiltMeSenpai> for future licenses

01:24 <mwk> not really

01:24 <d1b2> <edbordin> unfortunately the best defence is probably just to trademark it first -_-

01:24 <mwk> for one, license doesn't bind you if you don't actually use the software in question

01:24 <d1b2> <edbordin> (but IANAL)

01:24 <mwk> and probably not for a load of other reasons

01:26 <awygle> yeah licenses affect copyright, not trademark, it's a whole other thing (in the US)

01:29 <mithro> Trademarks (at least in western countries) are more around preventing "consumer confusion" and other forms of misrepresentation

01:29 <mithro> Trademarks also tend to be "enforce or lose it" type thing too

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01:52 <d1b2> <TiltMeSenpai> ugh dealing with abusive/abusers of IP laws is such...

01:53 <d1b2> <TiltMeSenpai> I don't have a way to express my feelings towards it other than <internalized screaming>

01:53 <d1b2> <Darius> externalised screaming is more therapeutic though

01:55 <agg> well, the top ten contributors' github avatars are immortalised forever in the USPTO database: https://uspto.report/TM/88905092/SPE20200903194936/

01:56 <modwizcode> I'm not sure why but I find that amusing

02:01 <d1b2> <Darius> heh

02:34 <cr1901_modern> Oh dear... I'm in that database ._.

02:48 <TD-Linux> d1b2, generally just using a name publicly is enough to prevent it from being trademarked. of course preemptively trademarking it first means that it'll show up in the db when the office searches for it which is useful

02:49 <sorear> d1b2 is the discord bridge

02:49 <agg> it should respond to highlights of its name with a reminder :p

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03:19 <balrog> mithro: yeah, and considering sb0's previous statements on twitter and elsewhere it doesn't seem like he'd have a problem with sending nastygrams to github and domain registrars regarding this name

03:19 <balrog> (hopefully I'm mistaken about that)

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08:18 <d1b2> <mardab> Well, can you estimate by hand what can be done with a certain number of LUTs?

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17:08 <awygle> i thought i was joking about CatHDL/nyanmigen

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